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As a Word Bearers player, I'm...not in any particular hurry to switch editions for awhile, as very few of the announcements or articles assure me this is an edition I would enjoy playing.

Does anyone else here plan to wait it out for a bit, either sticking to 7th or even going back a few editions back (5e Oldhammer) while assorted things sort themselves out?

7th? Ew, no!

I'm super excited about 8th. Looks amazing so far!

 MagicJuggler wrote:
As a Word Bearers player, I'm...not in any particular hurry to switch editions for awhile, as very few of the announcements or articles assure me this is an edition I would enjoy playing.

Does anyone else here plan to wait it out for a bit, either sticking to 7th or even going back a few editions back (5e Oldhammer) while assorted things sort themselves out?

From your wording it seems like 7th favors word bears in some way or do you have a codex that's going away? I'm just curious, but why are you not in a hurry to switch? Rules-wise almost everything i've seen of 8th makes it look like an easier, and much, much improved verison of 40K.

Not too likely, but I'm not setting my 7e books on fire or anything, so the option will still be there. I still have my 6e BRB and 6e codices for Space Marines, Tau, Eldar (and Daemons, but 6e=7e there), so I suppose I could go back to 6e if someone wanted a 6e game. I don't have any 2/3/4/5e books other than the 5e Dark Eldar codex, so I'm not too likely to be doing that.

I'm cautiously optimistic about 8e. I'll be looking things over pretty closely, and I'll give it a few test games even if my reaction to seeing the full rules in print is "this is garbage-flavored garbage with dumpster-fire icing". That's what I thought of Age of Sigmar, after all, but once the GHB came out I actually rather enjoy it.

God, no.

And don't the Word Bearers have the worst rules of all the Legions to boot?

Nah, even if they totally faff on Orks I can at least spend the next year trying to get a killshot on a Landraider with my Grots.

Not sticking with 7th but if my group don't like 8th when it comes out we are going back to 5th. It was when most of us started and when we had the most fun playing.

I'm being cautiously optimistic about the system so far. But some of the lore implications are making me worried, very worried. Depending on how that goes I'll just pretend we're still in a pre numarines age.

There's no guarantee 8-th is going to be good. But it's very unlikely it's going to be worse than a clusterfeth 7-th is now. Power creep has just gone out of proportion. It was passable at start but than all the formations and power releases brought it to the state of "almost as bad as 6-th". I've been enjoying heavilly restricted games though.

Even if 8th was another flurry into the idiocy that was the release of AoS, I'd still not play 7th.

No rules at all is better than 7th in my opinion. I've been trying to wrangle fun out of 7th for years, and I'm bloody done with it. It's a chore, not a game.

nope..

 ChazSexington wrote:
God, no.

And don't the Word Bearers have the worst rules of all the Legions to boot?

The Word Bearers do in fact have the worst Legion Tactic, mostly because they don't actually have one. Every other Legion has some variant of "models with Veterans of the Long War get a bonus" and the Word Bearers...don't. Their main advantage is a good Warlord table, a fairly flexible decurion, an extensive Psyker toolbox, and summoning.

Hell no

FunJohn wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:
As a Word Bearers player, I'm...not in any particular hurry to switch editions for awhile, as very few of the announcements or articles assure me this is an edition I would enjoy playing.

Does anyone else here plan to wait it out for a bit, either sticking to 7th or even going back a few editions back (5e Oldhammer) while assorted things sort themselves out?

From your wording it seems like 7th favors word bears in some way or do you have a codex that's going away? I'm just curious, but why are you not in a hurry to switch? Rules-wise almost everything i've seen of 8th makes it look like an easier, and much, much improved verison of 40K.

I played Word Bearers before, and my army was rendered completely illegal when the Chaos Codex was updated by Gav/Alessio in 4th, also rendering Lost and the Damned lists illegal. Given the removal of summoning, the GW statement that "they will have rules for all available models" (aka, nothing about "no model units", like my Disc Lord or Palanquin Sorcerer), the removal of vast swathes of Psychic powers (aka no more Scrolls of Magnus) and what I assume will be a removal of Chaos Boons...

As others have noted, even if 8E ends up being bungled, 7E would not be the alternative, it's awful an needs to...not be a thing anymore.

 MagicJuggler wrote:

FunJohn wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:
As a Word Bearers player, I'm...not in any particular hurry to switch editions for awhile, as very few of the announcements or articles assure me this is an edition I would enjoy playing.

Does anyone else here plan to wait it out for a bit, either sticking to 7th or even going back a few editions back (5e Oldhammer) while assorted things sort themselves out?

From your wording it seems like 7th favors word bears in some way or do you have a codex that's going away? I'm just curious, but why are you not in a hurry to switch? Rules-wise almost everything i've seen of 8th makes it look like an easier, and much, much improved verison of 40K.

I played Word Bearers before, and my army was rendered completely illegal when the Chaos Codex was updated by Gav/Alessio in 4th, also rendering Lost and the Damned lists illegal. Given the removal of summoning, the GW statement that "they will have rules for all available models" (aka, nothing about "no model units", like my Disc Lord or Palanquin Sorcerer), the removal of vast swathes of Psychic powers (aka no more Scrolls of Magnus) and what I assume will be a removal of Chaos Boons...

To be fair, relics were always subject to change during codex updates. Across all armies, though some more than others.
So even if we had gotten a codex in 7th, I wouldn't expect the scrolls to still be there.

