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Hi folks,

I've been trying to get my head around the background for my Ultramarines second company (very much WIP) and I can't seem to see any clear information about the squad numberings.

I know there's 6 tactical squads, 2 assault squads and 2 devastator squads and as such I would have assumed they went 1 - 6 tactical; 7 - 8 assault; and 9 - 10 devastator.

I found a couple of sources stating squads and numbers namely this page and this image but they don't seem to agree on the numbering. (Unless I'm missing something obvious!)

Does anyone know the numbers (and names if possible) of the squads?

What exactly has you confused?

The marines in the image exactly match your proposed numerical breakdown.

Actually, you're right they do match the basic numbering scheme, don't they.

The part that had me confused was the difference between the numbers and the names. For example Squad Vandar is first in the list on the page, making them squad 1; however, in the image Squad Vandar is shown as squad 5.

I guess I was wondering if there was any definitive answer as to what number goes with which squad?

I would recommend you base it on the image and not on the order as described in the wiki. If only because the article doesn't seem to even want to imply the squads have been listed in any particular order, while the marines with numbers visible are consistent.

The image itself looks like 5th edition to me, but I'm not sure. Predates the modern 'paint bucket in a vector drawing' style GW is going for these days but it is definitely from an official source.

Bear in mind that it's the Ultramarines 2nd company, the company with the colour scheme GW pushes the hardest and, consequently, appears in a lot of material in ways that break continuity- to the point where there are at least three different people alleged to be its captain in the tail-end of M41.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
I would recommend you base it on the image and not on the order as described in the wiki. If only because the article doesn't seem to even want to imply the squads have been listed in any particular order, while the marines with numbers visible are consistent.

The image itself looks like 5th edition to me, but I'm not sure. Predates the modern 'paint bucket in a vector drawing' style GW is going for these days but it is definitely from an official source.

Bear in mind that it's the Ultramarines 2nd company, the company with the colour scheme GW pushes the hardest and, consequently, appears in a lot of material in ways that break continuity- to the point where there are at least three different people alleged to be its captain in the tail-end of M41.

It is from at least 5th Ed, and the image is the most accurate way to detail it.

Also, there is only 1 canon Captain of the 2nd Company which is Sicarius. I'm not sure on rumours of Sicarius moving to 1st but I've not heard anything so I assume that means its unconfirmed. In which case any other alleged captain is just conjecture or non-canon (such as Captain Titus from Space Marine, for one)

In addition to Captain Titus, you also have Captain Severus from the Ultramarines movie, and, to a lesser extent, the AoBR captain who is supposed to be Cato Sicarius in all references elsewhere in the lore, but is clearly not Cato Sicarius.

Again, it's not a bad thing, it's just a funny observation.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
In addition to Captain Titus, you also have Captain Severus from the Ultramarines movie, and, to a lesser extent, the AoBR captain who is supposed to be Cato Sicarius in all references elsewhere in the lore, but is clearly not Cato Sicarius.

Again, it's not a bad thing, it's just a funny observation.

you're missing one. there's Captain Acheran Captain of the 2nd company. ref: the Primaris Marine mini-dex in Dark Imperium. And unlike the other cases you mentioned, this isn't a character in some lisenced product, or a mini painted up differantly. but a offical source that names someone differant.

My best guess is that as of "dark Imperium" Sicarius is no longer captain of the second comapny. and that he now leads the Victrix Guard, which is basicly the Primarchs own honor guard

Captain Agemman was also captain of the 2nd before Captain Invictus fell at the Battle of Macragge and he moved up to the first company. (ref. 3rd ed codex)

Every source I’ve seen is 1-6 tac, 7/8 assault, 9/10 dev for squad numbering.

As far as I'm concerned, Titus is way more canon than Sicarius, because he's cooler.

Titus and Sicarius do not need to be mutually exclusive. Maybe Titus was a previous commander of the 2nd company, before Sicarius.
Afaik, there is a book featuring Sicarius that refers to a 'Captain Titus' as one of Sicarius' predecessors. Could be coincidence, or it could be a nod to the Space Marine character.

Also, I agree Titus is way cooler than Sicarius.

Iron_Captain wrote:Titus and Sicarius do not need to be mutually exclusive. Maybe Titus was a previous commander of the 2nd company, before Sicarius.
Afaik, there is a book featuring Sicarius that refers to a 'Captain Titus' as one of Sicarius' predecessors. Could be coincidence, or it could be a nod to the Space Marine character.

Also, I agree Titus is way cooler than Sicarius.

Agemman was previous 2nd Captain, he was 2nd during the Battle for Macragge and became 1st when Invictus fell, and Sicarius moved from 5th to 2nd to replace him. Though he could be a much older Captain of the 2nd, maybe Agemman's predecessor. But the timings dont match because Titus references the Blood Raven's Aurelian Crusade which occurred way after Macragge.

Captain Joystick wrote:In addition to Captain Titus, you also have Captain Severus from the Ultramarines movie, and, to a lesser extent, the AoBR captain who is supposed to be Cato Sicarius in all references elsewhere in the lore, but is clearly not Cato Sicarius.

Again, it's not a bad thing, it's just a funny observation.

I dont think the Ultramarines movie is canon and I cant remember any specific event to time-place it. The AoBR captain is just an unnamed, he doesn't contradict. It could be Sicarius. Afterall, Sicarius' unique armour (Mantle of the Suzerain) was given when he became High Suzerain of Ultramar, and his crest was added later IIRC. AoBR was one of his first campaigns as 2nd Company so it stands to reason he didn't have all the honorifics and wargear he does in "present" day.

Captain Titus isn't canon either.

Sicarius is First Captain in the current timeline, Agemman is dead. Don't remember where I read that, though.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Captain Titus isn't canon either.

Sicarius is First Captain in the current timeline, Agemman is dead. Don't remember where I read that, though.

Not saying he is. My whole point was that there were multiple "2nd Captains" but only Sicarius is actually canon.

I heard different, that Agemman is severely injured and Calgar and Cassius don't know if he'll ever be the same again and are considering replacing him with Sicarius when Robby G wakes up.