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I'm sounding off here. And I'll do my best not to bother let alone overtax Dakka's swear filter.
But as a massively leftie, I'm sick of death of patriotism somehow being defined as how any different types of foreigners one can possibly hate, ideally backed up the flimsiest of flimsy 'evidence'.
You see, I love my country. I genuinely do. To my mind, there's nowhere better than Old Blighty. I recently completed a journey from Edinburgh, where I'd been seeing my family, back down to Royal Tunbridge Wells. And throughout the train journey too and from, I was awestruck at the sheer beauty of this sceptred isle.....even though I'm not at all sure how one defines a sceptred isle. Probably a Queen or a King and that.
But most of all, I enjoy the sheer variety of colour, creed and culture we've managed to squeeze into a pretty tiny island without spoiling its natural beauty.
I mean, that's no mean feat. We're a tiny little piss ant island on the arse end of nowhere, yet other countries look to us with envy.
Perhaps it's our NHS. Maybe it's our sheer amount of open, green space, with densely packed cities plopped down here and there. Even in the wildest of wilderness, you can find some hint of historical human habitation. Maybe it's a vague lump in the topography we're assured was a bronze or Stone Age settlement, or the more obvious and still more-or-less-upright-and-habitable-if-only-it-had-sodding-or-indeed-so-much-as-a-sod-roof shepherd's but. But for me, it's how Britain is, and ultimately has always been, a real melting pot of cultures.
Even before The Roman Era, we were awash with varying cultures, and it's been that way ever since. Whilst my ignorance on other countries is pretty much absolute, I do consider Britain and her Isles to be the original multicutural society. Yes we've done some horrific things historically, but we also very much shaped the modern world, for better or worse.
I mentioned Trains earlier, my preferred method of national travel? Yep. We did that. We also did the Telephone, Teevee, Interwebs, Tarmac, Pneumatic Tyres, modern medicine....there's an awful lot of be proud of amongst all the horrible, horrible things we did with alarming regularity.
Then there's the much vaunted 'Two World Wars And One World Cup' that Football 'Ooligans and Bullnecked Racist Bellends love to spout. Don't get me wrong, I don't give a flying monkey's about any sport. But two World Wars? Especially the second one? By absolutely no means did we do it single handed - and it's far from debatable that we as a Nation actually won that one (whoops, there goes the Empire!). But man. That just goes to show when the common man and woman in the streets of Britain decides 'right.....that's it. That's plenty. Time for you to stop, or else' we seriously mean it.
We're a bloody minded bunch, and I love all my country folk.
But.....despite your typical white bloke insensitivity, I don't consider myself a racist. I mean, I don't purposely pre-judge others because of their melanin count, gender, sexuality or chosen faith. It's that very variety that has helped make us. I mean, seriously. Our national dish is Chicken Tikka Massala, a tomato Rich curry, apocryphally, invented in Glasgow because some punter wanted a sauce on his Curry. We've even embraced the Vinadloo, a non-authentic dish, apocryphally invented by restaurant staff to take the piss out of bullnecked racists demanding the hottest thing on the menu. Mental!
See, without the various strands and strains making up our society, we'd be much diminished. We simply wouldn't be the folk we collectively are.
Yet Patriotism, much like the Union Flag (only a Union Jack when flown on a ship....) has been thoroughly hijacked by unthinking racists. After all, I can be a proud Scot (born in Scotland, hence the famalam trip), but anyone opening declaring a similar pride in being English or British will likely be seen as a screaming, Express reading, UKIP voting, EU hating, undereducated cock.
And that's not right. I say it's time for everyone, whether lefty, centrist, right or whatever to take that sense of national pride back from the likes of UKIP, Britain First and the EDL.
Being a patriot doesn't mean one is racist. But sadly, it seems being racist makes one an patriot, because they've been allowed to take that ground.
Rise up I say, rise up. Push our Poundland Fascists back to the fringes. Take back the ground they've laid claim to and reclaim for everyone in Britain, regardless of colour, creed or community. It's our Island. It belongs to all of us.
