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Only four more days to go. Anybody else looking forward to it?
I really hope this is one thing that will live up to, if not surpass, expectations.

I've been waiting for this for as long as Cooper's been stuck in the Lodge.

BUT...I'm honestly not sure how it's gonna turn out. Expectations are a big hurdle here. But even more than that, certain remarks make me think that it's going to have more of a Fire Walk With Me vibe. And that would be a miss, methinks.

FWWM has its moments and its issues, but it's an absolutely humorless film where the series at its best balanced intense drama and weirdness with humor (I always saw Frost as the moderating influence on Lynch in that respect). Given the subject matter (Laura's descent and hellish life), maybe it had to be a humorless film. But I don't think that vibe and mood would work for 18 hours or whatever the new series will be. IMO, the new series will need to recapture the spooky charm of the original instead of being all sharp edges and jangled nerves like FWWM.

It'll be interesting to see if we get a 'deeper dive' into things like the blue rose cases and the Lodge spirits. I mean, I know we're not going to get "ANSWERS", but it'd nice to get a little more info around the edges. Was Phillip Jeffries specifically investigating the Lodge spirits for Gordon?

Well, this is certainly timely... Only what, 25 years late?

Actually. It's just about right on time:

Yeah, that's the thing...they're actually delivering on something that was promised 26 years ago.

Just a couple more minutes until it starts. If you never hear from me again, it's because my brain exploded.


Edit: Finished watching. Still processing. Insert various "whoa" and "wtf" memes here.
Honestly did not expect


Second edit: And I just found out parts 3 and 4 are available now. Crap, it'll have to wait until tomorrow night, I need at least some sleep tonight.

It was definitely a slow burn, but IMO this was exactly what i've been needing from television. I could definitely go on watching this for months on end. It is a bit more dark and graphic than the original twin peaks, now that david lynch has more freedom. But I always kind of felt his episodes were among the best anyways. Haven't seen 3 and 4 yet. I made sure to get pretty buzzed before 1/2 thinking once it ended i'd pass out.

I pulled the double header (quadruple header?) last night and was dragging all day. It was an amazing moment when the theme song for my all-time favorite TV show started again.

The original series was unlike anything else on TV at the time, and the new series can say the same in 2017. I'm a little surprised that the critical reaction was so strongly positive, just because I figured there'd be more of them screaming WTF! And honestly, it had its WTF qualities to start. But by the end of ep 4, it seems like the story is coming together somewhat. There's lots to talk about, and stuff is still forming in my head (Lynch tends to be something you need to let sit and percolate for a bit). And I'm going to rewatch them again ASAP. But here are some of my (appropriately) stream-of-consciousness thoughts about the first 4:

I watched parts 3 and 4 last night. Definitely interesting to see how they're incorporating elements of Frost's book into the show (the new FBI agent, for example). Great seeing Denise again. I have to say, some of the best parts were the scenes in the sheriff's office:


I'd say more, but it's hard to post a lot from my phone.

Regarding the new agent, the conversation about how Gordon likes to be around beautiful young women was very 'meta'. It's something people have said about Lynch, who does always seem to have some new ingenue in his movies and shows.

I started rewatching them last night. That conversation between Ben and Jerry in the Great Northern stuck out more the second time. It's pretty funny. "Is that mother's hat?"

So finally a new episode. This show keeps getting better. After the first episode or two, you might be tempted to think that Lynch and Frost are just throwing randomness at you, but it's becoming clearer that the story is well plotted, and that a lot of these threads will pay off (although probably not all, because it's Lynch).

Some of my thoughts...

 gorgon wrote:
So finally a new episode. This show keeps getting better. After the first episode or two, you might be tempted to think that Lynch and Frost are just throwing randomness at you, but it's becoming clearer that the story is well plotted, and that a lot of these threads will pay off (although probably not all, because it's Lynch).

Some of my thoughts...

Spoiler:

The shovel spray paint scene finally paid off in episode 5, and it's hilarious! I don't think Dr. Amp is going away, so it'll be interesting to see how he threads in to the rest of the story.

