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I ' am really surprise that no one started this sooner. Now the MAJOR QUESTION here is Carmen going to restart this Rogue Heroes Rifts Boardgame Kickstarter again? I was surprise it cancel when did I thought they would go into weekend see if they get surge of backer then. But what happen for them to cancel as they did it wasn't a full week ? Well I will start this topic to see what some of you poster have to say on the subject.
   
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I suspect it will be relauched but in a different way.

Carmen has already invested in getting 3d renders done for the initial figures he wanted for the game, he has a license from PB - okay may need modifying - add to this that there will be a demand for miniatures and so he may try to launch a minis onlly KS.

Then if this is successful he may be able to put funds to the relaunch of his boardgame ideas. This time around though I would suggest he uses quality standees using PB sanctioned artwork rather than plastic miniatures. Why, well if he follows the route of I think it is Pathfinder he can open up the whole Rifts megaverse by having books of downloadable imagery or sets of specific figure standees.

Of course some people still want minis, but he would have them and could tag a minis only deal on top.

Of course the other key to success is ti totally distance himself from PB as regatds advertising etc, do the rounds himself get good neutral reviews for his game but above all else serve up a polished finished product not something seeming;ly half done.
   
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He may not even be able to afford a relaunch if the rumors of the license expiring soon being true

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We shell see what happen but I myself don't think there be a relaunch of the Rifts BG KS II .

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Lets see what went wrong?:

1: Carmen invested $40K into development on a game he didn't even do market research into outside of PB fans, and even later when that was done on the PB forums even the results were dismal at best.

2: Carmen charged way too much for what he was offering, by his high charges he missed the well its cheap or reasonably priced so we'll give it a shot crowd, his price was geared towards the "I'm a fan of Rifts club"

3: he tried doing a kickstarter with very close ties to a company that well lets just be nice and say is hated and reviled big time, furthermore he had no background to support him unlike Pinnacle, so it was a double whammy that made him look like a PB shill company regardless if it was true or not.

4: Carmen should have came out with his own IP then he might have done better, but instead he did a kickstarter as a new company on an old outdated property from a company who is reviled and despised to say it nicely

5: he was not ready, he wasn't even trying to do catchup even, he went into this thinking the money was going to roll in, but if you do not have a good presentation ready to answer the hard hitting questions you will fail.

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Uh, Rick, why do you keep saying Wayne?

Don't you mean Carmen?

This isn't nitpicking, I'm genuinely curious if Wayne is neck deep in this as well.
   
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DEZOAT wrote:
I ' am really surprise that no one started this sooner. Now the MAJOR QUESTION here is Carmen going to restart this Rogue Heroes Rifts Boardgame Kickstarter again? I was surprise it cancel when did I thought they would go into weekend see if they get surge of backer then. But what happen for them to cancel as they did it wasn't a full week ? Well I will start this topic to see what some of you poster have to say on the subject.


Well, Carmen needs to first decide on a material and manufacturer for his miniatures. He can present all the 3D renders he likes, but just because something is 3D rendered does NOT mean it can be cast, let alone cast as one piece. The manufacturer, OTOH, can tell him what will work and how much tweaking is required.

Next, if he's going to front it as a board game, he needs a board. No, paper mats don't cut it in today's market, if they ever did. Printing on a board isn't that much more expensive, and if he thought about it, a modular board (tiles) isn't that hard either. This allows you to have multiple set-ups and scenarios, as well as easy 'expansion packs' of tile sets to allow the board game to be played on a small or large scale - and are relatively cheap to make.

Third, based on what I've seen, his combat resolution is terrible. Nobody wants to roll D20 on a board game. Put some separation between yourself and old Palladium RPG mechanics. Also, counting squares for range? Time consuming and tedious. If you've got tiles, hey, you can count a few tiles rather than a few dozen squares. Speeds up play. Using tiles also lets you model stuff like grenades (damage everything in one tile) or magic/psionic area effect stuff without lots of 'counting squares'.