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I feel sorry for you and I fully understand your anger since the same concept can be applied in Italy too where being a patriot is considered the same thing as being a xenophobic fascist.
I think the problem lies in the shame and sense of guilt that many europeans have about our colonial past. Since our societies are multicultural, defending our roots and traditions is mostly seen as considering them superior than the different cultures and lifestyle people of foriegn origins may have.
Patriotism hijacked by racists is common in any western country and of course taking it back as a pillar of a modern and democratic society is something that must be fought for.
It just pisses me off that too many folk are scared to reclaim and redefine patriotism.
I mean, in the U.K. alone we outnumber the spankers by millions to one. Yet we seem reluctant to stand up and be counted.
And what a better world it would be if we did. Fascism and racism only pokes its pathetic little head above the parapet in the direst of circumstances. Imagine a world where patriotism was taken off them. One less string to their bullpoop bow of idiocy and small mindedness. They only have so many places to hide and fester, yet we allow them those refuges.
Let's consider refugees and 'illegal' immigrants. As a European born in Britain of all places, lord alone knows I've little enough reason to piss and whine about 'bloody foreigners, coming over here, taking our stuffs'...we're the past masters of doing that very same thing.
It wasn't cool then. At all, but right now, it's not even remotely true. I find it frankly impossible to conceive that anyone would leave their life behind them, pay thousands to be smuggled across borders just because they can get £70 or so a week in benefits.
I don't know how to start a mass movement, but right here, and right now, I'm planting my own standard.
Massive hairy elephant bollocks to the hard right. This is my country. It's the country of my forefathers and foremothers. And I say all are welcome. It's only land after all, and a bloody stable one we built out of centuries of god awful, unforgivable acts. How can we for a second dare to keep others out of our ultimately quite arbitrary borders?
Yes, there'll be arseholes amongst them. But then we have arseholes all our own. If we started trusting and respecting each other as human beings perhaps we'd leave the criminal butt stains fewer and fewer things to exploit and turn a profit from.
We've got the space. We've got the money. Why don't we extend a hand of friendship?
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I think you're conflating patriotism with nationalism.
Not only that, there's something suspiciously un-English about being patriotic. It's all well and good for the Welsh/Irish/Scots to trumpet about with flags and suchlike, but I can't help but feel that an intrinisic part of being English is not doing all that sort of over the top celebratory chest-beating stuff. Feels a bit gauche.
Reclaimed or not, patriotism remains ultimately divisive, inherently pitting arbitrary groups against each other. Taking pride in the achievments of one's ideals, sure, that makes sense. Taking pride in being part of a population of a certain geographical area just makes me go "wut?" and scratch my head.
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It's not that he's conflating patriotism with nationalism; it's that patriotism has been conflated with nationalism by the nationalists. Which isn't a UK-only problem, but it is an intensely frustrating one.
It's all well and good for the Welsh/Irish/Scots to trumpet about with flags and suchlike,
We dont trumpet it. We celebrate it.
If living in Eire and travelling to the UK every year for 10 years has taught me is, that sadly there is a distinct part of England that does not only trumpet their nationalism, they shove it down the Scots/Welsh and even Irish throats. RoI 1949 much?
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I personally don't think Racism has ever had a part to play in British patriotism (at least for the last 100 or so years). I come from a very old fashioned working class British family and, from what I can tell, racism in this country is quite a modern and somewhat American thing.
I remember my Grandfather telling me stories about his time in the British Navy during WWII, how he and many other British soldiers were shocked to find out just how racist the Americans were (he and his friends used to go to the American bars and start fights to beat up those who were racist and A-holes and the best part was that the American military police would then arrest the Americans for getting into a fight on the base), my Great-Great Aunt also used to refuse the American officers their meals until the black American soldiers got their food.
More recently, my Mother told me about the time she went to America in the 80s: she got swamped at a bar by Yanks asking her questions (Lanceshire accent is a bit unusual) and she was quite surprised to find someone tell her off for talking with a Black man at the bar, she quite quickly told the Man wear he could stick his suggestion.
