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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/new-warhammer-40000-transports-may21gw-homepage-post-4/

I'm loving the new update! The idea of your transport assaulting first to absorb overwatch to be followed by your squad seems great!

I'm seeing

For example, a unit disembarking from a Transport is no longer prevented from charging that turn.

But what I'm reading is

KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN

In fifth, it was the Parking Lot

In eighth, it will be Rush Hour

I'm picturing an Ork trukk rolling up and the boys tuck and rolling, while the trukk keeps plowing into the enemy as the boys try to catch up.

I'll put my landraider into the grimdark demolition derby

Crazy Jay wrote:
I'll put my landraider into the grimdark demolition derby

MAKE THIS SPECIALIST GAME STAT! And I don't mean Gorkamorka

Does nobody think of the gaunts!?!

I love that Starweaver stat-line. Gimme gimme gimme.

This seems like a fair compromise that avoids the dreaded Rhino Rush but give assault armies a fighting chance.

The only thing I'm not clear on is if assault vehicles are still a thing, and if you can charge out of an open-top vehicle post-move.

Based on their wording, the answer seems to be no--you deploy at the beginning of movement, which appears to answer those points, but maybe there is a special rule for former assault vehicles.

Interesting, though only being able to disembark at the start of the movement phase means that transports can't actually be used to facilitate a turn-1 charge (because you'd either be dropping your passengers off in the deployment zone, or waiting for the start of the next movement phase).

Of course, the transport itself could easily do the charging. I don't know if you can disembark in combat though, so you might be betting on either the opponent withdrawing so you can disembark, or the transport winning its first combat on its own.

Alternatively, you could use it as a tackler instead of a transport: empty it out, charge it in, its job is to just tie things up while the real assault units walk across the board.

 3orangewhips wrote:

Crazy Jay wrote:
I'll put my landraider into the grimdark demolition derby

MAKE THIS SPECIALIST GAME STAT! And I don't mean Gorkamorka

I want to see it become the top meta until they fix it. Vehicles rushing across the table to get into combat with each other as fast as possible while the infantry basically just act as token objective holders watching on.

 ross-128 wrote:
Interesting, though only being able to disembark at the start of the movement phase means that transports can't actually be used to facilitate a turn-1 charge (because you'd either be dropping your passengers off in the deployment zone, or waiting for the start of the next movement phase).

Of course, the transport itself could easily do the charging. I don't know if you can disembark in combat though, so you might be betting on either the opponent withdrawing so you can disembark, or the transport winning its first combat on its own.

Alternatively, you could use it as a tackler instead of a transport: empty it out, charge it in, its job is to just tie things up while the real assault units walk across the board.

I'm seeing this as a viable, and likely oft-used tactic for this edition. Will work extremely well for the tougher vehicles too, providing you pick appropriate targets.

Was there anything on how far a vehicle could "run" yet? What did they call it...advance? With the starweaver I would expect it to be twice the movement. In 7th that could move 12 and then another 18 I imagine? So doubling the move would be about right no?

M16 , faster indeed.

It's still turn two charges but at least they get to stay in the vehicle until it's time to go.

Better than before though, as the the rhino will likely move 24 in the first turn and then the unit gets out for another 6+ before charging 2d6, that's pretty brutal.
Assuming advancing is double move across the board.

 Roknar wrote:
Was there anything on how far a vehicle could "run" yet? What did they call it...advance? With the starweaver I would expect it to be twice the movement. In 7th that could move 12 and then another 18 I imagine? So doubling the move would be about right no?

Same as all other units I think - extra D6"

Running has been rolled into the Movement phase now, too. You can “Advance” when you move by rolling a dice and adding the result to your Movement to go a bit faster at the expense of shooting.This applies to all models – infantry, vehicles, bikes – everyone. By including this roll as part of your move, the game speeds up, as you no longer have to move models in both the Movement and Shooting phases.

 Roknar wrote:
Better than before though, as the the rhino will likely move 24 in the first turn and then the unit gets out for another 6+ before charging 2d6, that's pretty brutal.
Assuming advancing is double move across the board.

No such luck Roknar, advancing was covering in the movement post - it's a flat +D6 for everyone (unless some units get extra rules) and means no shooting or charging.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/27/new-warhammer-40000-movement/ - two paragraphs up from the Harlequins pic.