Board games are more tactile, and rolling more dice is often more fun (to a point - rolling 2-5 D6 is fun, rolling 15-25 is not). You can vary the target number for success and the number of dice rolled, allowing for a huge variation in results. That cyborg might roll 5D6 and succeed of 4+, while the Coalition trooper rolls 3D6 and succeeds of 5+. Using more dice also allows for better averaging of results; each side rolling just D20 with modifiers is still very, very random. And really, you want to have as few modifiers as possible. You should be referencing your character card ONLY for most rolls, and maybe an equipment card adds a single die to an attack or defense roll, or lets you move further, or whatever. K.I.S.S. principle.

   
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I don't know what sort of a pickle he is in for the license, hopefully he can take at least 3 months to re-examine what he has has and get everything lined up for a relaunch.

I'm torn on my feelings for this KS, but if he wants it to succeed, this would be my list of things he needs to look at:

1) Same number of minis, fewer poses for the bad guys to start with. Unlock extra poses and extra minis as stretch goals.

2) Mantic's Walking Dead - All Out War's game comes with a paper mat (though there is an inferred assumption the owner will want to quickly replace it with 3D scenery), but there should be a quick Stretch goal to get that paper mat upgraded to tiles, and to add extra tiles as well - tiles are probably going to be this games second-most desired piece of content, just behind the minis.

3) Show a zoomed in copy of each of the card types on the initial screen. To get a sense of the game, people WANT examples, and want to be able to read the text and identify the symbols. Not every one of the cards needs to be shown, but showing at least one each will go a long way - "This is what a character card looks like", "This is what a tier 1 card looks like", "This is a tier 2 card", etc.

5) A quick-play downloadable demo would really help. Maybe one hero, three bad guys and only tier one abilities - enough for people to get a sense of how the game is going to play out, and maybe have them knowledgable enough when they get the box set they can just cut over straight to playing.

6) Make extra scenarios stretch goals. They should be relatively easy to create, and if there is a page template already available, it can be easily plopped onto it. Could be made available as PDF (either on own site or DriveThru sites), or have a stretch goal to have it either printed on the side or added to the main book. If your going to offer SW mats on the KS, why not write some scenarios that use those mats?

7) Speaking of which, the BASE book needs to be in color - don't skimp and make it B&W. Maybe have a stretch goal for adding color examples and such, but the BASE book needs to be in color.

8) Make extra cards for the available classes/figures available as a stretch goal. These could be Print On Demand (DriveThru has a site they could be printed from), or possibly even included as backer add-ons (or even become part of the base) if funding reaches high enough. There's got to be lots of psionic, weapon, bits of equipment, training, special moves and the like that can be used to expand the 3 abilities at 3 tiers model you have - stuff that allows personalization of the heroes, or even "leveling"

9) As a stretch goal, could add cards for PB's metal miniature line, with the eventual goal being (in a seperate KS, don't go the route of RRT) done in plastic at some point. For now, if there's a metal mini, offer a stretch goal that uses that mini, and perhaps - with PB's approval - ability to purchase those minis (like the SW mats and PB Rifts books).

10) Consider revamping the D20 mechanic. As others have noted, it's a bit clunky for a board game. D10s or perhaps D6s might be better if you can rejigger the percentages to more common and easier to read dies.

11) I would highly recommend a co-op mode. This game very much seems like "good guys vs. bad", and letting each person play one hero of Lazlo vs. either NPC AI (preferred) or a Coalition Commander seems like a no-brainer sort of thing to add.

12) If he had not already done so, contact retailers and possibly create a special tier for them to pre-purchase copies. Miniature Market, Alliance & Diamond distributors come to mind for reaching out to attempt to get interest in wide distribution of the game beyond the small Rifts community.




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DEZOAT wrote:
We shell see what happen but I myself don't think there be a relaunch of the Rifts BG KS II .


Haha, that is one ironic typo.

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 John Prins wrote:
Next, if he's going to front it as a board game, he needs a board.


