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So I've been looking through the new Khorne battletome (which is cool, btw), and I can't seem to find a way to fit either of the Bloodbound super battalions into a 2500 point list. Basically, the book contains 3 super battalions, one of which (Bloodbound Warhorde) can't be used in Matched Play at all due to requiring more the 8 Leaders. The other two are the Goretide and the Skullfiend Tribe. Here are the basic requirements and (minimum points costs) for each battalion:

The Goretide (40):

1 Mighty Lord of Khorne (140)
1 Slaughterborn battalion (must contain 3 units of Blood Warriors) (660)

may also contain

0-1 Gorechosen battalion (560)

3-7 warscroll battalions chosen in any combination from the following list: Bloodbound Warband (830), Bloodforged (580), Brass Stampede (560), Dark Feast (490), Gore Pilgrims (570), Skulltake (560), Red Headsman (520)

Any number of additional Khorne Bloodbound units or warscroll battallions

The Skullfiend Tribe (20)

1 Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut (140)
1 Skulltake battalion (must contain 3 units of Skullreapers) (700)

may also contain

0-1 Gorechosen battalion (560)

3-7 warscroll battalions chosen in any combination from the following list: Bloodbound Warband (830), Bloodforged (580), Brass Stampede (560), Dark Feast (490), Gore Pilgrims (570), Slaughterborn (460), Skulltake (560), Red Headsman (520)

Any number of additional Khorne Bloodbound units or warscroll battallions

I won't list the bonuses here since they're irrelevant to my issue. Basically, I've tried several combinations of 3 battalions for each super battalion, but always seem to end up at a minimum 60 points over the 2500 point limit, or running into the issue of needing multiple Bloodstokers or Bloodsecrators, which are starter-only and would need to be purchased off eBay for a ridiculous markup or converted. Has anyone found a way to use either of these in Matched Play, or are they going to be relegated to Open/Narrative play like the Bloodbound Warhorde? I'd really like to run a Goretide since I like the rules better, but I'd settle for the Skullfiend Tribe since I based my paint scheme on that army anyway. I'm just trying to find the path of least resistance here.

Edited to add points values

There are some of the super battalions that are just ridiculous both point wise and dollar wise. Like the Extremis Chamber. its Roughly 4500 points and about $1100 for the whole formation. I feel these battalions are meant to be the showcase you put on a shelf and aspire to own or just pull out for the holiday party at the FLGS.

Maybe my maths is out, but surely the Goretide is fieldable?

It is (40 + 140 + 660 + 1470) = 2,310. Obviously that assumes 3 Dark Feast formations but the 190 remaining could be used to mix and match your battalions.

Or is there something I am missing?

mhsellwood wrote:
Maybe my maths is out, but surely the Goretide is fieldable?

It is (40 + 140 + 660 + 1470) = 2,310. Obviously that assumes 3 Dark Feast formations but the 190 remaining could be used to mix and match your battalions.

Or is there something I am missing?

That's the cheapest way to do it points-wise, but it would require 3 Bloodstokers, which are exclusive to the starter set. Most of the points-efficient ways of building these battalions have that issue. You can find Bloodstokers and Bloodsecrators on eBay and such, but they're generally heavily marked up. I don't like paying $40 for a single model if I don't have to. That would also be very much a one-trick pony with very little survivability. Even if you gave each Slaughterpriest the Brazen Flesh blessing, you'd only have 3 units with a 5+ save and while most of the rest of your army is running at a 6+.

 EnTyme wrote:

mhsellwood wrote:
Maybe my maths is out, but surely the Goretide is fieldable?

It is (40 + 140 + 660 + 1470) = 2,310. Obviously that assumes 3 Dark Feast formations but the 190 remaining could be used to mix and match your battalions.

Or is there something I am missing?

That's the cheapest way to do it points-wise, but it would require 3 Bloodstokers, which are exclusive to the starter set. Most of the points-efficient ways of building these battalions have that issue. You can find Bloodstokers and Bloodsecrators on eBay and such, but they're generally heavily marked up. I don't like paying $40 for a single model if I don't have to. That would also be very much a one-trick pony with very little survivability. Even if you gave each Slaughterpriest the Brazen Flesh blessing, you'd only have 3 units with a 5+ save and while most of the rest of your army is running at a 6+.

OK, but the question of whether you can get a tournament winning army without getting any particular models is entirely seperate from the question of whether the super battalion is fieldable.

