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I've been contemplating getting the core set as I hear the bolt action system is good, but I'm having trouble finding much if any support for it.
Is the system really any good?

Is there a community for it?

Or is this just a game holding on and draining the income of the bolt action franchise?

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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I just saw a second starter set in the FLGS that featured plastic Algoryns. There was no update post on Dakka about the plastic Algoryns. There was no mention of the second (cheaper?) starter. I don't know if that means it's a dead game--there was no update on Dakka about Nolzur's HD minis either, and those are supposedly selling like hot cakes--but it does mean that fewer people are talking about Antares than about Robotech Tactics.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I just saw a second starter set in the FLGS that featured plastic Algoryns. There was no update post on Dakka about the plastic Algoryns. There was no mention of the second (cheaper?) starter. I don't know if that means it's a dead game--there was no update on Dakka about Nolzur's HD minis either, and those are supposedly selling like hot cakes--but it does mean that fewer people are talking about Antares than about Robotech Tactics.


Yeah, that's the problem, I haven't seen anyone promoting it, and only ever saw a couple people painting them in the P&M section. I just saw someone else using the Gahr for another project too. Miniaturemarket is two miles from me and they don't have the Kar'A expansion with the plastic algoryn I'm more tempted by the big set with the Gahr since sci-fi shouldn't always be two humanoid alien races against each other unless its Star Trek , though the algoryn look good to me as well.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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I don't know how they play, but I love the plastic Ghar.


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 Theophony wrote:
I've been contemplating getting the core set as I hear the bolt action system is good, but I'm having trouble finding much if any support for it.
Is the system really any good?

Is there a community for it?

Or is this just a game holding on and draining the income of the bolt action franchise?


If you want to get into it, get the new 50$ Strike on Kara Nine.

The first starter does have a little more, but its not balanced at all. Think of the many 40k starters with each edition how horrible they were...

This set has a balance of 3 5 man groups vs 2 5 man groups and a drone. The learn to play book is also fantastic as it goes through 6 missions, teaching you a little bit each time so by mission 6, you know al the rules needed.

The game itself is pretty affordable to get into. They are releasing more plastic sets and moving away from the initial metal. You can find them cheaper of course.

If you like bolt action and scifi, then this is a great game. It add armor saves to it, since it is the future, but it doesent bog the game down any. CC is super brutal, and it doesent require large blobs of dudes like bolt action does.

I want to get into it, just got a lot of games I'm doing at the moment. Gearing up for 8th 40k so that's taking the budget
   
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Thanks for the input Str00dles .

I'm still leaning towards the main set as it has the full rulebook in it. I saw the points were lopsided, but the armies seem different both physically and play style wise.

I've never played or even watched a bolt action game being played, but have heard it is a good system. Honestly the reason I started to look at Antares at all was because they just released Test of Honor and I started to read about the rules.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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 Theophony wrote:
Thanks for the input Str00dles .

I'm still leaning towards the main set as it has the full rulebook in it. I saw the points were lopsided, but the armies seem different both physically and play style wise.

I've never played or even watched a bolt action game being played, but have heard it is a good system. Honestly the reason I started to look at Antares at all was because they just released Test of Honor and I started to read about the rules.


Test of honor was alright. A simple system but it worked. Just felt like it didn't have much depth so I ended up selling it all off.

The Ghar crab walker suits are cool from the main starter, and yea the rulebook is nice to get. I built it for the FLGS and we tried it when it first came out and we just couldn't understand it to well. (Even though the people had been playing bolt action for years). The quick start rules inside were pretty poor. That's why they releases Strike on Kara Nine. Its a game better taught, then digging through the rulebook to understand it.
   
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str00dles1 wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
Thanks for the input Str00dles .

I'm still leaning towards the main set as it has the full rulebook in it. I saw the points were lopsided, but the armies seem different both physically and play style wise.

I've never played or even watched a bolt action game being played, but have heard it is a good system. Honestly the reason I started to look at Antares at all was because they just released Test of Honor and I started to read about the rules.


