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2017/06/22 15:14:48
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Hi Chaps!
So I was having a peep at some of the spangly new Thousand Son's models on the GW website.
I couldn't help noticing that the Exalted Sorcerer models had mutations. I thought that the Rubric of Ahriman was supposed to make the TS immune to mutation, even those who were not turned into dust.
What gives?
Cheers
Kroem
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2017/06/22 15:23:04
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Dakka Veteran
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The Rubric halted the flesh-change, which was mutation via gene-seed. The Exalted Sorcerer's mutations come from gifts from Tzeentch.
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2017/06/22 17:43:11
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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As said before they're are generally gifts from Tzeetch, willing or not
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2017/06/22 17:54:22
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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GW forgets it's fluff I refuse to use the mutant ones
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2000 6000 with Reaver Titan guard 2k
2500 (imperial force)
2500 (trimming down in 8th)
TS 30k at 5k points
Yes I have a problem
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2017/06/22 18:30:09
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
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Lel, sounds like someone needs to read up on their fluff.
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2017/06/22 19:00:55
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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Yeah, I don't really like it either. Honestly, it seems after you and all your brothers were horrifically mutated, and all your brothers were horrifically "destroyed" in order to stop it, you'd be a bit hesitant to willing to mutate yourself, and if Tzeentch can mutate you anyway, it really takes away from the Rubric.
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2017/06/22 20:58:04
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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Tzeentch noticed they weren't changed enough, so he changed them some more.
It is the fluff, don't fight it with your head canon, you will only get disappointed.
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2017/06/22 21:13:39
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:Yeah, I don't really like it either. Honestly, it seems after you and all your brothers were horrifically mutated, and all your brothers were horrifically "destroyed" in order to stop it, you'd be a bit hesitant to willing to mutate yourself, and if Tzeentch can mutate you anyway, it really takes away from the Rubric.
mutation and a gift from your god are different things.
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2017/06/23 04:28:33
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fleshchange was due to corruption in the geneseed.
Post rubric mutation is due to corruption of the soul.
Remember, in the warp, metaphor is real and as such those who spend an extended amount of time in proximity to the warp come to resemble their inner monster.
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2017/06/23 08:17:35
Subject: Re:Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Thanks for the answers!
I see where everyone is coming from, that the source of the mutations is important.
I must admit though that I though the 'flesh change' was also caused by Tzeentch to trick the TS into worshipping him!
It does seem like splitting hairs though and I do think it detracts from the army's theme somewhat.
If I ever do get around to making my Sorcerers warband army one do I think I will stay away from them.
(Also does any one else think that the new thousand sons colour scheme is a bit rubbish? I much preferred the darker blue)
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2017/06/23 08:49:39
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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OgreChubbs wrote: Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:Yeah, I don't really like it either. Honestly, it seems after you and all your brothers were horrifically mutated, and all your brothers were horrifically "destroyed" in order to stop it, you'd be a bit hesitant to willing to mutate yourself, and if Tzeentch can mutate you anyway, it really takes away from the Rubric.
mutation and a gift from your god are different things.
Yeah, but they're still a warp-based body morphing anyhow. If the Sorcerers take on the gifts willingly it seems a bit silly seeing what they've gone through, or if as I believe they just get them from their work under Tzeentch, I'd think it would be horrifying to once again be morphed and changed, and they'd try prevent it, be it psychically or via the old Iron Warriors way.
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2017/06/23 09:12:14
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:OgreChubbs wrote: Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:Yeah, I don't really like it either. Honestly, it seems after you and all your brothers were horrifically mutated, and all your brothers were horrifically "destroyed" in order to stop it, you'd be a bit hesitant to willing to mutate yourself, and if Tzeentch can mutate you anyway, it really takes away from the Rubric.
mutation and a gift from your god are different things.
Yeah, but they're still a warp-based body morphing anyhow. If the Sorcerers take on the gifts willingly it seems a bit silly seeing what they've gone through, or if as I believe they just get them from their work under Tzeentch, I'd think it would be horrifying to once again be morphed and changed, and they'd try prevent it, be it psychically or via the old Iron Warriors way.
Or, they have become power-hungry madmen over the last ten millenia, realising that some mutations can be beneficial. They are not the same persons they were during the Horus Heresy.
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2017/06/23 15:06:55
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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It is one thing to manifest divine markings and forms upon your body as signs of your god's favor. It's completely another to transform into an unstable blob monster that will most likely only survive for the next few minutes.
Also, as for their color scheme, just pick another one. Wrath of Magnus has half a dozen different sub-sects and cabals that each have their own color schemes and yet are all Thousand Sons warbands.
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2017/06/23 15:13:32
Subject: Re:Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Kroem wrote:
I must admit though that I though the 'flesh change' was also caused by Tzeentch to trick the TS into worshipping him!
That's a strong contender for being true to be honest. It definitely fits Tzeentch's MO. There's also no implication that the Rubric made TSons immune from mutations at all. All it did was stop the Flesh Change (which, TBH, was probably indistinguishable from regular mutations). If it was all a Tzeentchian trick, the God could simply have stopped causing the mutations when they had had the desired effect (tricking the TSons into dusting most of their legion so he can have his army of automatons). After they're all well and truly in his power, he's free to mutate them again
tl;dr Tzeentch is a God. He can basically do what he wants for the most part.
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2017/06/23 16:08:42
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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The Conquerer
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Animus wrote:The Rubric halted the flesh-change, which was mutation via gene-seed.
Important to note this part. The Rubric halted the change, IIRC it did not reverse it. So if you had a mutation prior to it you were stuck. And then of course Tzeentch's meddling...
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2017/06/23 16:11:15
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Grey Templar wrote:Animus wrote:The Rubric halted the flesh-change, which was mutation via gene-seed.
Important to note this part. The Rubric halted the change, IIRC it did not reverse it. So if you had a mutation prior to it you were stuck. And then of course Tzeentch's meddling...
There's also the implication that it could start again. Note 'halted', not 'cured'...
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2017/06/23 23:30:58
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Grey Templar wrote:Animus wrote:The Rubric halted the flesh-change, which was mutation via gene-seed.
Important to note this part. The Rubric halted the change, IIRC it did not reverse it. So if you had a mutation prior to it you were stuck. And then of course Tzeentch's meddling...
Hmmm, this is the first time in all my years of 40K a piece of Ksons or Tzeentch fluff intrigued me. I tried reading burning of Prospero but that whole opening with the wildlings was too much wyrdwolf skullblood murderhammer grimdark ridiculousness to continue reading and I've put up with almost every other HH Black Library book just fine.
Never really liked the Ksons aestetic (plus I'm a nurgle freak) but the Sons mutating like John Carpenter's Thing all over the place would make an interesting read.
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2017/06/24 14:44:04
Subject: Why do TS Exalted Sorcerers have mutations?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:OgreChubbs wrote: Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:Yeah, I don't really like it either. Honestly, it seems after you and all your brothers were horrifically mutated, and all your brothers were horrifically "destroyed" in order to stop it, you'd be a bit hesitant to willing to mutate yourself, and if Tzeentch can mutate you anyway, it really takes away from the Rubric.
mutation and a gift from your god are different things. Yeah, but they're still a warp-based body morphing anyhow. If the Sorcerers take on the gifts willingly it seems a bit silly seeing what they've gone through, or if as I believe they just get them from their work under Tzeentch, I'd think it would be horrifying to once again be morphed and changed, and they'd try prevent it, be it psychically or via the old Iron Warriors way.
Chaos corrupts. The Thousand Sons may have resisted mutation at first, but by now they have long since embraced the Warp and its gifts.
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