Carmen needs a clue, not a board. I've said it before, but what we're seeing in the video is a miniatures skirmish game, not a board game. He needs to shut up with this idea of a 100K+ boardgame, and scale down the project to metal miniatures, which can be made for 67K, the amount raised in the KS and raised *despite* backers told how risky the project is (and Carmen can use paper maps in miniature skirmish games). Really, nobody cared about the gameplay (okay, Stormonu did!), just the miniatures, particularly the glitterboy. Heck, with a metal miniatures line (doesn't Carmen have miniatures casting experience from Palladium), he doesn't even have to bother with KS or his own company. The sculpting costs are sunk, and, assuming that they can translate to production miniatures he could just get into bed with Kevin and ive birth to pretty baby RIFTS metal miniatures retail through the Palladium webstore without this KS business. Or he could use KS and even start small, with, say, four factions for his first RIFTS miniatures game KS, then, after delivering, run another KS to continue expanding the miniatures line.

Stormonu's post is right, though only in the sense of attracting funding from the "non-fans". I think the Palladium loyalists are enough to fund a project without having to appeal to those of us who own ten foot poles.

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ced1106 wrote:


Really, nobody cared about the gameplay (okay, Stormonu did!), just the miniatures, particularly the glitterboy. Heck, with a metal miniatures line (doesn't Carmen have miniatures casting experience from Palladium), he doesn't even have to bother with KS or his own company. The sculpting costs are sunk, and, assuming that they can translate to production miniatures he could just get into bed with Kevin and ive birth to pretty baby RIFTS metal miniatures retail through the Palladium webstore without this KS business. Or he could use KS and even start small, with, say, four factions for his first RIFTS miniatures game KS, then, after delivering, run another KS to continue expanding the miniatures line.

Stormonu's post is right, though only in the sense of attracting funding from the "non-fans". I think the Palladium loyalists are enough to fund a project without having to appeal to those of us who own ten foot poles.


To be honest, I thought the gameplay video was horrible, overwrought and clunky. From what I could make out from the card samples, a D6 system would have worked about as effectively.

The thing is, the miniatures are only going to get him so far, and the last KS did not provide value for the minis that were offered. To me, the game as presented on the KS had no value whatsoever, and that it touted as a "card game playable without the miniatures" made it even more laughable. If he stepped up his game, so to speak, and the actual game mechanics made an actual enjoyable game he'd have a lot more interest for supplements and add-on packs that would be useful for more than the overpriced minis.

I do agree, though, it would a smart move if he acknowledged and built in usage for the existing miniature line - preferably with new, modern sculpts. I gotta admit though, *I* wouldn't buy those minis on the PB site unless they look a whole lot better in person than the blobby, flash-ridden abominable pictures shown. And to my knowledge, Carmen is the one who casts those minis on PB's site for them. :(

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You know, I'm willing to bet Carmen's license is so specific that he can't produce anything but a "board game", possibly locked into plastic miniatures.

   
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While anything is possible, I don't think real and fundamental changes will happen behind the scenes at Rogue Heroes as Carmen and his collaborators are too engrained in the Palladium mentality... which isn't surprising since in actually they ARE palladium (Wayne, Kevin, palladium artists, Carmen, Mike, etc). The only new thing I can discern is the matching pair of LLC's set up to specifically financially CYA at backer's expense.

What I mean is that I think Kevin and Carmen will lip service change the kickstarter *campaign* to reflect the advice given in order to get the funds but after those 30 days things will return back to Palladium dysfunctional normal just like with Robotech. Carmen didn't seem capable of making the necessary break with Palladium to keep them to a minimum (like PEG did) and they'll continue to use their 30 years of experience to RRT (yes, that's a verb now!) the heck out of the project.

