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Hey all, I plan on coming back to the game in 8th edition and plan on playing Dark Eldar. Just wondering if there was anything that would be safe to go ahead and buy now before the launch like warriors, venoms, ravagers, reavers, etc? Is there enough information to start betting on staples and what lists will look like? I would like to focus on competitive choices over fun ones first as where I play is predominantly competitive first and then casual.

Thanks for the help,
Ego788

First of all, that's Drukhari to you, unbeliever!

Yeah, no, I don't know. I only follow the Omnissiah.

While I'm not a player of DE, I don't really expect them to get new models really so you're safe on that front. Everything is supposed to be viable now so I'm gonna say everything is good to buy

@ Purifier My bad, lol

@TheLumberJack Agreed, just didn't know if everyone was thinking the core of the competitive lists would change much.

Raiders seem like they're going to be at least a pretty good pick in the new edition. Transports and vehicles in general are getting a big buff, DE vehicles in particular are getting built-in invulnerables, and GW has said Raiders will be 'amazing on the charge' which, given that they've already shown us the fairly killy Starweaver and described it as 'pretty decent in melee', seems to bode well for your flying spiky slashy boats.

I think you cant really go wrong with some warriors.
Venoms probably stay to be good or most likely get better since you can move and shoot at full speed, as far as i remember.
If this holds true the Ravager should be pretty good too but it really depends on the point cost. The disintegrator cannon is described to be Heavy 3 AP -3 D: 2. That fixed damage looks interesting.

I doubt that Warriors + Venoms should get too expensive though. So If you really cant wait 2 weeks then buy that
On the other hand you could also just buy a box of Gangs of Commorragh since its dirt cheap.

The set I was looking at was the one where you get the Raider and Warriors for $55. But, after further thought, the battleforce/start collecting set is a better deal as you get the jetbikes also which i think will be strong this edition, too.

Kind of worried about them losing the poison rule and getting stuck with St 3 weapons for the majority of their troops, that makes me feel like they would be unplayable.

 Ego788 wrote:
Hey all, I plan on coming back to the game in 8th edition and plan on playing Dark Eldar. Just wondering if there was anything that would be safe to go ahead and buy now before the launch like warriors, venoms, ravagers, reavers, etc? Is there enough information to start betting on staples and what lists will look like? I would like to focus on competitive choices over fun ones first as where I play is predominantly competitive first and then casual.

Thanks for the help,
Ego788

if you were really competitive, wouldn't you know already that we don't really know much?

Anyway, I'm guessing the Start Collecting Box! x2 is a safe bet to start, then expand from there after 8th Ed drops. That's what I plan on doing. Even if the Reavers and Raiders are meh (which is doubtful for both), the cost efficiency is too good for all that product. Especially if you get it from another online vendor w/ a discount.

True, but I haven't played since 4th edition, so I didn't know if a more experienced person might have some sort of insight/forcasting beyond what I could surmise.

Honestly, if you've waited this long I would just hold off for another month (projected). If you want something to hold you over until 8th is released, you can't go wrong with a box of infantry and a transport to start. Not sure how competitive they will be, but their Start Collecting box seems pretty solid and it is versatile as well (i.e. should be able to make use of all choices unlike some of the others). There is still the issue of what loadout to use, but we won't have an answer to that until 8th.

Do you have a particular style of army in mind? If not, I'd definitely wait a few weeks to check out the rules. No sense spending money on warriors if you don't like their new rules, right?

If you do have an army style in mind, you might be safer making some early purchases. Like, if you're certain you want to start a wych cult or a kabal, you might as well start investing in troops. Especiallly considering that wyches and warriors can also serve as blood brides or true born. If one unit stinks, maybe the other doesn't.

Traditionally, our transports have been a pretty safe purchase. That said, the raider is more of an anti-tank/transport vehicle while the venom is more anti-critter. So you might want to wait and see if you're going to be fielding fleets of vehicles (venoms) or transporting squads in relative safety.

Some of our kits come with enough options to be relatively safe purchases provided you don't put the weapons on right away. Reavers and scourges, for instances, can both be kitted out with a wide variety of weaponry. So they're *probably* going to have at least one good configuration each.

Beyond that, either buy what looks cool or wait to see specific rules.

True. Now that 6-17 has been confirmed, I will probably just wait to read the rules for the Eldars and Daemons. Thanks for all the input, everyone. Looking forward to being a part of this community again.

--Ego788

Wyches can't get any worse, can they? :shudder :

I was actually planning a Dark eldar (Drew Carey) army myself, after I finish my tyranids.

I had planned to buy 2 get started boxes (20 warriors, 2 raiders, 2 Archons and 6 jetbikes) and 2 boxes of scourges. This would be like $260 CAD. This would be the base and after downloading the rules I would see from there where to expand...

You really can't go wrong with the get started collecting boxes as they are such a good deal financially and provide the solid base for the army.

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Wyches can't get any worse, can they? :shudder :

What's a Wyches? Do they keep the Splinter Racks polished on my Raiders?

melbards wrote:I was actually planning a Dark eldar (Drew Carey) army myself, after I finish my tyranids.

