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Just came back from work and stumbled, by pure chance, on the news of the horrific terrorist attack in east London.
This is madness. I'm absolutely disgusted at this attack, and shocked at the fact that it took me this long to find out about it.
Where is John Tomlin? This man needs to be hunted down and neutralised right now!
Acid attack on two Muslim cousins in London being treated as hate crime
Metropolitan police say new evidence has come to light about attack in which Jameel Muhktar and Resham Khan suffered severe burns
An unprovoked acid attack on two Muslim cousins in east London is now being treated by police as a hate crime.
Jameel Muhktar and Resham Khan were attacked while sitting in a car at traffic lights in Beckton on the morning of 21 June while out celebrating Khan’s 21st birthday.
Both suffered severe burns to the face and body and Muhktar was initially placed in an induced coma.
The Metropolitan police named the suspected attacker as John Tomlin, 24, but initially ruled out a religious or racial motive for the crime.
However, the Met said on Friday night that new evidence had come to light, prompting them to investigate the assault as a hate crime.
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Acting DS Neil Matthews said police were treating the incident “very seriously”, adding: “
This investigation continues to move at great pace and my team continues to act on a number of leads to find Tomlin.
I would also appeal directly to Tomlin to make contact with police and hand himself in and would urge anyone who knows of his whereabouts to contact police.”
Both victims have been left with life-changing injuries. Speaking before police launched their hate crime investigation,
Mukhtar said he and his cousin had been targeted because of their religion. “It’s definitely a hate crime,” he told Channel 4 News.
“I believe it’s something to do with Islamophobia. Maybe he’s got it in for Muslims because of the things that have been going on lately.
“I don’t know if people are trying to retaliate. We’re innocent people. We didn’t deserve that. I’ve never seen this guy in my life.
I don’t have any problems with anybody. My cousin is 21. She’s a business student. Why would anyone do that to us?”
Mukhtar, 37, said that if the roles had been reversed and an Asian man had attacked an English couple with acid,
“the whole country knows it would be classed as a terror attack”. He described the constant pain he was experiencing as
like “somebody’s ironing me 24/7” and said he was an emotional wreck.
Mukhtar said that when a man knocked on the car window, at around 9.15am on 21 June, and sprayed the substance,
he thought it was a practical joke. But he then noticed that his cousin was burning, and started to feel his clothes and trainers melting on to his body.
In terror, he tried to drive off, but, temporarily blinded and in pain, he crashed. Screaming,
the pair stripped off and pleaded with local residents for water before being driven to a local hospital.
“When I went to the hospital, they had to jet-wash me with water to get the acid off,” said Mukhtar.
“It was excruciating pain. I was screaming like a baby. I’m petrified. I don’t know what’s going to happen.
I’m going to be scarred for life. I’m emotionally wrecked. I’m in continuous pain.”
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote: No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
I saw an interview done with him. This is barbaric, and whomever did it needs to rot in a prison. Why does there need to be such hate towards innocents?
feeder wrote: Frazz's mind is like a wiener dog in a rabbit warren. Dark, twisting tunnels, and full of the certainty that just around the next bend will be the quarry he seeks.
Wait, did we really just have a terrorist apologist come in here and say its okay to scar two innocent people physically and mentally for life, for the sole reason that they belong to one specific creed?
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote: No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Gentlemen, why are you feeding the troll? Catbugs posts and threads have been nothing but trolling across the board.
Ignore it.
Careful, the mods gave me a warning for being "impolite" (if you can imagine such a thing, especially reading some of this guy's posts), for calling this guy out for his troll behaviour.
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"We're on an express elevator to hell - goin' down!"
"Depends on the service being refused. It should be fine to refuse to make a porn star a dildo shaped cake that they wanted to use in a wedding themed porn..."
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Gentlemen, why are you feeding the troll? Catbugs posts and threads have been nothing but trolling across the board. Ignore it.
(Frazzled-suddenly possessed by Malfred) Gideon has the way of it. Back to topic guys. Lets leave off attacks on an entire religion and inversely responding to discussions of same. Whether or not people believe such, that is not appropriate for this forum.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Honestly, I think it's very relevant to this topic. These people were disfigured for life because some donkey-cave didn't like their religion, and that's the kind of attitude that did it. We shouldn't sweep it under the rug, we should see it for what it is.
Spinner wrote: Honestly, I think it's very relevant to this topic. These people were disfigured for life because some donkey-cave didn't like their religion, and that's the kind of attitude that did it. We shouldn't sweep it under the rug, we should see it for what it is.
I agree, hate is hate, and it shouldn't be tolerated here or anywhere else. Bigotry, prejudice, and ignorance come to mind immediately when BCB opens his mouth.
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"We're on an express elevator to hell - goin' down!"
"Depends on the service being refused. It should be fine to refuse to make a porn star a dildo shaped cake that they wanted to use in a wedding themed porn..."
Its a fair point but I think a Mod will have to opine, as its going to inflame quickly.
