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I have 2 rules I need to clarify

1. If your tank in engaged in close combat can you disembark the troops? If so are they in combat too?

2. If your turn in shooting and you kill the last guy that's in combat with you with pistols can you then assault another unit in the assault phase.

1) When disembarking from a Transport that is in CC all the normal rules from Disembarking apply: 3" from the Hull any models that cannot be placed are lost. On top of this, you cannot place a model with in 1" of an enemy model. So if your transport is surrounded with no room within 3" and no way to make a 1" gap you cannot disembark. Disembarked units are not in combat and can act as normal.

2) If you killed the unit in Shooting you can assault another unit as normal. Note that because you killed the unit in the Shooting phase you do not get to consolidate closer to an enemy unit

BomBomHotdog wrote:
1) When disembarking from a Transport that is in CC all the normal rules from Disembarking apply: 3" from the Hull any models that cannot be placed are lost. On top of this, you cannot place a model with in 1" of an enemy model. So if your transport is surrounded with no room within 3" and no way to make a 1" gap you cannot disembark. Disembarked units are not in combat and can act as normal.

2) If you killed the unit in Shooting you can assault another unit as normal. Note that because you killed the unit in the Shooting phase you do not get to consolidate closer to an enemy unit

These are both correct.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:
1) When disembarking from a Transport that is in CC all the normal rules from Disembarking apply: 3" from the Hull any models that cannot be placed are lost. On top of this, you cannot place a model with in 1" of an enemy model. So if your transport is surrounded with no room within 3" and no way to make a 1" gap you cannot disembark. Disembarked units are not in combat and can act as normal.

2) If you killed the unit in Shooting you can assault another unit as normal. Note that because you killed the unit in the Shooting phase you do not get to consolidate closer to an enemy unit

These are both correct.

The part in red is incorrect. You don't actually move through the enemy models anymore. You just 'set up' the models within 3" of the transport. Also note, it's not wholly within, mind you, either. It is just within 3". So, they only need a sliver of their base within the 3" aka toe in cover. It's pretty hard to completely surround a transport with models.

 deviantduck wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:
1) When disembarking from a Transport that is in CC all the normal rules from Disembarking apply: 3" from the Hull any models that cannot be placed are lost. On top of this, you cannot place a model with in 1" of an enemy model. So if your transport is surrounded with no room within 3" and no way to make a 1" gap you cannot disembark. Disembarked units are not in combat and can act as normal.

2) If you killed the unit in Shooting you can assault another unit as normal. Note that because you killed the unit in the Shooting phase you do not get to consolidate closer to an enemy unit

These are both correct.

The part in red is incorrect. You don't actually move through the enemy models anymore. You just 'set up' the models within 3" of the transport. Also note, it's not wholly within, mind you, either. It is just within 3". So, they only need a sliver of their base within the 3" aka toe in cover. It's pretty hard to completely surround a transport with models.

Nothing in what you quoted is talking about moving through models, and it's correct. There has to be more than 1" between the models you place and any enemy models around the transport ("a 1" gap").

Jacksmiles wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:
1) When disembarking from a Transport that is in CC all the normal rules from Disembarking apply: 3" from the Hull any models that cannot be placed are lost. On top of this, you cannot place a model with in 1" of an enemy model. So if your transport is surrounded with no room within 3" and no way to make a 1" gap you cannot disembark. Disembarked units are not in combat and can act as normal.

2) If you killed the unit in Shooting you can assault another unit as normal. Note that because you killed the unit in the Shooting phase you do not get to consolidate closer to an enemy unit

These are both correct.

The part in red is incorrect. You don't actually move through the enemy models anymore. You just 'set up' the models within 3" of the transport. Also note, it's not wholly within, mind you, either. It is just within 3". So, they only need a sliver of their base within the 3" aka toe in cover. It's pretty hard to completely surround a transport with models.

Nothing in what you quoted is talking about moving through models, and it's correct. There has to be more than 1" between the models you place and any enemy models around the transport ("a 1" gap").

If the enemy has say.. 12 models on 1" bases touching base to base with each other around your rhino, and with all of his models in base to base with your rhino, your unit can easily disembark behind him in the free space within 3 inches of the rhino. I was saying you don't actually have to move/travel between his models. You just setup anywhere within 3 inches of the rhino and more than 1 inch from him.

Right, which goes along with what the other user said, it doesn't contradict it, that's what I'm saying.

While you say it's difficult to deny the ability to disembark, it's still possible and worth noting for full understanding.

 deviantduck wrote:
It's pretty hard to completely surround a transport with models.

I thought this too.
I was "corrected" by a 30man squad of Orks attacking my Rhino that got a wee bit too close. That 3" consolidation is killer.

Wait, are you saying that when you disembark from a transport, you just need to have 1 millimeter of the model's base within 3", and not the whole model? We've been playing that wrong. I can't believe that is intended to be correct. For a 32mm base that's 3" + 31mm disembark.

 Marmatag wrote:
Wait, are you saying that when you disembark from a transport, you just need to have 1 millimeter of the model's base within 3", and not the whole model? We've been playing that wrong. I can't believe that is intended to be correct. For a 32mm base that's 3" + 31mm disembark.

That is correct. This stems from them explaining what they mean by "wholly within" vs "within" in one of the clarification documents. Disembarking is "within 3 inches," not "wholly within."

 Marmatag wrote:
Wait, are you saying that when you disembark from a transport, you just need to have 1 millimeter of the model's base within 3", and not the whole model? We've been playing that wrong. I can't believe that is intended to be correct. For a 32mm base that's 3" + 31mm disembark.

That is correct. That is how it has ALWAYS been, even back when it was 2" from the doors. Luckily this is one of those cases where the intent is long entrenched.

Even if it wasn't, that's what the rule says so intent is irrelevant.

Hey ya'll i have a related follow up question: if your opponent is trying to surround ur transport and you disembark do you have to in cohereceny? Or can you drop them where you can fit them then attempt to get them in coherency in ur next movement phase?

 SebboVonTebbo wrote:
Hey ya'll i have a related follow up question: if your opponent is trying to surround ur transport and you disembark do you have to in cohereceny? Or can you drop them where you can fit them then attempt to get them in coherency in ur next movement phase?

Page 176 BRB, Emphasis mine.

UNITS
Models move and fight in units, made up of one or more models. A unit must be set up and finish any sort of move as a group, with every model within 2" horizontally, and 6" vertically, of at least one other model from their unit: this is called unit coherency. If anything causes a unit to become split up during a battle, it must re-establish its unit coherency the next time it moves.

The rules for transports say "When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield ", so you are forced to set up in coherency. While for any other company this would be par for the course, kudos on the rules writers here for actually getting this one right.

Oh cool totally missed that thx