Test of honor was alright. A simple system but it worked. Just felt like it didn't have much depth so I ended up selling it all off.

The Ghar crab walker suits are cool from the main starter, and yea the rulebook is nice to get. I built it for the FLGS and we tried it when it first came out and we just couldn't understand it to well. (Even though the people had been playing bolt action for years). The quick start rules inside were pretty poor. That's why they releases Strike on Kara Nine. Its a game better taught, then digging through the rulebook to understand it.


That's not good to hear , I've tried watching some YouTube videos to see how it plays and it looks quick and brutal, but even between videos it looks like they get the rules wrong/different/forgotten.

Since I live near Miniaturemarket I was about to drive over and pick up the main set. The Ghar are what I'm interested in currently (though the Concord are nice looking too). I was thinking of magnetize grandson the head and making it possible to replace with 40k servo skulls as I have a silly army of them. Angry Servo Skull Hostile Organic Lifeform Elimination Squads (donkey-caves for short ), which would be accompanied by more floating Servo skulls with guns(Ghar outcasts) and other items which could easily counts as, but still work in 40k .

I will have to think more on this now. Almost everyone I've seen buy the game has either sold it off or boxed it up .

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Ha, that sounds amazing.

Jealous you live so close to MM. Id be there all the time...

I know Beasts of War did a play through of it. someone from Warlords showed them how to play. It is good enough to give you an idea.

Worst comes to worse, you can buy both starters, and sell off the Algoryn. Gives you Ghar and lots of Concord guys
   
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Models - a lot of really nice models there. the plastics are decent, and as mentioned the Ghar are nicely different. The metals... a couple of the Freeborn sculpts are a little ropey (Skarks), but in general the metals are the best quality metals that Warlord has ever put out. The Concord Drop Troops are amazing, to the point that I'm tempted to redo my entire force in metal. They do stand a head taller than the plastics though. The biotech Isorians are also lovely models - if they come out in plastic, I'm doomed

Vehicles - nice kits and I love the far-future aesthetic.

It's a more generic version of Bolt Action, so troops have an actual statline and the game runs on a D10. Not surprising when you consider that it has to cover cowardly mutants and giant rock monsters in the same game. The core game runs as smoothly as Bolt Action, and you always have plenty of loadout and tactical options - games typically run for only a few turns, much like 40k, so you have to really think about how to achieve those objectives.

The rules are a bit more detailed than Bolt Action, so as well as having an armour stat (Resistance), everyone's armour works a little differently. One type is reactive and works better at long range, another "phase shifts" and gives you a free Down action when you're shot at - if you wish.

The armies play more differently than you might expect from looking at the stats, and the drone rules add some nice extra touches and options. Armies are small - the £50 Concord box has a 1000-point force consisting of 25 troops, 3 big drones, a mortar and a bunch of tiny drones - and that's a pretty playable army. 500 points is a scouting force, 1000 is a pretty decent battle, or you could expand it with a vehicle or a couple more units to a serious 1500-point battle force.

It does suffer from some fiddlyness - there are lots of different weapon types that are a pain to remember the unusual names for ("do I kill you with this or eat my dinner with it?"), and many of the rules have 4 outcomes rather than 2 on a roll. You get an extra bonus if you succeed on a 1, such as choosing which model you hit, or finding a permanent trail through dense terrain, and you get Not So Good things if you fail on a 10.

At times these are great (see para above), at other times they are a pain to remember. I found the movement chapter a particular trial - it probably needs a good rewrite to condense it into a couple of simpler tables. Too much "Fast models do this, Large models do that, normal models do something else".

The gear, as mentioned, can take a while to understand and get used to - the rules are not really explicit on, say, the fact that Algoryn troops carry HTH weapons but Concord troops don't, or that Concord jetbikers can use Compression technology to fold away their bikes when not in use. Some of the gear rules are in the Unit Abilities section rather than Equipment. There are a lot of drone types, and it takes a bit of thought to work out that Shield Drones and Batter Drones, or Target Drones and Spotter Drones, are not as similar as they might appear.