We now know that the hitmen trying to kill Dougie are tied to Evil Cooper and/or Phillip Jeffries. That seems no more complicated than Evil Cooper trying to tie up loose ends, knowing that Dale would replace Dougie upon his escape from the Black Lodge.

And it does appear that the headless corpse is Major Briggs. But why did he have Dougie's ring in his stomach? Was it just a plant by Evil Coop to bring heat on Dougie Dale in case the hit failed?

Kyle MacLachlan continues to kill it. He better get an Emmy nomination. He's tremendously menacing as Evil Cooper, and incredibly poignant as Dougie Dale. The closing shot of him looking at the statue is remarkable. You can see him struggling to remember what he once was and should be, but it's just out of reach for him.

We now also know that Bob is inhabiting Evil Cooper, but perhaps far in the background. Perhaps Evil Coop is evil enough that Bob doesn't need to steer the ship. It also seems clear the Evil Coop (and perhaps Jeffries) can manipulate technology, from the strange laptop scene to the crazy phone scene to the odd shrinking box. Fire Walk With Me hinted at a link between the BL entities and electricity, and we also saw that with Cooper's escape from the BL.

Although they never mention his name in the show, the smoker at the bar is listed as being Richard HORNE in the credits. There are several possibilities here IMO. One is that he's the son of either Ben or Jerry...more likely Jerry. Another is that he's a more distant relative of theirs.

A third is that he's Audrey's son, and that's where things get interesting. If that's the case, then we can assume that the dad is far out of the picture since he has the name Horne. It could be Billy Zane's character from season 2. Or...are we looking at the progeny of Audrey and Evil Cooper? Richard does appear to be a very, very bad apple...like beyond Leo Johnson bad apple. You think that scene is going to move into a flirty conversation, but it takes a very dark turn, and clearly Lynch and Frost are trying to establish this guy as evil. And watch during the band's performance (the band's name is Trouble, fyi)...they used red lighting and a strobe at one point, which is a very BL motif. A hint there, perhaps?

Also...is Richard Horne the one mentioned in the Giant's message ("Richard and Linda. Two birds with one stone.") from the beginning of episode 1? If he's Cooper's evil 'son', I can see why he'd be important. And that will be an interesting conversation when Audrey and Cooper finally meet again.

As much as he's doing a great job playing the role, part of me is really bugged that Dougie Dale is still trucking along. If I started acting like that, I would like to think at least one person would realize that something is wrong and get me to a hospital for having a stroke or something. Anyway, I'd have to say my favorite scene was the one with the sheriff and his wife. I also think that Bob has never really been in control of Evil Cooper. Evil Cooper already existed separately in the Black Lodge, and I think Bob just came along for the ride. Have to say, though, that scene with the mirror did make me really sad, remembering that Frank Silva isn't with us anymore.

By the way, have you read Frost's book, The Secret History of Twin Peaks? Due to that book, I'm expecting a lot from Agent Preston. That book set her up to be one really smart cookie, and we haven't really seen much of that so far.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
So finally a new episode. This show keeps getting better. After the first episode or two, you might be tempted to think that Lynch and Frost are just throwing randomness at you, but it's becoming clearer that the story is well plotted, and that a lot of these threads will pay off (although probably not all, because it's Lynch).

Some of my thoughts...

Spoiler:

The shovel spray paint scene finally paid off in episode 5, and it's hilarious! I don't think Dr. Amp is going away, so it'll be interesting to see how he threads in to the rest of the story.

We now know that the hitmen trying to kill Dougie are tied to Evil Cooper and/or Phillip Jeffries. That seems no more complicated than Evil Cooper trying to tie up loose ends, knowing that Dale would replace Dougie upon his escape from the Black Lodge.

And it does appear that the headless corpse is Major Briggs. But why did he have Dougie's ring in his stomach? Was it just a plant by Evil Coop to bring heat on Dougie Dale in case the hit failed?