In todays world, I keep hearing about all these racists and extremists but I have yet to meet them. The closest thing that came to ever meeting someone racist was a Black friend I used to know who would make the occasional 'racist' joke. Maybe it's a southern thing? As a Northerner, myself and my family have never known Britain as being racist, only an extremely multicultural nation that loves it's foreign cuisene.
(Someone will come along and tell me how sheltered I am now, won't they?)
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It's all well and good for the Welsh/Irish/Scots to trumpet about with flags and suchlike,
We dont trumpet it. We celebrate it.
If living in Eire and travelling to the UK every year for 10 years has taught me is, that sadly there is a distinct part of England that does not only trumpet their nationalism, they shove it down the Scots/Welsh and even Irish throats. RoI 1949 much?
The only people I've ever seen poncing about in flags and talking about the greatness of English society I've ever seen are the EDL nutters being referred to above.
Frankly, I'm quite content to leave them the pleasure of over the top patriotism. Makes it easier to identify them. That's without even going into the whole thing of how feeling 'proud' to be English still feels like one of the most un-English things to do these days. It's like learning the names of all the Presidents or saluting the flag or having a picture of the current Royal on the wall. Over the top public displays of facile contrived emotion in favour of a random geographic area/government just seems so...well, vulgar, I suppose. Diana's death was bad enough, and most of that was exaggerated by the media desperate for something to fill the pages.
I understand that other cultures go in for that sort of malarkey, and that's entirely fine, we're all different. Wouldn't judge someone from a different locale indulging in it if that's how they've been raised. But the minute a fellow Englishman starts talking about great being English is, how we should all be proud of it and celebrate it....well, that's the point I politely excuse myself to get another pint and don't come back.
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Yeah. Patriotism is liking your country and culture because is yours. Nationalism is liking it because you consider it better than everyone else.
I don't consider Spain the best country in the world. Better than others in some aspects, worse than others in other aspects. But is my country. If I don't like and embrace his culture and history, who is gonna do it?
That doesn't mean don't being objetive and critizise is own flaws (It has a LOT).
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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mrhappyface wrote: I personally don't think Racism has ever had a part to play in British patriotism (at least for the last 100 or so years). I come from a very old fashioned working class British family and, from what I can tell, racism in this country is quite a modern and somewhat American thing.
World Football's Alan Green talks exclusively to England legend John Barnes about his personal struggles with racism...
John Barnes fought through the racist abuse he suffered to become arguably the most successful black English player of all time. He told me about some of his personal experiences.
I remember as far back as 1981 playing at places like Millwall and West Ham when you'd get the usual monkey noises and bananas being thrown onto the pitch" he said.
"It was almost an accepted part of society so not very much was made of it. I considered them to be ignorant, so I never responded to it because I thought they would have won if it had affected my game.
"There has been a big deal made of it recently, but it would have been nice if they'd done that twenty years ago!
"I suppose the most famous incident was in 1987 or 1988 when I was playing for Liverpool against Everton and I back-heeled a banana off the pitch. Because Liverpool v Everton was a very high-profile game a lot was made of it, but that sort of thing had been going on for years and years" he said.
As Barnes' profile increased, so did the abuse.
"The more high-profile I got the more the media became interested" he said.
"I remember in 1984 when I was playing for England against Brazil and there was a group of National Front supporters on the plane with us who were supposedly coming out to support England. The South Americans couldn't understand the abuse I was getting from them. It was an unpleasant situation".
"I don't think the situation has gone away or improved. It's just got quieter. If you tell a racist that for 90 minutes on a Saturday or Wednesday night that they have to keep their mouth shut, and the other six days and 22 hours they can be a racist, I don't see how that's doing anything to stop racism.
"Football does what it can" said Barnes.
"We will know we have made great strides when we see more black and Asian supporters going to football matches, because while football can protect you for 90 minutes from overt racism - slogans and chanting - those fans still have to walk away from the stadiums and onto the bus and that's where they don't feel safe.
"I don't think footballers get the abuse they once did, but I don't think anything's changed in terms of the racism that exists in this country generally" he said.
"And football is a part of society, so I don't see why it should change in football".