There's not much that's Just Plain Bad - just a lot of special rules and +1s here and there, and a rulebook that could possibly use another editing pass.

The main rulebook reminds me a lot of Rogue Trader - a vast, sprawling and ever-changing universe that actually feels very fresh and mysterious. You can have your factions battling away over territory, or exploring a newly opened Gate system or battle for supremacy trapped in a tiny pocket of Gates locked away from the rest of the universe. No relation to Warp Storms at all...

Which starter set... your call. The new smaller Ka'Ra Nine set sounds like a decent introduction, and it has a couple of basic forces. I love the Ghar in the big starter, but they are the one force that has a pile of special abilities on their gear and weapons, and act as an exception to the basic damage rules. The full rulebook, though, is very complete and will have you thinking up all sorts of scenarios and campaigns.

Overall, I love it.

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str00dles1 wrote:Ha, that sounds amazing.

Jealous you live so close to MM. Id be there all the time...

I know Beasts of War did a play through of it. someone from Warlords showed them how to play. It is good enough to give you an idea.

Worst comes to worse, you can buy both starters, and sell off the Algoryn. Gives you Ghar and lots of Concord guys

Thanks again , very helpful info.
Living next to miniaturemarket is more of a curse than a blessing. All my money is gone

Momotaro wrote:Models - a lot of really nice models there. the plastics are decent, and as mentioned the Ghar are nicely different. The metals... a couple of the Freeborn sculpts are a little ropey (Skarks), but in general the metals are the best quality metals that Warlord has ever put out. The Concord Drop Troops are amazing, to the point that I'm tempted to redo my entire force in metal. They do stand a head taller than the plastics though. The biotech Isorians are also lovely models - if they come out in plastic, I'm doomed

Vehicles - nice kits and I love the far-future aesthetic.

It's a more generic version of Bolt Action, so troops have an actual statline and the game runs on a D10. Not surprising when you consider that it has to cover cowardly mutants and giant rock monsters in the same game. The core game runs as smoothly as Bolt Action, and you always have plenty of loadout and tactical options - games typically run for only a few turns, much like 40k, so you have to really think about how to achieve those objectives.

The rules are a bit more detailed than Bolt Action, so as well as having an armour stat (Resistance), everyone's armour works a little differently. One type is reactive and works better at long range, another "phase shifts" and gives you a free Down action when you're shot at - if you wish.

The armies play more differently than you might expect from looking at the stats, and the drone rules add some nice extra touches and options. Armies are small - the £50 Concord box has a 1000-point force consisting of 25 troops, 3 big drones, a mortar and a bunch of tiny drones - and that's a pretty playable army. 500 points is a scouting force, 1000 is a pretty decent battle, or you could expand it with a vehicle or a couple more units to a serious 1500-point battle force.

It does suffer from some fiddlyness - there are lots of different weapon types that are a pain to remember the unusual names for ("do I kill you with this or eat my dinner with it?"), and many of the rules have 4 outcomes rather than 2 on a roll. You get an extra bonus if you succeed on a 1, such as choosing which model you hit, or finding a permanent trail through dense terrain, and you get Not So Good things if you fail on a 10.

At times these are great (see para above), at other times they are a pain to remember. I found the movement chapter a particular trial - it probably needs a good rewrite to condense it into a couple of simpler tables. Too much "Fast models do this, Large models do that, normal models do something else".

The gear, as mentioned, can take a while to understand and get used to - the rules are not really explicit on, say, the fact that Algoryn troops carry HTH weapons but Concord troops don't, or that Concord jetbikers can use Compression technology to fold away their bikes when not in use. Some of the gear rules are in the Unit Abilities section rather than Equipment. There are a lot of drone types, and it takes a bit of thought to work out that Shield Drones and Batter Drones, or Target Drones and Spotter Drones, are not as similar as they might appear.