Another point that I'd like to address is that it's obvious that the Palladium paradigm of exclusive fan friend/freelancers feedback utilization (aka EFFFFU!) doesn't work. The circle of fan friendship clearly doesn't provide the constructive criticism necessary to put out a good, modern product. When anything other than vapid praise (as seen in public on the megaversal forums and likely even worse in private) is shouted down in SJW fashion as "hate", you end up with a $100,000+ campaign for a board game with no board included and no game shown off. That's 30 years worth of Palladium experience for you. Even prior to the knowledge of Carmen's psychological state, I didn't believe him strong enough to break free from his decade of mentoring under Kevin Siembieda.

Nothing about the character of this recent campaign has changed that but instead strengthened the opinion instead. Vague, fluctuating goals? Check. Empty statements about immense time and resources put into the project despite the appearance of the opposite? Check. Rounding up the Palladium brown shirts to shout down any opposition while simultaneously paying attention (via "thanks" comments) only to praise? Check. About the only thing that differed from typical Palladium MO is the cancellation at the end (which flies in the face of the unofficial Palladium mantra of "By Siembieda's hammer, never give up! Never refund!").

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 Forar wrote:
Uh, Rick, why do you keep saying Wayne?

Don't you mean Carmen?

This isn't nitpicking, I'm genuinely curious if Wayne is neck deep in this as well.


Oopsie my bad I always get Kevin's henchmen mixed up.

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WTF????
I leave on vacation for my niece's wedding and come back from the weekend to find out Rifts game is dead...
There was a lot wrong and I think that is the smartest thing at this time for him...

He needs to get Kevin off his high perch and fix RTT, once that is rolling again.. then try something...
Then he would be more on his own, not trying to cover for Palladium games short falls.


 
   
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 Genoside07 wrote:
WTF????
I leave on vacation for my niece's wedding and come back from the weekend to find out Rifts game is dead...
There was a lot wrong and I think that is the smartest thing at this time for him...

He needs to get Kevin off his high perch and fix RTT, once that is rolling again.. then try something...
Then he would be more on his own, not trying to cover for Palladium games short falls.



If Palladium had any respect for their licensee then they'd have come clean on RRT before the annoucement so as not to affect the upcoming kickstarter. If Kevin had any sympathy for his supposed good friend then he would have come clean after the suicide before the kickstarter launched to make the campaign as easy on Carmen as possible. The only thing I can assume from those two is that the priority is protecting Kevin's ego and not admitting fault. Good luck to Carmen/Casey in convincing his friend, mentor, boss, and collaborator to do the right thing after all these years.

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Coming clean might have helped, depending on the timing and exactly how PB handled it. But, it could just have easily riled up the masses.

Considering there is such an infinitesimally small chance of PB ever making the RRT backers happy at this point, there really isn't anything they could have said that would have calmed down the so-called "haters".

If Rogue Heroes presents a better product, gets some outside reviews, shows off more gameplay, has a beta rulebook up on day one, makes it clear they aren't a PB shell company, answers the difficult questions (basically run it like the RIFTS Savage World campaign), they could be successful.

I feel for Carmen. It's obvious he put his heart and soul into this project. But it's tainted and he has to realize the enormity of the challenge facing him.

Personally, there is no way I would ever back it on KS, but it is something I would check out at retail.
   
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I've actually wanted a Rifts tabletop war game. To bad for Palladium they burned all my goodwill with the RRT projects poor showmanship. I would actually support the game IF they finished the outstanding one first.

Since we know it's never going to happen, my money is safe in my bank, and safe deposit box. PB will never see another dime of it. The could have, and might have been, is buried in the ashes of their lies, treachery, and stupidity. At this point to make this right they should offer full refunds to everyone who backed this game, or actually complete the game and send a copy of all the "exclusives" that hey have made thus far, or maybe offer the other wave 2 sets to backers as a free add on.

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 Ctaylor wrote:
Coming clean might have helped, depending on the timing and exactly how PB handled it. But, it could just have easily riled up the masses.

Considering there is such an infinitesimally small chance of PB ever making the RRT backers happy at this point, there really isn't anything they could have said that would have calmed down the so-called "haters".


