Targeting a unit drawn from multiple chapters (post FAQ)

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**MattKing**

Hello dakka.

I just want to make sure I'm doing this right.
Thanks to the new FAQ, units that contain multiple factions or types are considered to be all those types.
Therefore if a unit has hatred (Smurfs) It could use this when targeting a mixed unit of black Templars and smurfs.
Or, in the case of blackshields and champions of Fenris, PE (characters) you would get PE if the unit has a single character.

So, Tigurus's warlord ability states that a unit drawn from the same chapter (smurfs) may be selected.

Can you therefore place Tigurus in a Crusader squad and select this unit that is both Faction: SM(BT) and SM(U)?

240points and 40 rending bolter shots are calling out for me.

**Ghaz**

You're confusing Factions and Chapter Tactics. All Space Marines from Codex Space Marines are the same faction, regardless of their chapter tactics. Additionally, per the 'Chapter Tactics' rule...

If a unit contains models drawn from two different Chapters, it counts as from neither Chapter, and thus benefits from neither Chapter Tactic.

For example, ‘an Ultramarines unit’ refers to ‘a unit with the Chapter Tactics special rule that is drawn from the Ultramarines Chapter.’ If an Ultramarines Tactical Squad is joined by an Imperial Fists Chaplain, it counts as neither an Ultramarines unit nor an Imperial Fists unit.

**MattKing**

So someone with PE(UM) couldn't use this as long as another SM character is in the unit?

Here's where I have the hangup. This isn't a question of chapter tactics but of targeting a unit. Fron the FAQ:

"Q: How do special rules like Hatred, Preferred Enemy and
Monster Hunter work when targeting a mixed unit that
contains models your special rule effects as well as models
it doesn’t?
A: The rules mentioned are used if any model in the
target unit is of the appropriate type."

From this I can infer that either the rule is activated, because there are models in the unit that share the appropriate type,

or since none of the models in the unit have any type, they match.
The warlord trait "Storm of Fire" Requires that the two units "Be drawn from the same chapter" If that chapter is (none) can it still be used?

**Ceann**

MattKing wrote:
So someone with PE(UM) couldn't use this as long as another SM character is in the unit?

Here's where I have the hangup. This isn't a question of chapter tactics but of targeting a unit. Fron the FAQ:

"Q: How do special rules like Hatred, Preferred Enemy and
Monster Hunter work when targeting a mixed unit that
contains models your special rule effects as well as models
it doesn’t?
A: The rules mentioned are used if any model in the
target unit is of the appropriate type."

From this I can infer that either the rule is activated, because there are models in the unit that share the appropriate type,

or since none of the models in the unit have any type, they match.
The warlord trait "Storm of Fire" Requires that the two units "Be drawn from the same chapter" If that chapter is (none) can it still be used?

Also, I don't think you can put characters in any unit, at all, now.

Well (none) isn't a chapter, it is a lack of one.
The "Type" would be whatever the PE in that situation states.
If you target a unit, that has a model, of the appropriate type, that is all that is required.
You also cannot put characters in any unit now iirc per the new IC rules.

**Happyjew**

Ceann wrote:
Well (none) isn't a chapter, it is a lack of one.
The "Type" would be whatever the PE in that situation states.
If you target a unit, that has a model, of the appropriate type, that is all that is required.
You also cannot put characters in any unit now iirc per the new IC rules.

You're thinking 8th edition which hasn't been released yet.

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MattKing wrote:
So someone with PE(UM) couldn't use this as long as another SM character is in the unit?

Here's where I have the hangup. This isn't a question of chapter tactics but of targeting a unit. Fron the FAQ:

"Q: How do special rules like Hatred, Preferred Enemy and
Monster Hunter work when targeting a mixed unit that
contains models your special rule effects as well as models
it doesn’t?
A: The rules mentioned are used if any model in the
target unit is of the appropriate type."

From this I can infer that either the rule is activated, because there are models in the unit that share the appropriate type,

or since none of the models in the unit have any type, they match.
The warlord trait "Storm of Fire" Requires that the two units "Be drawn from the same chapter" If that chapter is (none) can it still be used?

Since (in your example) you would have to target a unit containing a model with "Chapter Tactics (Ultramarines)", once joined by a non-UM SM IC, no model in the unit has "Chapter Tactics (Ultramarines)". As such PE would do nothing.

There is no "Chapter Tactics (None)". In order to be part of a chapter a unit must consist solely of models with the "Chapter Tactics (specified Chapter)" special rule.