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I know this sounds a bit odd but bare with me on this.

Up until now CSM and SM have been on a fairly similar level stat wise (excluding specials rules) which seems to me to be one of the reason cult troops have been limited to being just marines+

Now SM have their own version of ubermarines, could this open the door for the cult factions to be given a future power boost without over shadowing the post boys of 40K

What do people think?

Given that there is already a lively thread claiming that Primaris will outshine everything that Chaos has to offer while ignoring the other side and gap-holes in rules I find it amusing
To be frank - they will definitely get more toys to play with as they are being painted as The Big Evil (bigger than usually that is) in this edition.

I thik this will do that SM are more powerful, with more powerful character and will have more powerful vehicles (we already saw new dread and a pic with a new tank) than caos

Including cult marines, since there are primaris better than plague marines (with no feel no pain but with same T and several wounds and cool equip and chapter rules)

And if primaris are better than cult marines...no mention how a estandar chaos marine will look....they will be like little dolls xD


So the primaris stuff only will make stronger the marines. Sad since the point was chaos was the one who plays powerful and scary stuff, being clear that accepting the Gods will make you stronger and scary........ But now result that space marines are way superior in everything..... A kick on the lore's balls

They'll give chaos a boost since they seem to be turning it back to the imperium vs chaos focus.

We hope.

But by the moment the primaris looks more powerful than palgue marines. Hope at least the plague marines cost way less than primaris to balance them

Also the primaris HQ are stronger than regular marines HQ. And since Chaos lors (at least on 7th) are like regular marines in stats, surely they will be weaker than priamaris.


Also the chaos dread is more or less like a regular dread....so again surely will be weaker tan new primaris dread xD

Also unless change the miniatures, even the chaos chosen are smaller than a primaris, that is a shame

Franarok wrote:
I thik this will do that SM are more powerful, with more powerful character and will have more powerful vehicles (we already saw new dread and a pic with a new tank) than caos

Including cult marines, since there are primaris better than plague marines (with no feel no pain but with same T and several wounds and cool equip and chapter rules)

And if primaris are better than cult marines...no mention how a estandar chaos marine will look....they will be like little dolls xD


So the primaris stuff only will make stronger the marines. Sad since the point was chaos was the one who plays powerful and scary stuff, being clear that accepting the Gods will make you stronger and scary........ But now result that space marines are way superior in everything..... A kick on the lore's balls

Only inceptors and the captain have t5. DG has overall better toughness.

Also, their lord murders the captain straight out in either 1 or 2 rounds of combat.

The Imperium competes with technology ,chaos with chaos technology.
The new Primaris Dreadnought will be a good match for the Dinobots of Chaos, something that before didn't have a counterpat into the Imperium (The Dreadknight I assume, but meh)

But if they are giving to the imperium all what chaos have (like the centurions as improved obliterators, the different primaris as improved clut marines and the new vehicles as improved chaos versions...).... then why dont give chaos something that marines have and they doesnt?


No mention the shame of lsot all what made chaos different from marines. But GW is a marine lover and we must asume

Franarok wrote:
But if they are giving to the imperium all what chaos have (like the centurions as improved obliterators, the different primaris as improved clut marines and the new vehicles as improved chaos versions...).... then why dont give chaos something that marines have and they doesnt?


No mention the shame of lsot all what made chaos different from marines. But GW is a marine lover and we must asume

Whell, Tzaangors, the Blight Drone, Marked Terminators and Chaos Marines, etc... Chaos has been receiveng a very good amount of things this past year, so they can't cry about it. They have been this past 2016-2017, with a big difference the faction with more releases of all of 40k.

Some people will say "b-b-but Thousands Sonds and Kharn and Death Guard and Two Primarchs aren't generic chaos!" they are Chaos. You can use them all in a Chaos Army. They aren't even Chaos Demon. They are all Chaos Space Marines related units.

Then we can add silence sisters, inquisitors, imperial guard, different chapters marines with their rules (like white scars bikes or deathwing terminators), the legion of the doomed, etc...

Bacuase that jsut wanted compare regular marines. Now will get a freaking amount of different primaris specialist (GW said more left) and vehicles.

Of course if they do the same for most other armies, then all is cool xDD

Franarok wrote:
Then we can add silence sisters, inquisitors, imperial guard, different chapters marines with their rules (like white scars bikes or deathwing terminators), the legion of the doomed, etc...

Bacuase that jsut wanted compare regular marines. Now will get a freaking amount of different primaris specialist (GW said more left) and vehicles.

Of course if they do the same for most other armies, then all is cool xDD

Yeah, we can add Adeptus Custodes and all the Heresy era plastic variants of Space Marines to the Space Marines releases from the 2016-2017 period. But even then I think they are behind Chaos. I don't remember any chapter-specific kit in the last year. Probably I'm wrong. I haven't really listed all the new kits releases in 2016 and 2017 to reach my conclusion, is just a impresion

Franarok wrote:
I thik this will do that SM are more powerful, with more powerful character and will have more powerful vehicles (we already saw new dread and a pic with a new tank) than caos

Including cult marines, since there are primaris better than plague marines (with no feel no pain but with same T and several wounds and cool equip and chapter rules)

And if primaris are better than cult marines...no mention how a estandar chaos marine will look....they will be like little dolls xD


So the primaris stuff only will make stronger the marines. Sad since the point was chaos was the one who plays powerful and scary stuff, being clear that accepting the Gods will make you stronger and scary........ But now result that space marines are way superior in everything..... A kick on the lore's balls

Can't find the leak to quote it but I'm sure one of them said Chaos will have access to the Primaris Marines and their stuff.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

Franarok wrote:
I thik this will do that SM are more powerful, with more powerful character and will have more powerful vehicles (we already saw new dread and a pic with a new tank) than caos

Including cult marines, since there are primaris better than plague marines (with no feel no pain but with same T and several wounds and cool equip and chapter rules)

And if primaris are better than cult marines...no mention how a estandar chaos marine will look....they will be like little dolls xD


So the primaris stuff only will make stronger the marines. Sad since the point was chaos was the one who plays powerful and scary stuff, being clear that accepting the Gods will make you stronger and scary........ But now result that space marines are way superior in everything..... A kick on the lore's balls

Can't find the leak to quote it but I'm sure one of them said Chaos will have access to the Primaris Marines and their stuff.

no, someone asked them if they could, and IIRC their response was "well you never know what the chaos gods are cooking up" my guess is they won't have Primaris Marines, but GW'll feel more comfortable really upping the ante for some really wickedly mutaed chaos stuff, I'd like to see them redo possed in a manner truely worthy of them.

If something, legions made regular csm superior to regular marines. It's the extra marine toys like grav, formations, magic and insane deathstars that made them so good. But if you take a death guard marine with t5, fnp, fearless and relentless for 17(?) pts, you'll see how much better he is than a 14 pts tactical with chapter tactics.

 koooaei wrote:
If something, legions made regular csm superior to regular marines. It's the extra marine toys like grav, formations, magic and insane deathstars that made them so good. But if you take a death guard marine with t5, mon, fearless and relentless for 17(?) pts, you'll see how much better he is than a 14 pts tactical with chapter tactics.

yeah, I think thats worth noting, space Marines wheren't doing so good because thier minis where all inheriantly good, but due to some, admittingly cheesy, synergies

It's hard to tell if csm get a scale update either. But i think that they'll eventually come to it.