I agree that it wouldn't have made backers happy to have their worst fears officially confirmed (as opposed to the 98% unofficially we have now just with history and common sense) but there is however demonstrable improvement in coming clean and stopping the continuing/ongoing pissing off of backers by passing the buck further down the road for years. It's still an improvement even if the bar is set so low. They didn't even bother doing that and their joint project with Carmen suffered as a result.

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 warboss wrote:
 Ctaylor wrote:
Coming clean might have helped, depending on the timing and exactly how PB handled it. But, it could just have easily riled up the masses.


I agree that it wouldn't have made backers happy to have their worst fears officially confirmed (as opposed to the 98% unofficially we have now just with history and common sense) but there is however demonstrable improvement in coming clean and stopping the continuing/ongoing pissing off of backers by passing the buck further down the road for years. It's still an improvement even if the bar is set so low. They didn't even bother doing that and their joint project with Carmen suffered as a result.


I'd prefer they honestly admit the money's gone, they screwed up royal, and RTT is never being finished, to the garbage they keep spewing at us weekly. But Kevin seems to drink his own Cool-Aid and somehow, somewhen he'll scrape the money together and prove everybody wrong and they'll love him again.

   
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Kevin just needs to come clean and try to make amends one way or the other with either refunds and/or store credit or something.

the longer he drags this out the worst he is making it for himself and anyone associated with him and his company.

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Kevin doesn't have the resources to refund people. There is no way that can happen.
   
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As it stands then, Carmen will have a up hill battle trying to dig thru the @#$% that Palladium has dumped on the gaming community.

Until Palladium cleans up their act, Rifts game will be a hard sale. The other thing is for weeks Palladium had tons of information and
updates on their weekly newsletter. But they went completely silent on the topic this week..

Most of the Dakka Trolls had some very good points.. Try a game with no connections to back to Kevin.. start small, build trust.. Then
make his dream game of Rifts..

We all no the sad truth will be the some else will be blamed for the problems and they will try again doing the same thing.. wondering why
its not working...

 
   
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This game has potential, I think its current major failing is that Carmen is too deeply immersed in the "PB way of doing things". Until he is able to visibly dstiance himself from PB (and Kevin in particular), as well as strenthen the percieved work ethic going into this project, it's going to continue to fail and he won't understand why.

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I do not agree that a Rifts related boardgame is a hard sell, afterall Pinnacle proved that you can run a successful KS based on the IP.

A lfair amount of the basic work is done, but needs an awful lot more polish. Obvious things like a full colour rulebook and if it is to be a boardgame card tiles oherwiise say it is a miniatures game go with the paper mat but get rid of the grid - works for Mantic, who then offer upgrades to neoprene.

Carmen needs to look at his price point, if he expected a $200k funding to get him his dream 39 mins in the base set so be it, but it is unlikley to happen, Stay with 19 but lowere cost to $60, it will be a squeeze but the apparent loss may be offset by boxes actually moved. Gives wriggle room then to offer extra heroes, troops as stretch goals rather than add ons.

As above I would seriously consider (if going the boardgame route) using high quality card standees with minis as an option. If the game itself is good enough, a potential lower pricing point allows people to buy and get into it, they may well then decide to add the minis at some later point. POssobly this gets more copies out and the chance of a larger gaming exposure. Of course standees shoulld be a less complicated medium to produce than the pitfalls inherent in plastic/metal minis.

I find it strange that a lot of the ideas to help this succeed here and elsewhere are coming from the so called "RTT Trolls" whereas very little seems to be coming out of those who are moaning that somehow it was adverse comments that killed this KS
   
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I do not agree that a Rifts related boardgame is a hard sell, afterall Pinnacle proved that you can run a successful KS based on the IP.

A lfair amount of the basic work is done, but needs an awful lot more polish. Obvious things like a full colour rulebook and if it is to be a boardgame card tiles oherwiise say it is a miniatures game go with the paper mat but get rid of the grid - works for Mantic, who then offer upgrades to neoprene.