I don't see them making a return in 8th due to TSons getting their own rules. If anything, TSons will be the only ones to get them.
And the daemonic mounts might be updated only as they release models. So no juggerlords, etc on release imho.
TSons got their discs though So I could see DG getting a palanquin too and the other two mounts will probably have to wait until emperors children and world eaters.
I just hope the non cult legions get some love too. They could get screwed over so as not to dilute the "factions".

Honestly, I feel that 7th did a lot right and other than "Free points" and certain power combos, the rest could be patched up without too much difficulty. 5th was the edition I got the most games in with (back when you could reasonably run a mechanized Ork army) but thems the breaks.

I do feel that one of the major aspects of 40k that needs tweaking is making psychic powers less "all or nothing" no matter what edition it is, but for all its flaws with deathstar-stacking, 7th at least creates a system of diminishing returns for psychic spam.

I feel if you're going to stick with an older edition...use a good one? 5th or 2nd or something. 7th is by far the "worst" I've ever seen 40K.

 Roknar wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:

FunJohn wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:
As a Word Bearers player, I'm...not in any particular hurry to switch editions for awhile, as very few of the announcements or articles assure me this is an edition I would enjoy playing.

Does anyone else here plan to wait it out for a bit, either sticking to 7th or even going back a few editions back (5e Oldhammer) while assorted things sort themselves out?

From your wording it seems like 7th favors word bears in some way or do you have a codex that's going away? I'm just curious, but why are you not in a hurry to switch? Rules-wise almost everything i've seen of 8th makes it look like an easier, and much, much improved verison of 40K.

I played Word Bearers before, and my army was rendered completely illegal when the Chaos Codex was updated by Gav/Alessio in 4th, also rendering Lost and the Damned lists illegal. Given the removal of summoning, the GW statement that "they will have rules for all available models" (aka, nothing about "no model units", like my Disc Lord or Palanquin Sorcerer), the removal of vast swathes of Psychic powers (aka no more Scrolls of Magnus) and what I assume will be a removal of Chaos Boons...

To be fair, relics were always subject to change during codex updates. Across all armies, though some more than others.
So even if we had gotten a codex in 7th, I wouldn't expect the scrolls to still be there.

I don't see them making a return in 8th due to TSons getting their own rules. If anything, TSons will be the only ones to get them.
And the daemonic mounts might be updated only as they release models. So no juggerlords, etc on release imho.
TSons got their discs though So I could see DG getting a palanquin too and the other two mounts will probably have to wait until emperors children and world eaters.
I just hope the non cult legions get some love too. They could get screwed over so as not to dilute the "factions".

How many armies were updated from 6th to 7th though? Afaik the big three are Space Marines, Tau and Eldar. SM didn't suffer any losses (and in fact got a bunch of new options) while Tau were a reprint with formations and tubsuits. Really, the only notable loss was the Eldar losing Mantle of the Laughing God, which was only being used to turn a Jetseer into the equivalent of a Psychic stealth bomber.

7 no, 2 yes. Don't see point switching to inferior one just cause gw wants to sell new bomks

7th edition was a decent ruleset but the Detachment/Formation bonuses were silly. Why do UMs get 500ish points of free vehicles for fielding a full battle company when Blood Angels do not?

The playing field needs levelling. The other changes in 8th sound mostly good with Deathstars being removed (or at least made harder to pull off). I am sure 8th ed will have its own issues as no system is ever perfect (or perfectly tested) but I am cautiously optimistic that the overall gaming experience will improve.

3rd edition for lyfe baby. Boring as it may be, everything was so much simpler.

I played 7th despite the rules. 8th looks to be a mile better. If it isn't, I'd probably play more Shadow War and make rules for my armies in Rogue Stars or another system rather than play 7th.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
3rd edition for lyfe baby. Boring as it may be, everything was so much simpler.

Huh. . . Why 3rd and not 4th? I always felt 4th was the "ironed out" 3rd with better codexes. If I had to choose, 4th would be my go-to.

 Purifier wrote:
Even if 8th was another flurry into the idiocy that was the release of AoS, I'd still not play 7th.

No rules at all is better than 7th in my opinion. I've been trying to wrangle fun out of 7th for years, and I'm bloody done with it. It's a chore, not a game.

Decades even...

Why would I ever stick with the worst edition of all time? I don't even understand the logic here, if you don't like 8th edition and want to stick with an older edition instead, then why not just pick 5th or 4th edition? I mean, if you had to choose to go back to any editions, why choose the worst?

Personally, I consider 6th the worst simply due to the whole "units in transports may not score" rule, but ymmv. If nothing else, 6th did come with a large set of FAQs to hard-reset a lot of rule inconsistencies. With 7th, Obsec versus a binary "scoring or nonscoring" was long overdue as well.

With 4th, I remember Marine Gunlines. The only thing you saw back then were 5-man lasplas Marine units, and transports were worthless unless you were a skimmer, simply because of Emergency Disembark even if the vehicle wasn't destroyed.

5th is probably the best overall but it still had a lot of weirdness as the result of 3 editions of rules interacting with each other.

No.

Nope.

No 7th was my least favorite of all the editions I have played. To the extent where I took almost a 2 year break in playing. The down turn for me started at the end of 6e with more RPS match-ups, deathstars, and uber shooting. I can't wait for 8th. I think the game needs a reset. Will things be perfect right away? no. But they have a much better chance than sticking with 7e. Throw in that I think moving away from the codex model was a much needed change for balance and I will change tomorrow if the edition drops.