Kyle MacLachlan continues to kill it. He better get an Emmy nomination. He's tremendously menacing as Evil Cooper, and incredibly poignant as Dougie Dale. The closing shot of him looking at the statue is remarkable. You can see him struggling to remember what he once was and should be, but it's just out of reach for him.

We now also know that Bob is inhabiting Evil Cooper, but perhaps far in the background. Perhaps Evil Coop is evil enough that Bob doesn't need to steer the ship. It also seems clear the Evil Coop (and perhaps Jeffries) can manipulate technology, from the strange laptop scene to the crazy phone scene to the odd shrinking box. Fire Walk With Me hinted at a link between the BL entities and electricity, and we also saw that with Cooper's escape from the BL.

Although they never mention his name in the show, the smoker at the bar is listed as being Richard HORNE in the credits. There are several possibilities here IMO. One is that he's the son of either Ben or Jerry...more likely Jerry. Another is that he's a more distant relative of theirs.

A third is that he's Audrey's son, and that's where things get interesting. If that's the case, then we can assume that the dad is far out of the picture since he has the name Horne. It could be Billy Zane's character from season 2. Or...are we looking at the progeny of Audrey and Evil Cooper? Richard does appear to be a very, very bad apple...like beyond Leo Johnson bad apple. You think that scene is going to move into a flirty conversation, but it takes a very dark turn, and clearly Lynch and Frost are trying to establish this guy as evil. And watch during the band's performance (the band's name is Trouble, fyi)...they used red lighting and a strobe at one point, which is a very BL motif. A hint there, perhaps?

Also...is Richard Horne the one mentioned in the Giant's message ("Richard and Linda. Two birds with one stone.") from the beginning of episode 1? If he's Cooper's evil 'son', I can see why he'd be important. And that will be an interesting conversation when Audrey and Cooper finally meet again.

As much as he's doing a great job playing the role, part of me is really bugged that Dougie Dale is still trucking along. If I started acting like that, I would like to think at least one person would realize that something is wrong and get me to a hospital for having a stroke or something. Anyway, I'd have to say my favorite scene was the one with the sheriff and his wife. I also think that Bob has never really been in control of Evil Cooper. Evil Cooper already existed separately in the Black Lodge, and I think Bob just came along for the ride. Have to say, though, that scene with the mirror did make me really sad, remembering that Frank Silva isn't with us anymore.

By the way, have you read Frost's book, The Secret History of Twin Peaks? Due to that book, I'm expecting a lot from Agent Preston. That book set her up to be one really smart cookie, and we haven't really seen much of that so far.

Yeah he's doing good, but Dougie Dale is going to start getting tiresome if he lasts another 2-3 episodes. I'll give it 1-2 more with braindead Dale but they will have to do some interesting stuff to keep him from getting annoying, you would think someone would think he has developed wet brain and take him to the hospital.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
As much as he's doing a great job playing the role, part of me is really bugged that Dougie Dale is still trucking along. If I started acting like that, I would like to think at least one person would realize that something is wrong and get me to a hospital for having a stroke or something. Anyway, I'd have to say my favorite scene was the one with the sheriff and his wife. I also think that Bob has never really been in control of Evil Cooper. Evil Cooper already existed separately in the Black Lodge, and I think Bob just came along for the ride. Have to say, though, that scene with the mirror did make me really sad, remembering that Frank Silva isn't with us anymore.

By the way, have you read Frost's book, The Secret History of Twin Peaks? Due to that book, I'm expecting a lot from Agent Preston. That book set her up to be one really smart cookie, and we haven't really seen much of that so far.

I have the book, but didn't get through all of it before the return. Lynch seems to be using that character as eye candy in the show, which is definitely a Lynch thing. The scene with Denise showed that he's self-aware of that fact, though. And I think it's possible that he's subverting it if it turns out that the released entity is indeed you-know-who.

I think 90% of characters in Lynch's shows and movies would be locked up if they acted and talked that way. Dougie Dale is probably one of the tame ones. So his behavior doesn't bother me.