I think maybe it's been less violent , generally, than it has been in the USA -- but again the circumstances are different in so many ways.
When I was a student I was vaguely acquainted with a FOAF black american exchange student whose overall thoughts on the situation can roughly be described as seeing the rascism in the UK as being somewhat softer, almost patronising at times, compared with what he saw/had seen back in the USA. It only really stuck in my mind as Reginald Hunter made sorta similar comments a few years back on HIGNFY.
(Someone will come along and tell me how sheltered I am now, won't they?)
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Reclaimed or not, patriotism remains ultimately divisive, inherently pitting arbitrary groups against each other. Taking pride in the achievments of one's ideals, sure, that makes sense. Taking pride in being part of a population of a certain geographical area just makes me go "wut?" and scratch my head.
We can say the same thing about religion but I don't see many people that consider religion itself as something negative that divides groups with different cultures, even if it's clearly true as all pacific religious groups want to live among themselves. Taking pride in being part of a group of a certain religion makes me scratch my head just like you about patriotism
But I agree with Ketara, nationalism and patriotism are very different things, the first one is related to racism and xenophobia, not the latter.
When I was a student I was vaguely acquainted with a FOAF black american exchange student whose overall thoughts on the situation can roughly be described as seeing the rascism in the UK as being somewhat softer, almost patronising at times, compared with what he saw/had seen back in the USA. It only really stuck in my mind as Reginald Hunter made sorta similar comments a few years back on HIGNFY.
I remember that!
Always been a fan of Mr Hunter.
(Someone will come along and tell me how sheltered I am now, won't they?)
I think maybe it's been less violent , generally, than it has been in the USA -- but again the circumstances are different in so many ways.
When I was a student I was vaguely acquainted with a FOAF black american exchange student whose overall thoughts on the situation can roughly be described as seeing the rascism in the UK as being somewhat softer, almost patronising at times, compared with what he saw/had seen back in the USA. It only really stuck in my mind as Reginald Hunter made sorta similar comments a few years back on HIGNFY.
(Someone will come along and tell me how sheltered I am now, won't they?)
Powell > Rivers of blood etc etc ?
Does any of the softer racism have anything to do with the fact that they're American, Australian, etc.? Whilst I've never met anyone who was racist, I have met people who are a bit hard on Americans, Europeans, etc. and I wonder whether African Americans may come over and take someone as being racist when they just don't like Americans that much (not much better I know, just a different kind of prejudice).
As I said, I'm probably sheltered. Still a young pup compared to some of the older Dakkanaughts, I still have much to learn.
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djones520 wrote: I love how this is an American problem, when racism is, and has always been, widespread throughout Europe.
Around the world actually
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Indeed. I was recently (as in, last tuesday) told that because I live in Canada, I'm not allowed to speak "asian", even privately to my own family. A random guy was so offended that he could not understand my own private conversation (which had nothing to do with him since he was on the other side of the restaurant and we didn't even know he existed) that he felt the need to not only come up to tell us this, but to inform us that we should either "speak english or get out of (his) country".
The guy bolted the moment we called the manager. I later called the police and when they found him (the police wanted to do this. At that point I had calmed down and didn't want to be a bother anymore), he told the police I was the one commiting a crime for being asian and that it was his patriotic duty to ensure the purity of the land.
This is in Canada btw, the land of maplesyrup grannies and grandpas who are too polite to even borrow a cup of sugar.
Sometimes I'm disappointed in the human race in that the only concepts that seem to have no border or limitation is how much we can hate another for inane factors we can't control.
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Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do.
It's actually scary you were able to sick the police on him for his thought crime.
The Texas response would be just to run him over with your longhorn herd.*
*Translation I apologize on behalf of all humans for his boorish behavior.
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Not in the US it ain't. Well outside of universities and San Fran.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Actually the police didn't charge him with a crime. They just wanted to, in the officer's words, speak with him. Again, I was just reporting because I had to talk to someone, I wasn't actually expecting them to do anything other than give me an annoyed grunt (I outlined as much in my email to them).