I had planned to buy 2 get started boxes (20 warriors, 2 raiders, 2 Archons and 6 jetbikes) and 2 boxes of scourges. This would be like $260 CAD. This would be the base and after downloading the rules I would see from there where to expand...

You really can't go wrong with the get started collecting boxes as they are such a good deal financially and provide the solid base for the army.

Considering every unit in the box is a lynchpin, you sure can't! I just want to roll 120+ dice a turn, lol.
My biggest concern is having enough AT shots to get through armor spam lists. Guess we will see the new rules in a few weeks.

 Ego788 wrote:
The set I was looking at was the one where you get the Raider and Warriors for $55. But, after further thought, the battleforce/start collecting set is a better deal as you get the jetbikes also which i think will be strong this edition, too.

Kind of worried about them losing the poison rule and getting stuck with St 3 weapons for the majority of their troops, that makes me feel like they would be unplayable.

I'm in the same boat, starting them for 8th.

My commission painter is assembling them for me next week.

I picked up, based on my appraisal of rule leaks and vehicle info in general:

start collecting box
Skysplitter box (troops + raider)
a Venom
a box of wytches.

I think with this edition you will be good with some basics for now, no problemo.

What's so good about their cousins is they are solid generalists. Drukhari aren't really. It will depend a lot on the local meta: Lots of heavy vehicles or monsters? Go with dark lances. Lots of infantry, better bring splinter weapons. And we don't know what will be prevalent in 8th.

Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Ego788 wrote:
The set I was looking at was the one where you get the Raider and Warriors for $55. But, after further thought, the battleforce/start collecting set is a better deal as you get the jetbikes also which i think will be strong this edition, too.

Kind of worried about them losing the poison rule and getting stuck with St 3 weapons for the majority of their troops, that makes me feel like they would be unplayable.

I'm in the same boat, starting them for 8th.

My commission painter is assembling them for me next week.

I picked up, based on my appraisal of rule leaks and vehicle info in general:

start collecting box
Skysplitter box (troops + raider)
a Venom
a box of wytches.

I think with this edition you will be good with some basics for now, no problemo.

I was going to go with a force similar to this, but minua the wyches and add another warrior unit at least. Maybe something like:
Start collectingx2
Venom x2
Maybe scourge

Waaargh wrote:What's so good about their cousins is they are solid generalists. Drukhari aren't really. It will depend a lot on the local meta: Lots of heavy vehicles or monsters? Go with dark lances. Lots of infantry, better bring splinter weapons. And we don't know what will be prevalent in 8th.

Good point. Guess we will have to see what the full rules are for list building in terms of allies to see what we can do. I'm hoping the rules and detachment bonuses push for a "pure" list versus leaving it wide open to have tons of allies. Hopefully trueborn get to keep the 4 blasters per 5 man squad rule. Guess we will see!

Given the rules we've seen so far (generally how Raiders will work, etc) the Warriors seem like the "safe" troop choice. I'm still unconvinced that melee in general won't be disadvantaged in 8th, but the ability to move 16" and fire weapons at full power from a much more durable raider tells me the DE Start Collecting box is a very, very safe bet.I suspect that structurally, 7th editions "age of the bike" will be over, and Reavers will not be the powerhouse they were before, but they're unlikely to be bad.

I'd recommend a SC box, or a Kabalite Skysplinter if you're feeling like you wan tto be super super safe.

We don't have any clue what splinter weapons will look like in 8th, since poison will have to be changed quite a lot. That can make or break most DE units, so if you're really set on making competitive lists, I would stay away from splinter-wielding units at the moment.

New Dark Future player?

My bad...

@Skinnereal lol

Waaargh wrote:
What's so good about their cousins is they are solid generalists. Drukhari aren't really. It will depend a lot on the local meta: Lots of heavy vehicles or monsters? Go with dark lances. Lots of infantry, better bring splinter weapons. And we don't know what will be prevalent in 8th.

I think the game will be combined arms. After seeing the transport teaser, I'm anticipating the return of "rhino rush" so you will need to pop open transports (Dark Lances) and then a way to deal with what is inside (everything else). Fully expect Genestealers assaulting out of Trygon tunnels too.

 D6Damager wrote:

Waaargh wrote:
What's so good about their cousins is they are solid generalists. Drukhari aren't really. It will depend a lot on the local meta: Lots of heavy vehicles or monsters? Go with dark lances. Lots of infantry, better bring splinter weapons. And we don't know what will be prevalent in 8th.

I think the game will be combined arms. After seeing the transport teaser, I'm anticipating the return of "rhino rush" so you will need to pop open transports (Dark Lances) and then a way to deal with what is inside (everything else). Fully expect Genestealers assaulting out of Trygon tunnels too.

That is my thinking as well. Seems like on paper, DE are good to go for games like that. Raiders/Ravagers open up the cans and then the Warriors/Venoms handle the contents, especially now that each member of the squad can shoot separately.