Regarding Coop truly returning to us, it's something that we've been waiting 26 years for. And I think Lynch and Frost are telling us that it's their story, and we can wait a little longer. It's not like Evil Coop wouldn't have been around for most of season 3 if they'd gotten it back then. The whole bit with the guy sitting on a couch watching a glass box and waiting for something to happen is poking fun at us a little, I think. And perhaps the attack is Lynch and Frost winking at us and saying that now that there's something to see, they're going to feth us up.

I also think that the show is, in a way, in the process of becoming Twin Peaks, or at least something more familiar to us as TP. Right now we have all these other locations and characters and threads, and I think we'll see them all (well, many of them) eventually connect back to the town. And I think Cooper's path parallels that. It's like Cooper not being there has pushed everything off-kilter, and the show needs to find its equilibrium again just as Cooper needs to reclaim himself. At some point we'll probably have Cooper as himself, drinking coffee and eating pie at the Double R, to the tune of Angelo Badalamenti's music. I think we're already seeing some dotted lines forming toward that end. Although I don't think Lynch and Frost are going to dwell too long on the nostalgia. Lynch is always going to push the envelope.

I think one of the most important things that episode 5 showed us is a new generation in TP that is probably going to be very important to the story.

Here's a question -- could the billionaire be Audrey? Maybe she learned what happened to Cooper, and the glass box was some kind of spirit trap intended to capture him. They could be completely unconnected, but both Audrey's absence and the identity of this billionaire feel important.

Just finished watching the new episode. I'm still processing it, but, damn, gak just got dark.

Yeah, tad darker than the first couple episodes. Since Lynch couldn't get the original little person he was like lets get a new one...but make him 10x crazier.

Just finished tonight's episode. The "noose" is tightening around Coop's neck, so to speak, in that very soon I think he will be found by Cole & Company: appearing on the news for being a badass (great moment, btw), his prints could be pulled off his car and run through the system and get flagged, and if he is part of uncovering insurance fraud, that could also bring in the FBI. Of course, I may be just overthinking that.

Also, a very disturbing thought occurred to me:

Perhaps, but wasn't Annie also in ICU? That could have been him tying up loose ends, since she knew about the swap.

Well this last one was probably the greatest detour yet, did I just witness the creation of the universe? Or the initial flood of dark spirits into the world through mankinds nuclear tests...

Regardless, with 10 episodes to go..I think we're going to have some questions left. Which is good...I hate every question having an answer (take that ridley!).

I still don't know what I watched.
I know the spirits of the lodges have been around for centuries, that much had already been established in the original series and Frost's book.
But I still don't know what I watched.

Lots to unpack with this one. I'll keep it relatively short and sweet for now.

We know the Black Lodge spirits are attracted to and feed on pain and suffering. So I think they were attracted to the first atomic test like moths to flame. Maybe they were aware of our world before, but I think it was our newfound capacity to produce pain and suffering on massive scales that got them more interested in our world.

The Woodsman seem to be lesser Lodge spirits of some kind. Note that in FWWM, there are two (much cleaner looking) Woodsman above the convenience store, albeit not at the head table. Anyway, the 'Woodsman's' speech over the radio seemed to be a dinner bell for BL spirits. "This is the water, and this is the well. Drink full and descend." Come and get it! All this part is (weirdly, considering the particulars) fairly straightforward, I think.

Where things get more interesting IMO is with the eggs/bubbles. The weird figure that vomits out all the bubbles (including BOB) is credited as "Experiment". That suggests it's a kind of personification of the Trinity experiment, and then that perhaps all those evil eggs -- like the one that hatched the bug-frog -- were effectively created by *US*. If you remember in the original series, there's a conversation about whether BOB is an outside entity or a manifestation of the evil that men do. I *think* that this is saying that humankind's capacity for evil created BOB, or led to BOB's creation. This is seems very "Lynch" to me, and going back to that second season conversation suggests that Leland Palmer (for instance) isn't off the hook for Laura's murder. I feel like I remember reading that Lynch and Frost weren't happy about how it came off like Leland was simply possessed. This bit about BOB's creation seems to resemble the 40K universe, in which the Ruinous Powers are emotional agglomerations which then achieve a kind of sentience when they hit critical mass.

