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Just a quick question, is there anywhere in the codex'es that specify that a unit has to be painted in the chapter specific colours to gain the bonuses? I don't have the space marine/CSM codex's so not sure if it is enforced.

For instance I have over 10k points of necrons painted in the Nihilakh scheme, and by the looks of the codex releases, cron's are going to have dynasty specific rules. Will I be forced to take a potentially subpar/OP set of bonuses due to how I painted my army? Or can i just specify that they are Mynarkh for instance to try out different bonuses/combos?

Also is it enforced in tournaments (in general)?

No. Paintjob has literally zero effect on rules in 40k. It did in Fantasy, but not 40k.

Anyone who gets angry you're running your Ultramarines as Blood Angels or Salamanders that day is in my opinion not someone worth playing. As long as it's 100% clear what every unit is, go nuts.

You pick whatever keywords you want and put it on your army list pre-game.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
No. Paintjob has literally zero effect on rules in 40k. It did in Fantasy, but not 40k.

Anyone who gets angry you're running your Ultramarines as Blood Angels or Salamanders that day is in my opinion not someone worth playing. As long as it's 100% clear what every unit is, go nuts.

You pick whatever keywords you want and put it on your army list pre-game.

What affect did paint job have in Fantasy in what edition? I don't remember that. I even had unit fillers in a lot of my units in fantasy, no one ever did anything but compliment them.

 argonak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
No. Paintjob has literally zero effect on rules in 40k. It did in Fantasy, but not 40k.

Anyone who gets angry you're running your Ultramarines as Blood Angels or Salamanders that day is in my opinion not someone worth playing. As long as it's 100% clear what every unit is, go nuts.

You pick whatever keywords you want and put it on your army list pre-game.

What affect did paint job have in Fantasy in what edition? I don't remember that. I even had unit fillers in a lot of my units in fantasy, no one ever did anything but compliment them.

The Kharadon Overlords I think where the rule said they had to be painted the correct way. I don't remember exactly.

Edit: Asked a friend to check, gave me this screenshot https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295383478034366474/347635984516644865/Screenshot_20170817-000107.png

It's not required but it's good manners to use the bonus of the chapter/legion/dynasty that your army is painted, just to show that you are playing for fun and not power playing and also to make it easier for your opponant to be able to look at your list and know strait away what army you have.

Generally speaking barring Space Marines most players won't even know different subfaction paint schemes. Even then Blood Angels (red), Ultramarines (blue), White scars (white) - its all dead simple colour "requirements".


But yes in the end unless you're mixing chapters so long as you tell your opponent they really shouldn't care at all.

Yeah, I know its been a powergaming thing for the factions that it mattered to previously (space marines basically) but now it appears its going to be across more armies. I was just hoping I wasn't going to be penalised for not seeing into the future

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 argonak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
No. Paintjob has literally zero effect on rules in 40k. It did in Fantasy, but not 40k.

Anyone who gets angry you're running your Ultramarines as Blood Angels or Salamanders that day is in my opinion not someone worth playing. As long as it's 100% clear what every unit is, go nuts.

You pick whatever keywords you want and put it on your army list pre-game.

What affect did paint job have in Fantasy in what edition? I don't remember that. I even had unit fillers in a lot of my units in fantasy, no one ever did anything but compliment them.

The Kharadon Overlords I think where the rule said they had to be painted the correct way. I don't remember exactly.

Edit: Asked a friend to check, gave me this screenshot https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295383478034366474/347635984516644865/Screenshot_20170817-000107.png

Age Of Sigmar and Fantasy are different things.

Fantasy/AOS are interchangeable at present as there is no other official fantasy line from GW. AOS is a fantasy game but it might not be the Fantasy Warhammer of old.


That said its honestly the first time I've seen GW suggest that paint schemes are important and would be most overlook it. Heck totally custom paint schemes are often encouraged.

Marines are little different in that they don't just have different schemes but specific models unique in appearance to each subfaction. Other races just don't have this or they might have the odd symbol here and there at best.

Go make a custom chapter for yourself and paint it however you want. Go nuts.

 Overread wrote:
Fantasy/AOS are interchangeable at present as there is no other official fantasy line from GW. AOS is a fantasy game but it might not be the Fantasy Warhammer of old.

AoS isn't Warhmmer Fantasy.

Some wounds never heal.

 BaconCatBug wrote:


Edit: Asked a friend to check, gave me this screenshot https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295383478034366474/347635984516644865/Screenshot_20170817-000107.png

Bloody hell! That is mindbreakingly stupid!

As has been stated: Paint scheme is irrelevant in a game in which you DONT EVEN HAVE TO PAINT YOUR MINIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Although it does add to the experience and is greatly appreciated when you do paint your minis. You'll likely get more games in because of this.

As for painting an army in its <Chapter tactic> equivalent paint scheme: There is a thing called Successor Chapters which come in a wide variety of colors that can often vary greatly from their parent Legion. Ultramarines alone have so many Successors that you could paint your Marines literally any color and still use the <Ultramarines> keyword and corresponding rules.

I'd imagine that same could be said of other races, like Necron Dynasties and Eldar Craftworlds. You can just say you are a splinter faction of one of those.

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 Crimson wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:


Edit: Asked a friend to check, gave me this screenshot https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295383478034366474/347635984516644865/Screenshot_20170817-000107.png

Bloody hell! That is mindbreakingly stupid!

That's from the hobby section of the book, not the rules.

 mrhappyface wrote:
It's not required but it's good manners to use the bonus of the chapter/legion/dynasty that your army is painted, just to show that you are playing for fun and not power playing and also to make it easier for your opponant to be able to look at your list and know strait away what army you have.

