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2017/06/10 19:45:05
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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So in case you haven't seen the leak that detailed how the Baal Campaign ends, it mentioned that the Lamenters were the only chapter that was unable to come to the Blood Angels' aid. Do you think they're dead? Are they even able to be contacted by Guilliman's crusade to be reinforced by Primaris Marines? I kind of like the idea that the chapter that needed the Primaris Marines the most was too weak to even show up for them. They could just be dead, though. It wouldn't really be too different from that other option.
Or they could just get Primaris marines and we get to see another grim dark element of the setting be wiped away.
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2017/06/10 19:59:52
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Nids ate a lot of them. It is unclear whether they still exist as a functional chapter.
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2017/06/10 20:07:10
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Being as my CSM army fluff is based off the remaining lamenters, I certainly hope they are almost wiped out.
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2017/06/10 20:51:46
Subject: Re:The Fate of the Lamenters
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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given that this is a hard luck chapter it's possiable they just took a wrong turn at Albequirquie and missed the fight
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2017/06/10 23:14:12
Subject: Re:The Fate of the Lamenters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Probably figured they'd do more harm than good turning up.
Maybe they should join Chaos to sabotage them with ill-fortune?
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2017/06/10 23:33:36
Subject: Re:The Fate of the Lamenters
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Grey Knight Psionic Stormraven Pilot
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They were eaten by the Nids.
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2017/06/11 07:38:29
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Lamenters being out of contact with the Blood Angels isn't a new development.
Dante was unable to contact them prior to the events of Red Fury when he wanted them to donate some of their neophytes to the Blood Angels alongside the other successors.
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2017/06/13 03:19:19
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I suspect some survive, but not in any fighting shape as a chapter.
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2017/06/13 04:07:11
Subject: Re:The Fate of the Lamenters
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Stormin' Stompa
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Think its out of the question to paint up Primaris as the Lamentors?
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2017/06/13 04:17:16
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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The Lamenters barely exist as a Chapter anymore. I suspect that they'll be assimilated by the Blood Angels instead of getting a bunch of Primaris Marines.
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2017/06/13 05:05:25
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Tactical_Spam wrote:The Lamenters barely exist as a Chapter anymore. I suspect that they'll be assimilated by the Blood Angels instead of getting a bunch of Primaris Marines.
Well considering it is stated they were resurrecting destroyed chapters with Primus marines.. I would see no reason why they wouldn't get them or be absorbed into the Blood Angels (once contact was re-established)
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2017/06/13 06:35:56
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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They probably tried to make it, but knowing their luck....
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2017/06/16 11:22:17
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Til the new fluff comes out. Theyre all but destroyed.
Theres a few in the death watch. But thats about it.
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2017/06/16 15:47:05
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes
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I would imagine that the Lamenters will be rebuilt with Primaris Marines.
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2017/06/16 15:51:41
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Dakka Veteran
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Well Id think theyd just be BA then.
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2017/06/16 15:57:33
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Why? They've already pointed out that they have been rebuilding lost Chapters with Primaris Marines. Those scattered few in the Deathwatch, and possibly even those survivors of their Penitence Crusade could teach the Primaris how they operate. Not the whole "We get screwed because we are unlucky." But they could show how willing they are to sacrifice for the Imperium.
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2017/06/16 16:14:49
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Dakka Veteran
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So generic BA then.
Cawl says he has reduced the flaws in Ba and SW. So the thing that made the lambs, Lambs wouldnt even be there anymore.
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2017/06/16 16:39:50
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Well rules wise they are just generic BA, so I dont know what you want. Fixing the geneseed doesn't have to mean they are no longer unlucky. They could just think they fixed it, like how they thought they had fixed the curse of the Blood Angels only to later be hit by it hard.
Things can go good for them for a time and then boom, fate intervenes again and they are hit with the unlucky stick. Give them the glimmer of hope, before dashing it. Its basic story telling.
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2017/06/18 19:37:56
Subject: Re:The Fate of the Lamenters
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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In relation to 'fixing' the Lamenters unluckiness, I don't think there should be any reason for it to be fixed by Cawl's process, because I don't believe it really is luck acting on the Lamentors - it's just perceived unluckiness.
We know that during the reorganisation of the Legions, certain chapters of the Imperial Fists were divvied up due to the characteristics of the marines - the Crimson Fists were the level headed, the Black Templars were the most zealous and the IF were the most loyal. Similarly, in the Blood Angels split, the most ferocious became the Flesh Tearers. Now, fast forward to the Cursed Founding, when the geneseed was being selected to begin the founding of the Lamenters (Bearing in mind it starts with just one progenoid gland implanted and is expanded to 1000 over 55 years of successive implantation and harvesting in aspirants) it's my personal belief that the marine whose progenoid was selected may have been 100%stable, prime grade material, but just have had the personal characteristics of being perhaps over-cautious or had less tactical awareness or a whole host of other slight quirks that would appear as 'unlucky'. However these characteristics would be completely unknown to the Mechanicum when they selected it. Hence, when his progenoid was replicated and passed down through all the Lamentors - they appear as unlucky because they all share the characteristic quirks of this one first marine. Hence it isn't a 'flaw' that can be cured because it isn't a disease or a mutation - it's simply a unique arrangement of perfectly normal Space Marine DNA.
Similarly, it may be self-perpetuating - because of the initial slight tendancy towards 'unluckiness', they may also have a tendancy towards negative, cynical or dour attitudes, which leads them towards more misfortune, perpetuating the 'curse' myth amongst their ranks and increasing the tendancy towards negative, cynical or dour attitudes, which leads them towards more misfortune... see where I'm going with it?
All in all - Cawl may 'fix' the BA flaws and yet it would have no effect on the Un-Luck of the Lamenters, thus retaining their unique flavour.
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2017/06/23 19:08:42
Subject: The Fate of the Lamenters
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Dakka Veteran
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Well they wernt just BA, they were just red ultamarines. No rage,no flaw
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2017/06/28 16:46:04
Subject: Re:The Fate of the Lamenters
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Warpig1815 wrote: All in all - Cawl may 'fix' the BA flaws and yet it would have no effect on the Un-Luck of the Lamenters, thus retaining their unique flavour.
But it would, If every other chapter suddenly doesnt suffer any flaw. Which seems to passed down. They might have unlucky captain no 55's genes. But any new seed they get its back to 30k BA seed.
That thing, whatever it was inside, doesnt exists any more.Its been reset to BA standard, fresh out of the lab. No luck, no rage, no unluckness.
They must suffer a fate worse than death.
Being just red Ultramarines. Those poor bastards.
Guillimans like Hitler. End of HH, WW1. I want troops that can storm enemy positions, without getting blown to bits.
Deathwatch is what you were all supposed to be.
Now hes realized a bunch of firemen rushing around arent good enough.
Now he needs a mass of arse kickers.
Which is why hes still scribbling in his book. War changes man.
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