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The Askellon Sector existed before the Great Crusade reclaimed the Galaxy for the Imperium, yet it acquiesced to Imperial Rule when a Space Marine Legion and Crusade Fleet arrived in the sector.

Considering this is the Northwest of the Galaxy (above the Eye etc.) which Space Marine Legion could or would it have been?



Thanks.

given that the space marine homeworld closest to it is Medusa, the Iron Hands strike me as likely. on the other Hand we know the word bearers where in the region, maybe it was them?


really about the only Legion I'd say we can conclude it likely WASN'T was the Ultramarines.

Where does this map come from ? I can't believe every sector has been named by GW. Is it an official map ?

No that is not an official map. Those sectors are far too large.

The average sector, as described in the BFG rulebook, is a cube of space 200 light years a side.

Yeah it's not official, I was just trying to show the relative position of the sector in the galaxy.

Doing a bit of research myself; Lorgar found the eye yet two expeditions we know of went further North - Horus, Alpha Legion and Night Lords went to deal with a rogue empire in the Halo Stars and the 7th Expeditionary Fleet of Dark Angels got to the Grail Abyss (further to the West of North West).

I was just hoping for something definitive in relation to who actually arrived in Askellon but it seems to just be conjecture.

The other thing to consider is that due to warp travel the 'map' of the Imperium as actually travelled doesn't map to the physical galactic map.

Bear with me here.

The actual methods of travel for the Imperium are via warp-routes that are stable. The relative stability of a warp route determines how easy (and usually how swiftly) you can travel to a place, which is divorced somewhat from its actual distance in realspace. So, the relative 'closeness' of a system to another system is mainly determined by the stability of the warp-route between them.

Have you ever seen those pictures of people that map how sensitive each part of us is? The ones with the massively distended hands and heads that look like people but grossly out of proportion. If you apply the above to a galactic map that's what you come out with for the galactic map. A map of the stars, but plotted out without much relation to their physical distance so some distant stars will be much 'closer' than some close ones, distending various bits of the galaxy.

That's the first weird bit.

The second weird bit is that as the warp doesn't give two hoots about physical laws, there's no real 'mapping' of it to the physical universe. You can't say with any certainty that if you pop into the warp at point X, move 300 metres west and pop back out that you'll be 300 metres west of where you started. You can't even really say that you'll even be west of where you started.

So, it's perfectly justifiable that a Legion could set off towards the galactic north, take a couple of small warp jumps and wind up somewhere radically different, just because that's where the currents of the warp take them. Hence why you can't assume that any one sector was conquered by a Legion just because it's right next to another sector that was conquered by them, let alone if it was only in the rough direction of where they went. From a Legion's perspective their trajectory would be linear. From a galactic perspective it's all over the place.

Hence why we need Navigators and the Astronomican to navigate the warp. It's a mindbending place to travel through...

Also, it explains how you can have multiple empires occupying what appears to be the same physical space on a galactic map. It's because borders don't work the same as physical borders.

You could have the Imperium in a system that's right next to a major Ork Empire, slap-bang in the middle of Segmentum Solar. Yet, if there's no stable warp-route, neither of them are aware of the other and each 'Empire' occupies the same space.

The Imperium is also more like a series of oases separated by vast swathes of wilderness space. All sorts of things from xenos empires to non-Imperial human societies can exist in these unknown areas. Even the space within sectors is mostly wilderness space. The Imperium also reclassifies sectors it has lost to once again be wilderness space. In fact I would think the Imperium would do such a reclassification to any place that successfully rebelled and fought off Imperial counterattacks: Purge all records and pretend the place never existed. Can't have the idea of successful rebellion leaking out.

Iracundus wrote:
The Imperium is also more like a series of oases separated by vast swathes of wilderness space. All sorts of things from xenos empires to non-Imperial human societies can exist in these unknown areas. Even the space within sectors is mostly wilderness space. The Imperium also reclassifies sectors it has lost to once again be wilderness space. In fact I would think the Imperium would do such a reclassification to any place that successfully rebelled and fought off Imperial counterattacks: Purge all records and pretend the place never existed. Can't have the idea of successful rebellion leaking out.

Perfect analogy I'd been looking for one but came up short myself.

Very good points