You could go the following:

Mighty Lord + Slaughterborn (basic requirements)
Dark Feast
Skulltake
Brass Stampede

This means the vast majority of your army is 4+ saves, and has pretty good mortal wound output. You do need 2 Bloodstokers, but I am sure if you converted a basic warrior to be obviously a bloodstoker that you would be able to get away with it.

mhsellwood wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

mhsellwood wrote:
Maybe my maths is out, but surely the Goretide is fieldable?

It is (40 + 140 + 660 + 1470) = 2,310. Obviously that assumes 3 Dark Feast formations but the 190 remaining could be used to mix and match your battalions.

Or is there something I am missing?

That's the cheapest way to do it points-wise, but it would require 3 Bloodstokers, which are exclusive to the starter set. Most of the points-efficient ways of building these battalions have that issue. You can find Bloodstokers and Bloodsecrators on eBay and such, but they're generally heavily marked up. I don't like paying $40 for a single model if I don't have to. That would also be very much a one-trick pony with very little survivability. Even if you gave each Slaughterpriest the Brazen Flesh blessing, you'd only have 3 units with a 5+ save and while most of the rest of your army is running at a 6+.

OK, but the question of whether you can get a tournament winning army without getting any particular models is entirely seperate from the question of whether the super battalion is fieldable.

You could go the following:

Mighty Lord + Slaughterborn (basic requirements)
Dark Feast
Skulltake
Brass Stampede

This means the vast majority of your army is 4+ saves, and has pretty good mortal wound output. You do need 2 Bloodstokers, but I am sure if you converted a basic warrior to be obviously a bloodstoker that you would be able to get away with it.

Hmm. That could actually work. I'll have to double-check my math on the points, though. I'm fairly certain I tried that combination on Scrollbuilder last night, and it was over the limit. Could also be that Scrollbuilder's point costs aren't completely accurate yet. I also redid the math on a combination I tried last night (Dark Feast, Bloodforged, and Gore Pilgrims) and came in under the cap. I'll have to look closer at the battletome when I get home.

Luckily, it’s only « you MAY » take the 3-7 bataillion, or gorechosen, or any other warscroll bataillon and unit. I think it’s bad writing, since it’s very different of the stormcast/tzeentch similar bataillon. You can totally take the MLOK, the slaughterborn, and any unit you want for your 2000 pts goretide.

ledha wrote:
Luckily, it’s only « you MAY » take the 3-7 bataillion, or gorechosen, or any other warscroll bataillon and unit. I think it’s bad writing, since it’s very different of the stormcast/tzeentch similar bataillon. You can totally take the MLOK, the slaughterborn, and any unit you want for your 2000 pts goretide.

I've read it the same way, you just cannot add the BoK battalions to the Goretide, otherwise you would have to satisfy the 3-7 restriction.

You could still add battalions to your army alongside the Goretide, but they cannot be part of the Goretide.

Nevertheless, there are a lot of discussions about this right now.

ledha wrote:
Luckily, it’s only « you MAY » take the 3-7 bataillion, or gorechosen, or any other warscroll bataillon and unit. I think it’s bad writing, since it’s very different of the stormcast/tzeentch similar bataillon. You can totally take the MLOK, the slaughterborn, and any unit you want for your 2000 pts goretide.

I never looked at it that way, but you're right. I do dislike that it's so different from the Tzeentch battalions thought. I've definitely been looking at this all wrong.

ledha wrote:
Luckily, it’s only « you MAY » take the 3-7 bataillion, or gorechosen, or any other warscroll bataillon and unit. I think it’s bad writing, since it’s very different of the stormcast/tzeentch similar bataillon. You can totally take the MLOK, the slaughterborn, and any unit you want for your 2000 pts goretide.

It says though that, "You may take the following," not, "You may take ANY of the following." Which leads me to believe you have to take the 3-7 battalions if you want to add any additional units. That's just how I read it and I'm absolutely happy to be wrong haha

Interesting observation. I'll may have to ask the AoS Facebook page and hope it gets added to an FAQ.

 Titanbeard wrote:
There are some of the super battalions that are just ridiculous both point wise and dollar wise. Like the Extremis Chamber. its Roughly 4500 points and about $1100 for the whole formation. I feel these battalions are meant to be the showcase you put on a shelf and aspire to own or just pull out for the holiday party at the FLGS.

This is how I see it as well.