Carmen needs to look at his price point, if he expected a $200k funding to get him his dream 39 mins in the base set so be it, but it is unlikley to happen, Stay with 19 but lowere cost to $60, it will be a squeeze but the apparent loss may be offset by boxes actually moved. Gives wriggle room then to offer extra heroes, troops as stretch goals rather than add ons.

As above I would seriously consider (if going the boardgame route) using high quality card standees with minis as an option. If the game itself is good enough, a potential lower pricing point allows people to buy and get into it, they may well then decide to add the minis at some later point. POssobly this gets more copies out and the chance of a larger gaming exposure. Of course standees shoulld be a less complicated medium to produce than the pitfalls inherent in plastic/metal minis.

I find it strange that a lot of the ideas to help this succeed here and elsewhere are coming from the so called "RTT Trolls" whereas very little seems to be coming out of those who are moaning that somehow it was adverse comments that killed this KS


problem is with board games the most you usually want to charge is $50, look at the Zombie 15 game (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iello/zombie-15/description) they charged like $65 for the base game and all add-ons, but on the other hand it came with well over 100 minis too, minis mind you that would most likely be reminiscent of the ones Carmen would have made too, but it also had cardboard tiles and such and the project was ran much smoother with more information available, and still the game only took in just over $140K and ran about 7 months late and with very few backer comments too.

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To be frank, the PB fans probably think its perfect as it was.

Well, standee cardboard "pawns" have worked out well for Pathfinder, it appears - so it's an option. However, I think with this KS the knowledge that the plan was for plastic miniatures makes it impossible now to consider such as a feasible option that would end up funded.

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wilycoyote wrote:
I do not agree that a Rifts related boardgame is a hard sell, afterall Pinnacle proved that you can run a successful KS based on the IP.

A lfair amount of the basic work is done, but needs an awful lot more polish. Obvious things like a full colour rulebook and if it is to be a boardgame card tiles oherwiise say it is a miniatures game go with the paper mat but get rid of the grid - works for Mantic, who then offer upgrades to neoprene.

Carmen needs to look at his price point, if he expected a $200k funding to get him his dream 39 mins in the base set so be it, but it is unlikley to happen, Stay with 19 but lowere cost to $60, it will be a squeeze but the apparent loss may be offset by boxes actually moved. Gives wriggle room then to offer extra heroes, troops as stretch goals rather than add ons.

As above I would seriously consider (if going the boardgame route) using high quality card standees with minis as an option. If the game itself is good enough, a potential lower pricing point allows people to buy and get into it, they may well then decide to add the minis at some later point. POssobly this gets more copies out and the chance of a larger gaming exposure. Of course standees shoulld be a less complicated medium to produce than the pitfalls inherent in plastic/metal minis.

I find it strange that a lot of the ideas to help this succeed here and elsewhere are coming from the so called "RTT Trolls" whereas very little seems to be coming out of those who are moaning that somehow it was adverse comments that killed this KS


Pretty much. I was arguing with a PB fan I know yesterday because he somehow thinks RRT backers killed this project. There were maybe what, 6-10 critical backers on the KS? Out of 500ish backers? So they think that 1-2% of the backers managed to bring down the other 98%? That's just wishful thinking.

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If I were him I'd do the minis (they're already sculpted!) and a pamphlet for the rules (figuring most folks will use them for RPGs or other minis games). Then with a product produced work on a more through game launch.

If RRT hadn't happened and if I wasn't an irate backer I'd probably jump in for something like that.

 
   
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Well I was looking at some of the other BG KS . WOW they blow Carmen RBG KS out of the water. I don't know if going to restart it. He going to a lot of work really clean his up.
   
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Carmen needs to let his dream die, along with ours of getting RRT wave 2 stuff. He will never be a wild success with his endeavor because of the weight he's trying to bring with it. He needs to start is own standalone game and let this shrivel and die. The RBG has no chance of success. He learned about the industry from people who don't understand the industry. Sucks to see a fledgling company die under the weight of itself, and the company it keeps, but when you can't handle it, and the people helping are making things worse, it's time to cut the losses and run.

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