I just don't understand this attitude at all, it smacks of telling people they are having fun wrong and has made me and about 1/2 the people I play with just paint our things in generic colours (my marines are bronze), instead of the colour scheme that may have been desired. One of my friends wanted to paint her guys as white scars, but due to the above attitude, it's just not worth it, as she would just get grief because changing up what chapter traits and things you are using is fun for her - as it is for me and many others!

I also find that a reasonable portion of people who require you show you are 'playing for fun and not powerplaying' are not very good sports. It seems to come along with fun policing and 'casual at all costs' type attitudes. Now I'm not saying mrhappyface has those traits (he seems a stand-up guy from his posts on here), but the idea expressed is one that has permeated a large portion of the community and, honestly, makes it really hard for some of us to play for fun, as the demands of others with regards to this and similar requirements make the game way less fun.

I always ask my opponent how competitive they want a game to be. If they say they want a fully competitive game I bring a tourney list. If they say not competitive at all I bring a ridiculous list, based on some crazy unit combo or something. I'm far more likely to have to go outside fluffy style lists for the friendly/silly game, but I don't think that is a problem. If an opponent wants a fluf game I turn up with an army picked carefully for fluff reasons and optimised to be as close to a 'standard' force as possible. All these types of play are fun, but saying it's 'good manners' or similar to play in only one way impedes the possibilities for fun all round.

+1

To requote myself from another thread a few days ago..

 Azreal13 wrote:


But, ultimately, as long as I can tell what's what, how my opponent decides to hobby is none of my business.

There is a strong idea floating around in the ether that swapping chapters is somehow undesirable or against the spirit of the game.

This, frankly, is a self-imposed rule that these folks are trying to pass off as some kind of unspoken but widely understood thing. It's not, and unless they pay your nut, no one gets to tell you how to paint your models.

There are obvious situations where simple courtesy would prohibit you from swapping out chapters--a wolves army would really be a proxy force when played as Ultramarines. You've got serious wargear issues, as most grey hunters have a chainsword and bolter. Thunderwolf Calvary would most likely be proxied for bikes. This would not be appropriate at a tournament--too confusing. For a friendly game? Why not?

Just because my models are painted as Ultramarines, barring a rule by the TO, I can and will claim they are Ravenguard.

NOW, that being said, I use my generic "Green Marines" as a courtesy to other players, and because I just don't love blue that much. But I decided this (I like the color), and I would never let anyone impose their own nonsense on me.

To be clear: I like that it encourages people to look at successor colour schemes or come up with their own, because there's a lot of gems in there that deserve representation.

But I hate when people chafe at the idea of someone running White Scars with Fists tactics or Raven Guard as Ultramarines, or when people feel the need to explain, at length, that their chapter X successors use chapter Y tactics because of some and such on planet where and how like it represents anything more than a little variation, a little edge, in their operational procedures.

These are conditioned masters of war, each a military genius in their own right, the notion that say, The Imperial Fists are such inflexible morons as to be unable to apply dedicated hit-and-run tactics when the situation demands it does not imply 'super human' levels of intellect, does it?

 Ghaz wrote:

That's from the hobby section of the book, not the rules.

Oh! Alright then.

There has only been one instance in all of GW's history where the actual rules required a specific paintjob.

That was the "Red Ones Goes Fasta" rule, since the wargear was a paintjob.

However, it was a suggestion rather than a hardfast rule since ultimately GW didn't want to restrict creativity. In a funny twist of events, while most people would expect you to honor that rule (if for nothing else than the Orky spirit of it), TVTropes noted that if you somehow convinced your opponent that your vehicles painted without a single drop of red had a "red paint job", it was a feat worthy of being called an Ork.

But that's not a rule; that's reality! Red ones DO goes Fasta!




Note Fasta and faster are not the same thing - ask any Ork educated in the intricacies of ork to human translation.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
There has only been one instance in all of GW's history where the actual rules required a specific paintjob.

That was the "Red Ones Goes Fasta" rule, since the wargear was a paintjob.

Not true if you include events GW has held. One Grand Tournament rules pack around 3rd or 4th edition stated that if your Space Marines were painted as a specific Chapter, you were required to use that Chapter whereas if you had a DIY paint scheme you could play them as any Chapter.

A funny moment I had with a friend was that "go fasta red" rule.
I heard him say "plus 1" for go fasta red" I then said "Where??" pointing to his bare plastic model.
He picked up a pot of red paint, dabbed some on the hull... I then said "Proceed." ... while grinning.

I have my own special snowflake version of the Black Templar that has evolved since the original Armageddon codex that came out for them wayyyy back.
I have been a bit leery of committing to an established faction paint scheme completely due to GW not being able to help themselves by trying to rotate the "desirable" SM chapter flavor of the month and try to get people to start a new chapter. I may give-in a bit by having all of my Primaris units as Ultramarine to play along with Gilliman. I will NOT duplicate models for another SM army, that path leads to madness. Similar idea with CSM various god followers.

Come to think of it, they try to do that with every faction: have some 4 or so different factions within an army type and then try to say if you commit to a given scheme you are stuck with it's rules... great way to sell models or anger hobbyists. I think if I had an opponent that insisted I HAD to play BT based on colour scheme (not by fielding their special squads or emperor's champion, etc.) I would think they were a bit of a tool BUT I do try to keep to WYSIWYG.

 Ghaz wrote:
Not true if you include events GW has held. One Grand Tournament rules pack around 3rd or 4th edition stated that if your Space Marines were painted as a specific Chapter, you were required to use that Chapter whereas if you had a DIY paint scheme you could play them as any Chapter.

I rarely get the chance to attend a GW event so I was unaware of that. As far as I know in terms of codexes and the core rulebook, the Red Paintjob was the only one that even mentioned the paint.