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Nids seem to mostly avoid direct contact with warp stuff, unless that's been retconned, so as to keep away mutations and such given the galaxy has some pretty bug warp rifts in it I'm actually wondering now where the bugs will likely even go. Another thing is they've always been moving from the east to terra due to the astronomicon's light, but now that's obscured mostly to the eastern side of the galaxy does anyone else think the bugs will be flying as blind as the Imperium over there? There's that little gap down near macragge some of the fleets were around anyway so it's likely that since some would see the light still they may curve the others down there to continue their trip; but this would mean the bugs would probably sort of bottleneck down near macragge. Would also possibly save the blood angles since the fleet could divert or use them as fuel to divert still.

   
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I'm guessing at this point, the bugs have gotten to the point that they've had too many resources thrown at this galaxy to not be committed to trying to devour it. I never bought in to the "oh they have billions of hive fleets that outnumber the stars!!!!111oneone" malarkey that some people buy in to. I'm pretty sure aside from a few more rear guard fleets, what's in the galaxy is most of what they have.

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 Melissia wrote:
I'm guessing at this point, the bugs have gotten to the point that they've had too many resources thrown at this galaxy to not be committed to trying to devour it. I never bought in to the "oh they have billions of hive fleets that outnumber the stars!!!!111oneone" malarkey that some people buy in to. I'm pretty sure aside from a few more rear guard fleets, what's in the galaxy is most of what they have.



Given that Hive Fleet Leviathan is only the leading tip so far, and its already the biggest yet seen, I contest this. Plus, hive fleets Hydra, Moloch and a couple of others were only beginning to attack fringe worlds when the clock stopped at the stroke of midnight,

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You can contest it all you want, you have no evidence that there's hundreds more hive fleets out there waiting to arrive, just baseless supposition.

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 Melissia wrote:
You can contest it all you want, you have no evidence that there's hundreds more hive fleets out there waiting to arrive, just baseless supposition.



I've just given you evidence: At the last known moment in time, the largest known Hive Fleet was just the beginning of Leviathan, along with several other Hive Fleets attacking many other points around the galaxy simulataneously. Take that as you will, but there's the evidence.

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thing is they've always been moving from the east to terra due to the astronomicon's light, but now that's obscured mostly to the eastern side of the galaxy


Didnt the Nids most recent fluff say they were moving up the galactic plane? i.e. from below, so its possible the new warp rift dosent obscure the astronomicon at all.



As to what they think / will do, keep nomming I suppose. If GW goes down the route of having every faction somehow gain power/size, its more biomass for them. Albeit a lot more fire power to face too.....

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I'm hoping to see a lot of systems 'north' of the rift to be nommed from combined assault from Nids, Chaos and Orks. (Fingers crossed Baal falls!)

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I think the best thing would be for them to just carry on as before.

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Well, it seems like things will most likely go on from this standpoint.

South of the rift, you will have Tyranids acting normally. They follow the light and generally head towards Terra. In the south east, you will see hive fleets being stalled by the emergent necron dynasties. Things will grind to a halt with biomass being destroyed and necron using their most ancient technologies to wipe out vast chunks of fleets entering their domain. Think the weapon from Ender's Game.

In the North, they will most likely slow down tremendously without the light of the astronomicon and rely on genestealer seeding to locate viable prey worlds. Emergent hive ships that enter the Crack of Terror directly will most likely find themselves delayed because Chaos. Some warp storms may subside due to fleets travelling through them, but overall, it should be business as usual.

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 Deadshot wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
You can contest it all you want, you have no evidence that there's hundreds more hive fleets out there waiting to arrive, just baseless supposition.



I've just given you evidence: At the last known moment in time, the largest known Hive Fleet was just the beginning of Leviathan, along with several other Hive Fleets attacking many other points around the galaxy simulataneously. Take that as you will, but there's the evidence.


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You haven't actually objected to my post then. All those you mentioned are already attacking the galaxy. And I stated that those attacking the galaxy are for the most part all the tyranids had, minus a few more fleets that are the rear guard as it were and haven't arrived. You've yet to provide evidence that they have a large number of fleets in waiting and not yet actually attacking the galaxy.

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The chaos (little "c") and confusion going on will make for one hell of an outdoor BBQ for the Hive Fleets. Mass distraction and depleted defenses will mean less biomass expended for the amount gained. You might see the Nids get a bit more numerous and a bit more powerful.

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Basically, the Nids will keep doing their thing.. Still plenty of worlds to nom on...
   
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The shock will kick start the next evolution of the tyranids, causing hive tyrants to be birthed with voice boxes and able to make alliances with other species. Baal turns out to be a tomb world and they ally with the blood angels against the greater necron threat.

On a more serious note, I hope they get some fluff focus. We seem a long way from the times of the tyranids being a threat to the entire galaxy. Seems more likely to be devoured by the eye of terror than the hive fleets.
   
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 Melissia wrote:
You haven't actually objected to my post then. All those you mentioned are already attacking the galaxy. And I stated that those attacking the galaxy are for the most part all the tyranids had, minus a few more fleets that are the rear guard as it were and haven't arrived. You've yet to provide evidence that they have a large number of fleets in waiting and not yet actually attacking the galaxy.