There's not much that's Just Plain Bad - just a lot of special rules and +1s here and there, and a rulebook that could possibly use another editing pass.

The main rulebook reminds me a lot of Rogue Trader - a vast, sprawling and ever-changing universe that actually feels very fresh and mysterious. You can have your factions battling away over territory, or exploring a newly opened Gate system or battle for supremacy trapped in a tiny pocket of Gates locked away from the rest of the universe. No relation to Warp Storms at all...

Which starter set... your call. The new smaller Ka'Ra Nine set sounds like a decent introduction, and it has a couple of basic forces. I love the Ghar in the big starter, but they are the one force that has a pile of special abilities on their gear and weapons, and act as an exception to the basic damage rules. The full rulebook, though, is very complete and will have you thinking up all sorts of scenarios and campaigns.

Overall, I love it.

Thanks for all that info, I think that really pushed me to get the main set .
Does the rule book have some fluff in it about the universe? Or have they done anything similar to a pale back fluff book?

Thanks again.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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It has fluff in it.

Momotaro made some good points. that's why I ended up grabbing Strike on Kara Nine, as the Ghar are the exception to a lot of rules. It was confusing at first. So playing standard trooper vs standard trooper was easier for me to wrap my head around.

when you get it, play a basic version of it first. Don't use a lot of the special rules and add them in as you get more comfortable. For us the armor value is just a number without any special rules so far. everyones armor is different on what it does but we stick to just the number for now.

I do like the drones. Think that was a cool touch. At a cost of about 10 points, gives your squad a reroll 1 time a turn. but your opponent can auto kill it if he gets a critical hit.

Warlords has quick reference sheets online and on the forums, also free army lists are on their site aswell.
   
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Came here to say the same as str00dles, but I see you've bought the big box in your painting log thread!

Thought I'd share this one from the LAF with you - someone using the basic troops and plastic woodland Indians to go mad on a Freeborn force:

http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=98378.0

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str00dles1 wrote:It has fluff in it.

Momotaro made some good points. that's why I ended up grabbing Strike on Kara Nine, as the Ghar are the exception to a lot of rules. It was confusing at first. So playing standard trooper vs standard trooper was easier for me to wrap my head around.

when you get it, play a basic version of it first. Don't use a lot of the special rules and add them in as you get more comfortable. For us the armor value is just a number without any special rules so far. everyones armor is different on what it does but we stick to just the number for now.

I do like the drones. Think that was a cool touch. At a cost of about 10 points, gives your squad a reroll 1 time a turn. but your opponent can auto kill it if he gets a critical hit.

Warlords has quick reference sheets online and on the forums, also free army lists are on their site aswell.

Thanks for the reply, I'll print out the reference sheets tomorrow at my side job, since the one in the main box is goofy.

Momotaro wrote:Came here to say the same as str00dles, but I see you've bought the big box in your painting log thread!

Thought I'd share this one from the LAF with you - someone using the basic troops and plastic woodland Indians to go mad on a Freeborn force:

[url]http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=98378.0

I'll check it out when I get home as I don't like some of the freeborn stuff.

As mentioned I did get the core box today

Had a brief look through it, but I should have time tomorrow. I did check to see if a servo skull would fit in where the Ghar suit head is and it does .

Still kicking around ideas at the moment. I'm thinking of starting a new blog on it so....

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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Sounds promising, and I look forward to it.

I had considered proxying the Ghar battlesuits as Kataphron Servitors for an Admech list, and I have a few servoskulls kicking around!
   
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The Ghar suits are smaller than I expected, but still usable. I planned on them being more dreadnought sized. Anyway I have a new thread https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/726042.page#9368674 for my ongoing Antares builds.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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It could just be that it is Warlord. Bolt action does ok here in the states, but it can be like pulling teeth finding any of their stuff in stock through a distributor.
   