I'd expect Rhinos to be a bit slower then the Starweaver, maybe 12-14 inch moves and things as heavy as Land Raiders and Battle wagons being capped at 12 inches

I'm a little bummed that Tank Shock is now an Assault Charge followed by Combat Phase. I really enjoyed smashing Truks and Rhinos into units and subsequently routing them off the table. Plus Death or Glory was a very fluffy, punching a rolling fortress apart with a powerfist was a huge acomplishment. I guess ramming is the norm now, I will say that basic combat is more streamlined, but damn...

Av 10 = T5 confirmed.

Not sure what to think about that, as an ork player.

They might still manage some off that. Orks are metnioned as being able to upgrade their vehicles to be more melee killy.

I have mixed feelings on this.
Pros:
-great movement and the vehicle itself can charge
-more balanced as everything is essentially an assault vehicle

Cons:
-having to "get into position" on turn 1 means it is too easy for the enemy to just move away.

As a side note, the Stareweaver being M:16" lends a lot of support to the speculation the Eldar jetbikes are going to be bonkers fast. I highly doubt any jetbike will be slower than that. Although not having the turbo boost anymore should mean their overall movement per turn is less, being able to move 16+ inches and still shoot is awesome.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Av 10 = T5 confirmed.

Not sure what to think about that, as an ork player.

I don't think it's that simple. Starweavers were AV10 with only 2HPs. So either Ork Trukks are getting 8+ wounds each, or they may have T6. Or T6 with only a 5+ armour, who knows?
Something to also keep in mind is that T5 can only be wounded on 2+ by weapons that are S10 or higher, which we haven't seen any of yet.
Likewise, Str4 wounds T5 &T6 both on 5+. So being T6 isn't all that different.

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Yup I reall like the idea of ork vehicles assaulting in cmbat its just that the AV to T conversion is something to get used to.

Is this correct ?
Vs S4
Av10 =>T5 wounds on 5+
Av11 =>T6? wounds on 5+
Av12 =>T6? / T&? wounds on 5+
Av13 =>T7? T8? wounds on 5+ /6+
AV14 =>T8 wounds on 6+

Not sure if I just should only take AV10 vehicles or if it is worth it to take only heavy aV vehicles since there seems to be little difference between 4 < T < 8

Transports... TRANSPORTS EVERYWHERE

Who needs armies when you can have TRANSPORTS

Earth127 wrote:
They might still manage some off that. Orks are metnioned as being able to upgrade their vehicles to be more melee killy.

Yeah you would hope that Chaos, (some) Dark Eldar and Ork Vehicles want to be in combat - literally in the first case.

 Talamare wrote:
Transports... TRANSPORTS EVERYWHERE

Who needs armies when you can have TRANSPORTS

To be honest I like painting ork transports more than I like painting orks

 oldzoggy wrote:
Av 10 = T5 confirmed.

Not sure what to think about that, as an ork player.

I did some quick and dirty math, might be wrong because I'm sleepy, but I think this is actually better for us. If AV 10 = T5 and we also get a 4+, here are the stats.

S4 used to wounded .1666 times
S4 now wounds .3333 times, with a 4+ it goes to .1666 times


S5 wounded .333 times
S5 now wounds .5 times, 4+ goes to .25 times

S6 wounded .5 times
S6 now wounds .333 times after save.

So the save really makes up for it, and we'll probably end up with more than 3 wounds. Someone double-check my math, though.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Earth127 wrote:
They might still manage some off that. Orks are metnioned as being able to upgrade their vehicles to be more melee killy.

Yeah you would hope that Chaos, (some) Dark Eldar and Ork Vehicles want to be in combat - literally in the first case.

I have high hopes for the grabbing claw, after seeing the dark eldar teaser : )

We also do not know what Jink will do, or even if it still exists.
There is a rumor out there that it adds +2 armour at the cost of you hitting on -1, but that would be bananas good.
Starweavers would be flying Terminators

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My guess is (If jink is still around) that it just gives you an invul, like a 5++, So dark eldar vehicles are essentially jinking all the time, but at no penalty to their shooting.