According to the officer, they wanted to speak to him before it "escaladed". I think it's because we've been having a rash of hate crimes around here and they're just trying to nip it in the bud (we had a few vandalized mosques and arson cases all apparently targeting the muslim population, technically that is hate against a different people than me but I guess they're lumping it all in the same category).
Also Harassment is kinda weird in that there's a fine line between yelling curse words at people and legitimately harming them. I guess if the guy started following me to my car, then it would be a criminal offense (since he won't leave me alone). As it stands, he technically hasn't done anything wrong in the eyes of the law, just said something incredibly offensive. The officer did say if he does it again it would be criminal mischief or something.
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Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do.
I think that's more a Police have a stern word, don,t be a dick again case.
Not a jail time gig.
Just a, don,t be stupid. If you do hurt someone or comit a crime doing so. Then you will be in the creek with no paddle.
Sometimes a warning is ernough to stem future issues in the bud before the hateful flower comes forth.
And ninjad....
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Galas wrote: Yeah. Patriotism is liking your country and culture because is yours. Nationalism is liking it because you consider it better than everyone else.
Which really isn't a problem by itself. Thinking your country is the best in the world is fine, and I would expect everybody who labels themselves a Patriot thinks that to some extent. It's what you do after that that makes it bad or good.
If your Nationalism becomes something where you want to dominate other countries, that is when it can become a bad thing. Its not the Nationalism that is to blame, its what you are doing with it. Nationalism is just being extremely devoted to your country, perhaps excessively so, but that's not a bad thing. It may be irrational or silly, but it's not inherently evil.
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Galas wrote: Yeah. Patriotism is liking your country and culture because is yours. Nationalism is liking it because you consider it better than everyone else.
Which really isn't a problem by itself. Thinking your country is the best in the world is fine, and I would expect everybody who labels themselves a Patriot thinks that to some extent. It's what you do after that that makes it bad or good.
If your Nationalism becomes something where you want to dominate other countries, that is when it can become a bad thing. Its not the Nationalism that is to blame, its what you are doing with it. Nationalism is just being extremely devoted to your country, perhaps excessively so, but that's not a bad thing. It may be irrational or silly, but it's not inherently evil.
Nationalism is pretty much a mental problem, unless you're a Texan of course, in which case it is just the humble truth...
Frazzled wrote: It's actually scary you were able to sick the police on him for his thought crime.
The Texas response would be just to run him over with your longhorn herd.*
*Translation I apologize on behalf of all humans for his boorish behavior.
Disturbing the peace is a crime.
That wouldn't work in the US.
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mrhappyface wrote:I personally don't think Racism has ever had a part to play in British patriotism (at least for the last 100 or so years). I come from a very old fashioned working class British family and, from what I can tell, racism in this country is quite a modern and somewhat American thing.
No blacks, no Irish, no dogs. Rivers of Blood. Athems like God Save The Queen and Rule, Britannia (at leasts some versions of the former, anyway). Restrictions on royal marriages. The Aliens Restriction Act. The slave trade. We've a long tradition of racism and bigotry. Open, public descrimination was entirely legal until 1965.
I had a history professor who was from the Congo and at some point relocated to France to live there and go to school. While he had good stories of Europe he also had ones dealing with the racism there.
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djones520 wrote: Yeah, being an donkey-cave, for the sake of being an donkey-cave, is not "disturbing the peace" in any definition I can find in the US.
Depends. In Texas, for example, disorderly conduct includes abusing or threatening a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner as well as abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language or gestures that tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. So if 6 jurors (or 1 JP) determine that said jerk is abusing a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner, it would be.
djones520 wrote: Yeah, being an donkey-cave, for the sake of being an donkey-cave, is not "disturbing the peace" in any definition I can find in the US.
Depends. In Texas, for example, disorderly conduct includes abusing or threatening a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner as well as abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language or gestures that tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. So if 6 jurors (or 1 JP) determine that said jerk is abusing a person in a public place in an obviously offensive manner, it would be.
You need to be a right donkey-cave and repeatedly for it ro get to criminal charges.
99 our of 100 police warn someone off and they have ernoigh brains to agree that ending up in cells ain't worth it.
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