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 Digclaw wrote:
It could just be that it is Warlord. Bolt action does ok here in the states, but it can be like pulling teeth finding any of their stuff in stock through a distributor.

Yeah, I have the feeling that since the Kickstarter flopped way back when that retailers just didn't bother with it. The local shop used to have it they said, but couldn't get enough people interested in it. It's a shame really, seems like an excellent game.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Honestly I feel there is just a bloat of games available right now. It is increasingly difficult to grab hold of any lasting market share. Warlord alone has had several new games released since Antares, which diverts their limited creative and promotional resources. So many "flash in the pan" game systems anymore, I hesitate to put money into any of them.
   
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BigDaddio wrote:
Honestly I feel there is just a bloat of games available right now. It is increasingly difficult to grab hold of any lasting market share. Warlord alone has had several new games released since Antares, which diverts their limited creative and promotional resources. So many "flash in the pan" game systems anymore, I hesitate to put money into any of them.

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Hard to deny that. We are now living in an era where we are spoiled for choice of quality games out there. It is inevitable that there are going to be some good systems that simply don't make it in a short attention span, hyper-saturated market environment.
   
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 totalfailure wrote:
BigDaddio wrote:
Honestly I feel there is just a bloat of games available right now. It is increasingly difficult to grab hold of any lasting market share. Warlord alone has had several new games released since Antares, which diverts their limited creative and promotional resources. So many "flash in the pan" game systems anymore, I hesitate to put money into any of them.

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Hard to deny that. We are now living in an era where we are spoiled for choice of quality games out there. It is inevitable that there are going to be some good systems that simply don't make it in a short attention span, hyper-saturated market environment.


Or because of the bad marketing idea they had of making it "Rick priestley's" game and trying to do the game, video game and books all in one Kickstarter. Just poor marketing decisions. I think this game and system can be really good and competitive, but just everyone now has a bad taste in their mouths from the mis-launch and it's going to have an uphill struggle to get the attention of gamers again. That's kind of why I'm doing a new Painting and Modeling blog on my stuff for the game and trying to get some attention going for it.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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 Theophony wrote:
 totalfailure wrote:
BigDaddio wrote:
Honestly I feel there is just a bloat of games available right now. It is increasingly difficult to grab hold of any lasting market share. Warlord alone has had several new games released since Antares, which diverts their limited creative and promotional resources. So many "flash in the pan" game systems anymore, I hesitate to put money into any of them.

.
Hard to deny that. We are now living in an era where we are spoiled for choice of quality games out there. It is inevitable that there are going to be some good systems that simply don't make it in a short attention span, hyper-saturated market environment.


Or because of the bad marketing idea they had of making it "Rick priestley's" game and trying to do the game, video game and books all in one Kickstarter. Just poor marketing decisions. I think this game and system can be really good and competitive, but just everyone now has a bad taste in their mouths from the mis-launch and it's going to have an uphill struggle to get the attention of gamers again. That's kind of why I'm doing a new Painting and Modeling blog on my stuff for the game and trying to get some attention going for it.


I thought Priestly went to Warlord after the KS failed. The original concept was over ambitious. There was talk of continuous battle reporting (instead of event based) where the narrative would be based on the players input and actions. It was trying to do too much at once. Not to mention they were asking way to much to start. Also they really didn't have anything conceptual, mostly just an idea at the time of the KS
   
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They were also tryouts by to do a video game at the same time. Basically hitting all universes of gaming systems at once . I like Rick, seems like a good guy, but creative types generally make the worst planners.....at least in my experience.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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 Digclaw wrote:
It could just be that it is Warlord. Bolt action does ok here in the states, but it can be like pulling teeth finding any of their stuff in stock through a distributor.


Anything Warlord is impossible to find here in the Michigan area and probably most of the eastern US. Distributors usually split their stock among several regions in the United States, so shortages are not tied to a "small region" like a state. I technically have a "pre-order" for a Konflict 47 starter set at my friend's store. That game came out about seven months ago. Frostgrave is in the same situation.