The bit with the Giant and the golden sphere is somewhat straightforward, although I'm not sure if Laura's face is meant to suggest that SHE'S the opposing force to BOB, or that she's just an intrinsic part of it all. I want to watch it again and chew on that one.

Edit: Could Cooper actually be the golden sphere? It was suggested in the "Autobiography" book that Cooper was an angel of sorts, although I don't know how 'canon' it is. And remember that Dougie -- a facsimile of a facsimile of Cooper --- became a tiny golden sphere.

I wonder how much of the timeline and the events match up to it. From Frost's book, we know the lodge spirits are less spirits and more multidimensional beings. On the face of it, the book plays them off as just aliens, but underneath that are enough hints that they're far more than that (and that the aliens may not be part of the lodges at all, but just actual aliens that have also been attracted to the potential power of the lodges). So, being multidimensional, the flow of time may have little to no effect or meaning to them. As an aside, I wonder if Coop really lived those 25 years, or if it was just moments to him.

So, from the explosion in the 40s, we see how it echos across the dimensions, attracting attention from the Giant and relating somehow to the creation or arrival of Bob. Whether Bob already existed, or if it created him, I don't know. There's just so many ways to look at it.

And then the Giant creates a beautiful golden sphere. My first thought is that he was releasing Coop back into the world, but then I realized that doesn't match the timeline. And then I realized that there's a big assumption here that the Giant creating the sphere is happening at the same time the bomb went off (multidimensional thing again). And then we saw Laura in the sphere, and that made me question everything all over again. If we assume the sphere was created and released into the world in the 40s, then what is it? Coop is too young to be born then, Laura as well, and Coop is too old for it to be one of his parents. It could be one of Laura's parents, Leland or Sarah, in order to lead to Laura's birth. The young couple in the 50s are only credited as Boy and Girl, so we don't know who they are (I've seen some suggest they were Leland and Sara, and I even saw one idea that the Boy is actually a young Gordon Cole).

AND WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT BUG THING?!

I think that the Woodsman got on the radio to make people fall asleep so that the bug thing could invade someone.

Anyway, checking the credits again, I assume the lady with the Giant is the character named Senorita Dido. Interesting if there is any significance in the name. In my head, I had named her "Opera Lady".

Yeah, the BL entities – at least the originals -- are almost certainly along the lines of the Mothman. All the avant-garde stuff probably relates to how an extra-dimensional entity perceives our reality. Or something like that. They definitely seem able to interact with electricity and electronic technology.

I think the bug frog is BOB, and that was his first 'possession'. Something about the way it crawls reminds me of him crouched over, crawling over the sofa, etc. back in the original series. But it could be some other BL entity entering her. The particulars probably don’t matter much.

Since time isn’t a certainty, it’s also possible that the Laura sphere represents a reincarnation of Laura. The time question is interesting. They set us up for a twist or two related to time right from the beginning of this series and going back to FWWM – “Is it future, or it is past” – but I guess we’ll see if one actually arrives. Again, big twists might require more strict attention to narrative than Lynch is typically interested in.

It’s interesting to consider that if the BL is a timeless place, then if you enter at any time have you always been there? In that sense, does the act of entering make you an entity? It might not be a coincidence that we see “Woodsman” entities that look like lumberjacks when the entrance is in Twin Peaks. Wasn’t it suggested that the Log Lady’s husband entered the BL?

So here’s something about the ‘normal’ part of the ep that I haven’t seen many people talking about. Was it confirmed before that it was Phillip who hired Ray and Daria to off Evil Coop? Ray’s call seemed to confirm that, although I guess there’s a question about Phillip’s identity based on Evil Coop’s call with him. Ray also did a reasonably good job keeping himself together after the appearance of the woodsmen and BOB, and even speculated that BOB was “the key to what this was all about”. And what information does he have? It's coordinates of some kind, right? But for what? The White Lodge, perhaps?

