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So, there's all sorts of news about 8th Edition of Warhammer 40k and with it lots of things to discuss. What I would like to do here is get a read on what 40k players think about one of the more fundamental changes likely heading our way. Simplification.

I found a "fan made" unit list for a Space Marine Tactical Squad on the internet and saw that it looked very much like what 8th Edition would be once it gets here. It was clearly designed based on rumors released thus far but it serves very well as a harbinger of things to come.

What do you guys think? Is this a welcome change or something to be feared and pilloried as it was when Age of Sigmar hit? Also, it's not known if points will be in the basic edition or if we'll have to wait for a General's Handbook to be published.

Vote and post your thoughts.

As an AoS player (used to be 40k player too, but since Angels of Death I've come to loathe the rules for 7th) I think that it shouldn't be the way to go for 40k.

40k should have it's own way of working out things. It could borrow things from AoS? Of course! Within measure.

Not the stats I would go fo but all the basic concepts are fine.

Looking at the new Sky-Dwaves will probably give a better example as they even include transports and various weapon options.

I'm hoping that weapon stats will remain (mostly) as they are now.
Obviously AP will be replaced by "rend"
Bringing back the Damage stat is definitely good.

The current 40K unit statline only really needs Movement added to it.

Interesting, it makes sense that heavy weapons would be more accurate since the user would have to be stationary and take careful aim. Also, D3 damage makes a lot of sense to me

Lord Kragan wrote:
As an AoS player (used to be 40k player too, but since Angels of Death I've come to loathe the rules for 7th) I think that it shouldn't be the way to go for 40k.

40k should have it's own way of working out things. It could borrow things from AoS? Of course! Within measure.

I'm with this guy, there's some things in AoS that are just brilliant, there's some things that are brilliant but I still don't want to see them in 40k.

Some aspects of Sigmar I think would improve 40K imeasurably, but the system shouldn't be ported over wholesale. Biggest thing I don't want to see is the fixed to-wound roll, Sigmar comes down to putting the pointy end into the squishy bit so fixed to-wound rolls work within that system but thermatically just doesn't fit for 40K at all.

No vote since "bits and pieces" wasn't an option.

I'm a great Age of Sigmar fan and I voted no.

Why? Because yes, many of 40k problems can be solved with the way AoS do his thing, like fixed to wound and to hit rolls.
But the point is... why should it? I don't want AoS and AoS40k. I want different games that play different. They can fix 40K to be a good game without making AoS 2.0.
Somethings they can pick yes like free pdf rules for the units in the main page, etc... but personally I don't think 40k need to become AoS 2.0 to be a good game. But I think that is how it will end.

Go the bright side. If they make 40k basically AoS 2.0 we can have a Warmahordes style crossover game

I don't want a copy paste into 40k, but movement, and shooting I'm happy with.
Shooting needs less power

In principle? Probably. In detail? It depends, but usually not.

4e-style wound allocation (defender picks, except in the case of snipers), heavily streamlined psykers, move stats, and streamlined army selection would all be fantastic changes.

No differential pricing for unit upgrades (and units priced in blocks), splitting up statlines/tables to add fifty pages of tables to every Codex, flat hit/wound values, automatic wounds, and the priority roll would all be awful changes.

Whatever happens we're probably going to end up with a game that feels like a beta the way AoS still does for a long time to come.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
4e-style wound allocation (defender picks, except in the case of snipers), heavily streamlined psykers, move stats, and streamlined army selection would all be fantastic changes.

Please keep in mind that the poll isn't about what anyone would like to see be changed, rather its about what is most likely to happen and is it a good thing? Look at the graphic I linked to and ask yourself, if this is the future, is it good or bad for those who play 40k?

I do not really want to see 40k go towards age of sigmar that much, I would much rather they look out of there box at other games in the space and try and learn what may work in 40k.

40k does not just need a flat rules redesign, If they do not think about the army's, how they play against and with others. And consider what they want each phase, Unit and ability to represent. It will still be a failure to me.

What they really fail at, and fail at continuously is how they will often leave a faction and army with nothing to do in entire areas of the game.

This is what i want to see fixed, Change the game so every army is playing the same game in there own ways. think about what each army would be doing, and make sure they all play the same at the same scale.