But lets step back even further. Even child molesters would not subject to extralegal punishment in the form of acid attack, and I would proffer the UK is not a fan of vigilante justice.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Acid seems to be a weapon of choice in towns these days.
When did maiming with no comeback become an option?
It's not as though acid has been hard to get hold of until recently.
Whatever happened to 'taking it outside'?
amanita wrote: So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?
Moktor wrote: No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
Skinnereal wrote: Acid seems to be a weapon of choice in towns these days.
When did maiming with no comeback become an option?
It's not as though acid has been hard to get hold of until recently.
Whatever happened to 'taking it outside'?
Probably because the guy wanted to permanently damage someone with the least amount of effort on his end and without exposing himself to danger, i.e: He's a coward and a hater.
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Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do.
Skinnereal wrote: Acid seems to be a weapon of choice in towns these days.
When did maiming with no comeback become an option?
It's not as though acid has been hard to get hold of until recently.
Whatever happened to 'taking it outside'?
Acid attacks are fairly common in some parts of the world where 'honour' means they can do this even to their own family. But it can be done to anyone who has upset someone, common reason is when a woman has rejected a man. Answer? Disfigure her for life. Then no one will want her. There's a woman in a recent BBC article that's been subjected to five such attacks.
Ouze wrote: I know they are common in India and Pakistan.
They happen occasionally in areas of London with high Indian/Pakistani etc populations. They aren't common in London, but it happens.
It still boggles my mind that a human being could do that to someone else. I mean, I can understand shooting someone, but acid just seems beyond.
It's the same culture/attitude where you restore family 'honour' by murdering your own kids because they married the wrong person. There is no understanding it, its psychotic and cruel, and based on a need for total control, usually over women.
The families and communities involved in such barbaric behaviour close ranks and are uncooperative with authorities. Look at some other stats. How else is it that something like 20,000 girls a year at at risk of FGM in the UK and 130,000 in Britain are suffering from the operation, yet I don't believe any prosecution have ever been made in the UK?
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n0t_u wrote: Or maybe because you have an Irish flag... thus would likely be an Irish citizen?...
Also someone needs to give Fraz back his mod powers, I'd like to see the dachshund legion fight for justice more openly again.
No one sees the Banhammer when its wielded by someone eight inches tall!
*So a tale to calm this place down. Pulled back Thursday either when attacked by by rampaging Klingons trying to steal ice cream from small children at a park or when getting out of car (I think it was the Klingons but the wife disagrees). Have to take dogs for walk whether I am walking wounded or not. Anyway fatty fatty likes to get picked up to be put in the car now. The wife helps leaving but going back there's a problem. I open the back car door because sometimes he'll still jump in there, but he just stood paws up in the door sill. The ancient mountain dog gets ticked off and tries to jump over him, but he's like 16 now and only partly makes it. His back legs are pinwheeling trying to get up (and I can't help like normally would) and he basically kicks the fat wiener dog right in the head and punts him for distance PUUGHH! I laughed so hard I had to take a vicodin when I got home.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Interestingly, there is an acid attack in a Sherlock Holmes short story from late Victorian era, so it isn't exactly a new idea in London.
They have been increasing in the UK recently, as we see in this example, not necessarily as Muslim on Muslim. All sorts of hate crime and racism have been increasing for some years.
IMO there are parallels between acid attacks on women and the attacks in which divorced white men murder their families, particularly their children. It's a hate/revenge crime.
Two men are the victim of horrible, senseless hate crime, and because they are Muslim some guy just has to come in with whackadoo talking points cribbed from the internet claiming Islam is terrible. The victims are largely forgotten around 5 posts in as the debate takes over. At least in this thread the attack against Islam was so absurd that the rest of dakka reacted appropriately to that one guy - I wish it was always that way, but it isn't. And I think this kind of thing is pretty representative of how a lot of people engage with Muslims, and that's a sad state of affairs.
I read a study recently that found, controlling for all other factors, that crimes with a Muslim victim are 4 to 5 times less reported than non-Muslim victims. There was a lot of subjectivity involved, of course, so people could probably spend forever debating the exact ratio, but it's impossible to argue against the overall conclusion.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I read a study recently that found, controlling for all other factors, that crimes with a Muslim victim are 4 to 5 times less reported than non-Muslim victims. There was a lot of subjectivity involved, of course, so people could probably spend forever debating the exact ratio, but it's impossible to argue against the overall conclusion.
That would jive with poor immigrant groups in the US as well - crimes are typically under-reported.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I really have nothing but awe for the kind of inner peace and strength she's clearly exhibiting. I can't imagine how I'd even begin to deal with something like that, and here she is making jokes about how the bastard destroyed her makeup.
I really have nothing but awe for the kind of inner peace and strength she's clearly exhibiting. I can't imagine how I'd even begin to deal with something like that, and here she is making jokes about how the bastard destroyed her makeup.
A gakky event with some positivist coming out of it. Sad it happened but the gakker who did it now has less of a fuzzy glow about them I reckon.
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