Although we have a certain amount of the overall plot sketched in, the parts that involve Phillip Jeffries – or someone representing himself as Phillip -- are still very unclear.

EDIT: We haven't even talked about perhaps the most important question to come out of the episode. Is BOB now freed of Evil Coop? It appeared as though he was being extracted, but there wasn't a clear resolution to it.

So remember Evil Cooper's playing card?



It sure looks like the head of the 'Experiment'.



And the Experiment is almost definitely the thing captured by the glass box.



So is Evil Cooper the billionaire behind the glass box? The photo that the FBI had suggests he may be fabulously wealthy.

Was really looking forward to an episode tonight, looks like they skipped a week..ugh. I know the 4th of july is Tuesday but that has nothing to do with today.

Well, episode 10 really veered back and forth from the humorous to the dark. I was laughing out loud at times, and almost cringing at others. Some will probably say nothing much happened, but I feel like it confirmed some things and continued to bring threads together like in episode 9, albeit slowly.

Deputy Chad is crooked and working with the local drug trade -- CONFIRMED
Richard is Audrey's son -- CONFIRMED
Diane working with Evil Coop -- CONFIRMED
Evil Coop behind the glass box -- CONFIRMED
Dougie having a GOOD time -- CONFIRMED

The way they're holding back Audrey means it must be a big reveal. Wonder if it'll be connected to Dale's restoration, since Lynch and Frost seem in no hurry to have that happen? I thought we'd see in her this episode, given the red shoes teasing last week and the Richard segment this week. Instead we got Janey-E in red shoes.

It was poignant to see the Log Lady again. Do her words (including "Laura is the one") have specific meaning to the story or not?

Also, it appears that Evil Cooper has quite a large operation to enact what has to be a pretty large plan. It would *seem* to involve the capture/use of the "Experiment" (aka 'Mother'?) being, and he seems to be at odds with the Black Lodge, based on the assistance Mike gives Dale. Evil Cooper is hunting down those coordinates, which I presume to be those of the White Lodge. Perhaps he intends to turn the thing loose on the White Lodge?

I'm not sure if BOB being set free (although that isn't 100% confirmed) was part of the plan, although I could see a narrative in which BOB is lashing out against the Lodges. He seemed to be in a subordinate position to Mike in FWWM, and maybe he chafed at Mike's rules. This could be BOB and Evil Coop enacting a 'nuclear' option, which seems appropriate given BOB's apparent origins.

I actually watched the last two episodes back-to-back last night.

 gorgon wrote:
Well, episode 10 really veered back and forth from the humorous to the dark. I was laughing out loud at times, and almost cringing at others. Some will probably say nothing much happened, but I feel like it confirmed some things and continued to bring threads together like in episode 9, albeit slowly.

Deputy Chad is crooked and working with the local drug trade -- CONFIRMED
Richard is Audrey's son -- CONFIRMED
Diane working with Evil Coop -- CONFIRMED
Evil Coop behind the glass box -- CONFIRMED
Dougie having a GOOD time -- CONFIRMED

The way they're holding back Audrey means it must be a big reveal. Wonder if it'll be connected to Dale's restoration, since Lynch and Frost seem in no hurry to have that happen? I thought we'd see in her this episode, given the red shoes teasing last week and the Richard segment this week. Instead we got Janey-E in red shoes.

On your confirmations, In order:
To quote another forum I visit, "feth Chad".
Sad, but expected. Makes that "evil Cooper raped Audrey in a coma" theory still no less disturbing.
Hopefully Diane is doing so under duress, but I have a feeling there are no happy endings for those involved with Evil Cooper.
Definitely involved with the box. I'm starting to wonder, though, if there is somebody behind evil Cooper? He's had 25 years, sure, but to build up such an extensive underworld empire as he has clearly done, while still being largely invisible to the feds searching for him, suggests he had resources to begin with. As if something like this has been in the works a long time. If so, I suspect he has turned it to his own ends at this point.