There is an old video on youtube where a couple of the writers? or some people from GW were discussing them and they described it like holding the galaxy with both hands (imagine the galaxy was the size of a large cookie or something, and each finger you dip in, is one of those hive fleets. So for scale that would mean their total size/mass is larger than the entire milky way.

But whatever, they will all be getting scrapped off Marine and Guardsmen boots and clogging up tank treads
   
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There is an old video on youtube where a couple of the writers? or some people from GW were discussing them and they described it like holding the galaxy with both hands (imagine the galaxy was the size of a large cookie or something, and each finger you dip in, is one of those hive fleets. So for scale that would mean their total size/mass is larger than the entire milky way.

But whatever, they will all be getting scrapped off Marine and Guardsmen boots and clogging up tank treads


There was a great bit in the Battle for Macragge in the 2nd ed codex, Were a Warlord titan gets downed because its joints got clogged with gaunt bodies and then topples because to the weight

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Probably nothing. I can honesty see this warp rift barely affecting them. Mostly due to bad writing though.

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 Melissia wrote:
You haven't actually objected to my post then. All those you mentioned are already attacking the galaxy. And I stated that those attacking the galaxy are for the most part all the tyranids had, minus a few more fleets that are the rear guard as it were and haven't arrived. You've yet to provide evidence that they have a large number of fleets in waiting and not yet actually attacking the galaxy.
What's the evidence for your claim?

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Wasnt there a theory in one of the codices that our Galaxy is basically the last one standing and Nids have pretty much consumed all else?
Sure its just one of different theories but its basically canon as an idea.

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 Ratius wrote:
Wasnt there a theory in one of the codices that our Galaxy is basically the last one standing and Nids have pretty much consumed all else?
Sure its just one of different theories but its basically canon as an idea.
I remember that there was a theory that they had come from another galaxy that they destroyed, but not every other galaxy.

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 Melissia wrote:
You haven't actually objected to my post then. All those you mentioned are already attacking the galaxy. And I stated that those attacking the galaxy are for the most part all the tyranids had, minus a few more fleets that are the rear guard as it were and haven't arrived. You've yet to provide evidence that they have a large number of fleets in waiting and not yet actually attacking the galaxy.
What's the evidence for your claim?

My claim was a counter-claim to the assertion that there's billions of tyranid hive fleets outside the galaxy just waiting to get in.

My assertion thus is that there's no evidence they exist. Are you actually arrogant enough to try to ask me for evidence that they don't exist, and expecting me to respect your fallacious logic and improper debating etiquette? Because if so, goddamn dude.


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I remember that there was a theory that they had come from another galaxy that they destroyed, but not every other galaxy.
And there's another theory that they're actually fleeing a far bigger threat. Neither theory is anything but a guess even in-universe.

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All we know about the Tyranids history pre-Milky Way is that they've devoured iirc ~12 galaxies before hitting ours. Ultimately that's pretty vague.

Regarding just how many hive fleets there are, the only factual statement we have is that the fleets currently in the galaxy are "vanguard fleets", so there are certainly more fleets out there we haven't see yet, but there's yet to be any extrapolation on that. There could be a hundred more hive fleets in reserve, there could be two
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Lexicanum wrote:The Tyranids are seen as one of the gravest threats to the entire Galaxy. They seek only to consume all organic life and cannot be reasoned with or deterred in this quest. Worse still for the Galaxy, thus far the Tyranid Hive Fleets that have been encountered are merely the furthest stretched tendril of the main invasion fleet that is still traveling in the void of space


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You can have all the headcanon you want Melissia. Thats cool. But all the hive fleets that we known in the Warhammer galaxy are just the tips of the long fingers of the Tyranid fleet. To me thats a clear indicator that they are just a small portion of the whole Tyranid race.

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 Melissia wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
You haven't actually objected to my post then. All those you mentioned are already attacking the galaxy. And I stated that those attacking the galaxy are for the most part all the tyranids had, minus a few more fleets that are the rear guard as it were and haven't arrived. You've yet to provide evidence that they have a large number of fleets in waiting and not yet actually attacking the galaxy.
What's the evidence for your claim?

My claim was a counter-claim to the assertion that there's billions of tyranid hive fleets outside the galaxy just waiting to get in.

My assertion thus is that there's no evidence they exist. Are you actually arrogant enough to try to ask me for evidence that they don't exist, and expecting me to respect your fallacious logic and improper debating etiquette? Because if so, goddamn dude.


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I remember that there was a theory that they had come from another galaxy that they destroyed, but not every other galaxy.
And there's another theory that they're actually fleeing a far bigger threat. Neither theory is anything but a guess even in-universe.


We are outside observers to the 40k universe with access to knowledge from the codex often kept hidden to outside races.

If you want to hold your stance as an in-universe discussion fine, but most of the fluff hints towards an uninimaginable number of nids coming from outer space. (while some other theories are added should GW choose to rewrite canon,like they running away from something even worse than them as example)

this is just 7th rulebook canon so far for them.

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MurderKing wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
Wasnt there a theory in one of the codices that our Galaxy is basically the last one standing and Nids have pretty much consumed all else?
Sure its just one of different theories but its basically canon as an idea.
I remember that there was a theory that they had come from another galaxy that they destroyed, but not every other galaxy.




And that they were on the run from something even bigger and nastier than they were.

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