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Someone please clarify some points for me:

I've been playing a dark angels player who might be a bit lose on the rules, if you know what i mean. These are some of his accusations:

1. Bastonial court can get a 2++ save on his ion shields.

2. Grav weapons can re-roll fail to wound not only against vehicles, but bikes and marines. I downloaded the DA codex, so this one is pretty much no brainier, only against vehicles right?

3. He can bring one grav cannon in each tactical squad of 5 marines in LION’S BLADE STRIKE FORCE. Also he didn't bring veteran squads.................. Not sure about this one. I think he brought 6 tactical squads with razorbacks with a grav cannon in each of the 5 man squads, 2 devastator squads with 2 grav cannons, a unit of scouts, a dreadnought and one unit with two Psychers of some sort. One of them was the guy from DV with the two handed power sword. we played 1850 pts.

4. Overwatch on full ballistic skill *EDITED


any comments appreciated, thank you

1- I will have to look at that one, because I don't have my Codex nearby.

2- If he has a grav-Amp, he does re-roll if I'm not mistaken.

3- Not sure, but I'd check his math on this one. And the structure of this Strike Force.

4- Uh... not sure how he got this.

Lessons for you here:

-If you aren't sure about the rule, ask to see it.

-Dark Angel players are just larval Tau/Eldar players, many times.

The Lion's Blade Strike force should give full ballistic skill overwatch. He's not cheating there.

1-Probably total bull,.

2-That's accurate. Grav is ridiculous.

3-That's accurate. They get one special or heavy weapon, and Grav is a heavy weapon.

4-That's the perk of a Lion's Blade. It's crazy, but hey. It's legit.

I'm more concerned with how he got a Baronial Court and a Lion's Blade strike force on the table at 1850.

I'm not doing the math on this one, but that don't seem right.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm more concerned with how he got a Baronial Court and a Lion's Blade strike force on the table at 1850.

I'm not doing the math on this one, but that don't seem right.

sry, i was not clear about that. these were two different games. one with the baronial court another with the lion cheese strike force

Baronial Court is 3 knights minimum, right?

That's 975 points right there, assuming Gallants with no upgrades.

90-Company Master or Chaplain
70-5 Man Tactical
70-5 Man Tactical
70-5 Man Tactical
70-5 Man Assault
70-5 Man Devastator
440

55-5 Man Scouts as an auxiliary

That's 1470 for a total barebones Lion's Blade plus Baronial Court.

Oh, wait, he brought TWO Battle Demi Companies?

Double that, except for the scouts.

880+55+975=1910

That's before literally ANY upgrades.

Your friend is cheating.

Edit: Oh, two different games? Nah, he's probably fine on the points, at least, then.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/717352.page

Previous discussion on the 2+ Ion Shield save which the OP took part in.

1. not legal.
2-4. legal.

What page in de codex does it say he can reroll to wound on everyhing? all i found was this;

When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result.

Grav weapons with an amplifier can re-roll failed to-wound rolls, check the BRB

 killerpenguin wrote:
What page in de codex does it say he can reroll to wound on everyhing? all i found was this;

When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result.

The wargear in question is a "Grav-amp", available to Space Marines, Blood Angels and Dark Angels, but only on the Grav Cannons, not ordinary Grav Guns. It's on page 152 of the Dark Angels codex (not sure on page references in other books), it's not in the main rulebook.

 Quanar wrote:

 killerpenguin wrote:
What page in de codex does it say he can reroll to wound on everyhing? all i found was this;

When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result.

The wargear in question is a "Grav-amp", available to Space Marines, Blood Angels and Dark Angels, but only on the Grav Cannons, not ordinary Grav Guns. It's on page 152 of the Dark Angels codex (not sure on page references in other books), it's not in the main rulebook.

I'm aware of that, the DA codex says what i just wrote.

GRAV-AMP
The grav-amp is a wonder of arche otech that focusses and
strengthens the field of the bearer’s grav-weapons.

When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its
effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result.

So i assume my opponent was cheating when he rolled to hit with his grav cannon against all my units.

When rolling to wound, they may reroll. It's legit.

You cannot reroll to-hits with a Grav amp, that is correct.

Going through the rules:

1) No idea, unfortunately.

2) Grav Weapons, when paired with a Grav-Amp (so only on grav-cannons), can reroll Wounds/damage against EVERYTHING. As you quote the rule, it says "When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result." So, you point out the section where is says so even in your own quote. It can be used both to Wound a normal model, and also on vehicles.
Not to hit, but to damage the hit target.
Welcome to grav.