I'm really hoping that Audrey's appearance won't be in the same vein as Sylvia Horne's appearance (with Richard violently robbing her). But, like I said, I fear that there will be few happy endings.

It was poignant to see the Log Lady again. Do her words (including "Laura is the one") have specific meaning to the story or not?

Her words always have meaning. If you haven't, go back and watch the various Log Lady intros to the original series, and realize how much meaning they have for the episode that comes after.

Also, it appears that Evil Cooper has quite a large operation to enact what has to be a pretty large plan. It would *seem* to involve the capture/use of the "Experiment" (aka 'Mother'?) being, and he seems to be at odds with the Black Lodge, based on the assistance Mike gives Dale. Evil Cooper is hunting down those coordinates, which I presume to be those of the White Lodge. Perhaps he intends to turn the thing loose on the White Lodge?

Like I said above, I'm wondering if that operation was larger than evil Cooper, and he has just taken it over for his own purposes (he doesn't want to return to the Black Lodge, and is searching for the means to remain free, possibly?). The coordinates, I suspect, may have been to another hiding place that Briggs was looking for. As Hastings said, the Major's body floated up until his head disappeared, so his head/spirit may have made it to that new place, and Evil Cooper is still looking for Briggs because he needs what Briggs knows. As far as the location of the White Lodge, I know it used to be that the entrance was the same place in that circle of trees in Twin Peaks. I remember that, originally, the Red Room was the waiting area between the Lodges (which does explain how the Giant was able to talk to Coop at the beginning of the season). I don't know how much of that original mythology they're keeping, though. Another possibility for the coordinates could be that there is where the golden sphere will come (or did come) to Earth? Assuming, again, that the sphere is not actually Laura, and that timelines don't intersect normally, etc, etc.

I'm not sure if BOB being set free (although that isn't 100% confirmed) was part of the plan, although I could see a narrative in which BOB is lashing out against the Lodges. He seemed to be in a subordinate position to Mike in FWWM, and maybe he chafed at Mike's rules. This could be BOB and Evil Coop enacting a 'nuclear' option, which seems appropriate given BOB's apparent origins.

More and more, I'm thinking BOB isn't important anymore, Evil Cooper has surpassed him. Remember the somewhat bit of surprise EC showed when he saw BOB was still with him in the jail cell? I'm thinking everything is Evil Cooper all along. In many ways, it shows just how much the world lost when Good Cooper was taken out of it.

A couple of my own thoughts: I was really hoping the mob brothers would see right through the insurance guy's story. It was so blatantly melodramatic and badly acted (intentionally), that only an idiot would have fallen for it rather than wonder "why is this guy trying to so obviously set us after Jones?" Oh well.
The connections between Dougie and Coop are almost airtight now, as the police are about to run his prints and contact someone at the DOJ about him.
I'm feeling real sorry for Janey-E. She's going to lose everything when Coop returns. Another "no happy ending" there. On the other hand, part of me worries she may have been in on it from the start, part of maintaining Dougie's cover. I hope not, I like to think she is truly innocent in all this, and that something good may still come out of it for her (apart from Mr. Jackpots winnings). And, yeah, someone needs to make a .gif of Dougie's face "in the moment".
And one last I-hope-it-will-be-a-happy-ending is Bobby Briggs. I'm really hoping he has turned out alright, and that he is a redeemed good guy now. Anything else will, for a lack of a better word, defile that beautiful scene in the original series where Major Briggs tells Bobby about his dream and his belief Bobby will turn out alright. Hell, I'm starting to choke a bit just thinking about that scene again.

There are so many ideas, theories, and possibilities, that it's hard to hold on to any one for very long, because doubt sets in and a new theory could be just as plausible.

I like how painfully and intentionally awkward some of these scenes were. When tammy was standing next to diane smoking she looked so uncomfortable and it was drawn out forever.

and sky ferreiras arm pit scratching gave me some serious cringe, ugh that scratching sound.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Definitely involved with the box. I'm starting to wonder, though, if there is somebody behind evil Cooper? He's had 25 years, sure, but to build up such an extensive underworld empire as he has clearly done, while still being largely invisible to the feds searching for him, suggests he had resources to begin with. As if something like this has been in the works a long time. If so, I suspect he has turned it to his own ends at this point.