That being said, you can always order straight from Warlord. It takes a few weeks to get your items, but I have no trouble getting any of the Antares line directly from them. In fact, I have to place an order for the new campaign book and some more rebel Ghar.

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Antares is also directly competing with 40k in some ways but less fantasy and more science fiction. Hence trying to get traction is difficult just because of the competition from GW. However in my opinion the ruleset is better than 40k (both 7th and 8th) but more in depth so takes more time to grasp the nuances.

They are still investing in Antares with new plastics so there must be some traction, I'd guess in the UK mainly given the US responses. It's one of those things though you need people to play it to get people to stock it. But if people don't stock it then it doesn't get the same exposure.

It's definitely worth a try and is much more cost effective than 40k.


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My local store owner has said that Warlord Games is like the old GW to deal with directly. He said that they want you to order a huge amount as a minimum every week. He doesn't stock any Antares items, but he does stock Bolt Action. He gets it from his normal distributors, but only about six people seem to play Bolt Action and they are mostly older gentlemen. I have never seen anyone play or have an Antares event in the store.
   
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 RockoRobotics wrote:
 Digclaw wrote:
It could just be that it is Warlord. Bolt action does ok here in the states, but it can be like pulling teeth finding any of their stuff in stock through a distributor.


Anything Warlord is impossible to find here in the Michigan area and probably most of the eastern US. Distributors usually split their stock among several regions in the United States, so shortages are not tied to a "small region" like a state. I technically have a "pre-order" for a Konflict 47 starter set at my friend's store. That game came out about seven months ago. Frostgrave is in the same situation.

That being said, you can always order straight from Warlord. It takes a few weeks to get your items, but I have no trouble getting any of the Antares line directly from them. In fact, I have to place an order for the new campaign book and some more rebel Ghar.


My FLGS has a good selection of Bolt Action and only a couple blisters of Antares. Regardless, BA has so many SKU's that if you're looking for a particular box or blister, it's very hit or miss. I tend to order directly from Warlord for resin vehicles and NWS for all other things Warlord. www.nwswargaming.net
   
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 Whirlwind wrote:
Antares is also directly competing with 40k in some ways but less fantasy and more science fiction. Hence trying to get traction is difficult just because of the competition from GW. However in my opinion the ruleset is better than 40k (both 7th and 8th) but more in depth so takes more time to grasp the nuances.

They are still investing in Antares with new plastics so there must be some traction, I'd guess in the UK mainly given the US responses. It's one of those things though you need people to play it to get people to stock it. But if people don't stock it then it doesn't get the same exposure.

It's definitely worth a try and is much more cost effective than 40k.



I bought the assault on kar nine or whatever it was called and learned the game. A good value for 50 bucks. I like it and got the concord starter box for cheap. Now that 8th is here for 40k, I honestly couldn't say when id play Antares again. Its not a bad system by any means, just theres a few things GW has over them.

More supported everywhere, plain and simple.

Kits/models are better. I don't expect any company to be as good as GWs plastics as they have perfected it though. Also its all plastic. Metal+plastic kits or just metal is horrible. I know they are moving to plastic, but it will be a long time.

The cost is about the same. Antares starters are about 80 bucks. Gw start collecting starters are 85. ITs worth that 5$. You also need to buy the special dice to use for Antares, which is an added 20 bucks. All in all, at the end of the day, Antares and 40k are same cost, but your getting better plastic kits then warlords plastics.

Wont be long until warlords changes their sale prices to no more then 15% off like all other companies are doing. It increases your cash flow and helps the FLGS

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Finland

They just revised some of the few loopholes in the rules: http://www.warlordgames.com/antares-rule-amendments/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=61b247d69a-Warlord_Games_Friday_New_Releases_16_June_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed

This is hoe it should be handled in all games.

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Thanks for that , I'll print it out this week to have a physical copy.

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