3) Grav weapons are just like any special or heavy weapon for a Tactical Squad. A Tactical Squad can have one special or heavy per five men, so a five man squad can have practically any special or heavy. In the list, of the heavy weapon options is a grav cannon. It's totally legit.

4) That's the bonus the Lion's Blade grants. Again, legit.

 JNAProductions wrote:
When rolling to wound, they may reroll. It's legit.

You're right i read it all wrong. I'm convinced those are the best ranged weaponry in the game.

 killerpenguin wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
When rolling to wound, they may reroll. It's legit.

You're right i read it all wrong. I'm convinced those are the best ranged weaponry in the game.

There's a reason that grav cannons are the meta-weapon of choice for MSU Tactical Squads.

Grav pistols are worthless, as are most special pistols, and grav guns are only good on rapid units with Relentless (bikers and Biker command squads), but grav cannons, seeing as they natively come with grav-amps, and have a good ROF even when moving, make them a great weapon for Devastators and Tacticals.
They're better than plasma cannons, heavy bolters and missile launchers in every way, have more shots than lascannons, and are only beaten by melta weapons in vehicle killing. Where every other weapon tends to be specialised, the grav-cannon kills everything well, except light armoured targets, which bolters can kill easily enough.

Grav may not be completely amazing, but the grav cannon is the best heavy weapon by a mile.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 killerpenguin wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
When rolling to wound, they may reroll. It's legit.

the grav-cannon kills everything well, except light armoured targets, which bolters can kill easily enough.

my thoughts exactly.

I played against my DA friend as you guys probably noticed with all my whining. He played Lion's blade strike force with razorback and grav cannon spam. He just camped on the tableedge and spammed with lascannon and forced me to get in close only to kill me with all his grav cannons. So i guess the only way not to die from it is to bring 3 units of havocs and some lascannons and do the exact same thing he does to stand a chance. Because going inside 24" is a death sentence.

1. I already tried getting a 2++ save on my knights once, no success in getting there yet. So no, I don't think it is possible for a Knight to get a 2++.

2 to 4 are all legit and horrible, horrible things to bring in a friendly match.

I don't know what kind of matches you and your friend(?), but if he takes these kind of weaponry in friendly games then it will never be "friendly" games.
Me and my friends mostly play semi-comp so that the games are still pretty hard, but their is room to tinker around with your lists. Like going complete close combat Admech.

Grav Cannon's are a pain, but they are still salvo weapons, so unless your friend got them on some sort of relentless platform he will never be able to get those 5 shots and the 24'' is pretty easy to avoid, forcing him to move around. Don't get me wrong, grav-cannons are one of the best weapons in the game atm, but they only work in certain combinations like the Skyhammer formation (which gives devastators relentless) to be preform on their best.

 Arlen wrote:
1. I already tried getting a 2++ save on my knights once, no success in getting there yet. So no, I don't think it is possible for a Knight to get a 2++.

2 to 4 are all legit and horrible, horrible things to bring in a friendly match.

I don't know what kind of matches you and your friend(?), but if he takes these kind of weaponry in friendly games then it will never be "friendly" games.
Me and my friends mostly play semi-comp so that the games are still pretty hard, but their is room to tinker around with your lists. Like going complete close combat Admech.

Grav Cannon's are a pain, but they are still salvo weapons, so unless your friend got them on some sort of relentless platform he will never be able to get those 5 shots and the 24'' is pretty easy to avoid, forcing him to move around. Don't get me wrong, grav-cannons are one of the best weapons in the game atm, but they only work in certain combinations like the Skyhammer formation (which gives devastators relentless) to be preform on their best.

Gerantius can get a 2++ on his front arc, I think, if taken in the formation that boosts your front art shield. That's about it, though.

 killerpenguin wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 killerpenguin wrote:
What page in de codex does it say he can reroll to wound on everyhing? all i found was this;

When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result.

The wargear in question is a "Grav-amp", available to Space Marines, Blood Angels and Dark Angels, but only on the Grav Cannons, not ordinary Grav Guns. It's on page 152 of the Dark Angels codex (not sure on page references in other books), it's not in the main rulebook.

I'm aware of that, the DA codex says what i just wrote.

GRAV-AMP
The grav-amp is a wonder of arche otech that focusses and
strengthens the field of the bearer’s grav-weapons.

When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its
effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result.

So i assume my opponent was cheating when he rolled to hit with his grav cannon against all my units.

He could be getting re-roll to hit by casting prescience on a unit with his Psyker. He can also take The Eye of the Unseen relic on the Libby or something that grants preferred enemy so re-rolling 1's. Wasn't sure if he was re-rolling to hit and wounds but throwing this out there just in case.