You could be right, but what I imagine with Evil Coop is Dale's innate skill set combined with law enforcement knowledge, FBI resources (at least at first), doppelganger magic, and pure evil. How dangerous would that make someone? Seems like a formula for instant arch-criminal-dom. But it's hard to know for sure.

I think that a really big question out there is who was (apparently) masquerading as Phillip Jeffries? Is it whomever Ray is working for? There's definitely another force at work here, although his/her nature and motive is very unclear.

I'm really hoping that Audrey's appearance won't be in the same vein as Sylvia Horne's appearance (with Richard violently robbing her). But, like I said, I fear that there will be few happy endings.

That could indeed be where Richard is headed next. And yeah, the fact that we haven't seen Audrey probably means nothing good. I've kinda been holding out hope that she's somehow tied into the item immediately above, but that's probably not happening.

More and more, I'm thinking BOB isn't important anymore, Evil Cooper has surpassed him. Remember the somewhat bit of surprise EC showed when he saw BOB was still with him in the jail cell? I'm thinking everything is Evil Cooper all along. In many ways, it shows just how much the world lost when Good Cooper was taken out of it.

I understand where you're going with this. But then the Giant sending Laura/the golden sphere/whatever to Earth seemed to be a response to BOB, and not to the existence of Evil Coop. Just as Mike seemed to be motivated to set Dale free to go after Evil Coop (and not so much BOB, beyond the fact they were intertwined at the time).

Although we've learned more about the nature of Evil Coop and BOB since the premiere, I still feel like a lot about their partnership(?) is unclear.

I'm feeling real sorry for Janey-E. She's going to lose everything when Coop returns. Another "no happy ending" there. On the other hand, part of me worries she may have been in on it from the start, part of maintaining Dougie's cover. I hope not, I like to think she is truly innocent in all this, and that something good may still come out of it for her (apart from Mr. Jackpots winnings).

Actually, I've been seriously wondering if the ending will involve Dale settling down with her. The guy spent 25 years in an extradimensional purgatory while his evil doppelganger spread evil everywhere, sullied just about everyone that Dale knew, and ruined his good name. Maybe retiring from the FBI to settle down with a pretty wife and nice kid under an assumed name won't be that bad. He'd be the greatest insurance agent ever. And Dale is the kind of guy who'd take care of them and treat them as his family even if they were only that of his double's double.

Well that, or or Janey-E and Sonny Jim will be horribly, brutally murdered. Clearly Lynch and Frost are mocking suburban life with the Dougie stuff, and they may make a statement by flushing it all away. But I think all the Dougie Jones stuff may be setting us up for Dale's eventual future once Evil Coop is taken care of.

Dale also has a potential reckoning coming with another of his 'sons' in Richard. I think the thread involving Dale and his 'sons' will be one to keep an eye on.

And, yeah, someone needs to make a .gif of Dougie's face "in the moment".

Good call. That was fething hilarious.



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 Thargrim wrote:
I like how painfully and intentionally awkward some of these scenes were. When tammy was standing next to diane smoking she looked so uncomfortable and it was drawn out forever.

Actually, I think the smoking scene plays a little differently now with the knowledge that Gordon has been suspicious of Diane all along.

At some point I want to rewatch all of them back-to-back (okay, maybe over a couple days). I feel like there are a lot of little cues and things that I'm missing.

Indeed, apparently Diane is quite a bit more shady than the original series (haha). There are a lot of little quirks and little things in this series that could completely pass over the head tbh. Keep in mind I always make sure i'm a couple drinks in when a new episode airs. I'm going to rewatch it all but IMO its too soon i'd rather rewatch when its all done so I can do more concise binge. I will say the only time I seriously cringed in the show so far is when nine inch nails played for nearly five damn minutes...that was some god awful crap man..and the chromatics started the show off so well!