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Saw the following on Amazon after seeing it mentioned on a local shop's FB page.



Vietnam. In a small corner of the world, one of the most bloody wars to be fought occurred in this small county in Southeast Asia. Traditionally framed as a war of small skirmishes, long patrols, and guerilla ambushes, there is a lot more that happened, including full-scale offensives and pitched battles.

The US and its allies have all the advantages of mobility and firepower. The ubiquitous Huey helicopter has become a symbol of the war itself as it carries troops into battle and unloads rockets on the enemy. Heavily armed flotillas sail up the windy Mekong Delta. Heavy tanks and M113 'tracks' bash their way through the jungle searching for enemy strongpoints, and resolute 'grunts' hold firebases against fierce enemy assaults.

Meanwhile, the Nationalists have all the advantages of the home team. They fight as guerillas, choosing the time and place of major operations or surprise attacks and appearing from nowhere to ambush enemy hunting them. When the time is right, they even commit their tanks, armoured personnel carriers, and seasoned troops into the fray to achieve total victory.

'Nam gives you have everything* you need to take command of one of these forces. Building on the success of Battlefront's Team Yankee, these rules and forces are easy to learn and use. Within these pages you can find all of the scenarios, missions, and notes on terrain to fully brief you before you step onto your Huey to lead your troops to the landing zone!


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According to the info that's been released, this book will contain -

- A complete set of rules based off of the Team Yankee rules (as opposed to the similar Flames of War rules)
- All of the lists that have been released to date for Flames of War: Vietnam
- Lists for the US Marines

Note that doesn't mean that there aren't also other lists included. That's just what I've seen confirmed.

Finally, Battlefront is planning on releasing Team Yankee "eras". Lists from the same era are intended to be compatible. So when Battlefront rereleases the Six Day War lists, they'll use the same rules, and be costed in such a way that you'll be able to take your UAR list and fight against a US list from Vietnam.

(note that doesn't guarantee that it'll actually be a good match up due to other variables; but it'll be doable)
   
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Is this some sort of repackaging? I thought they already had a Vietnam game all done up.

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Wow, I might finally use all of those FoW Vietnam stuff I bought and never got to play
   
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Despite the total mess that is V4 Flames of War I'm actually looking forward to this and the upcoming revamp of 6DW. I also bought a bunch of miniatures (for 6DW) that I never got to use first time round.




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There's a bunch of additional information about Nam, Team Yankee and V4 in this Q&A Session with Pete Simunovich.

http://www.wwpd.net/2017/07/historicon-q-session-with-pete.html

WWPD via TMP wrote:Flames of War Version 4
1) "First to Fight," the next Mid-War book, will have US Tank, Armored Rifles, and Rifle lists.
2) There will be a later British MW book (Rifles/Matilda/Valentines).
3) There will be a later German MW book focused on the 90th Afrika Division that will have FK36(r)s!
4) Dianas will be a "Wild Card" option in the future.
5) In addition to the known US, Italian, and 2nd British and German V4 Books, there will also be an Airborne forces book with both Fallschirmjagers and Paratroopers.

5) Next year there will be V4 LW starter sets/Army deals that will include a code for Forces of War access to the same list included with the boxed set.
6) The "More Mission" PDFs are living documents. Pete acknowledged that V4 is creating more draws than is desirable for a Tournament setting. They want to improve on that and see More Missions PDFs as a way to do. They are interested to see what the FoW community does with Tournament packet modifications and may set up an area in the forums for suggestions.
7) MW Pacific is still planned as a "card" release.
8) Each Mid-War book release will have Command Cards assoitiated with it.

Team Yankee
1) The "Red Thunder" and "Stripes" books totally replace the US and Soviet lists in the Team Yankee base book, but those are still usable.
2) Team Yankee will be on Forces of War!
3) Team Yankee base rules will eventually move to be aligned/updated with V4 but the current TY "V1" list and cards will be what's used with the new updated rules set.
4) Team Yankee will have three periods:

- Early Team Yankee will be Arab-Israeli and 60/70s Europe focused
- Mid Team Yankee is where the game is now
- Late Team Yankee will have T-80s, BMP-3s, M2 Bradleys, AH-64 Apaches, better M1s, and Merkavas.

5) "Stripes" will include USMC forces with LAVs
6) Canadians and ANZACS are next for Team Yankee after "Stripes."
6) Pete still wants to push TY into other modern theaters like South Africa and Iran-Iraq War.

"Nam"
1) New "Nam" book is ready for the printers and due out in January.
2) The book is 234 pages long, it includes a full rules set that looks basically like V4
3) The book includes all lists for Nam from 1965 up to 1975 to include US Army, USMC (Ontos and LVTP-5s), ANZAC, PAVN, and VC
4) Nam is the first "modern" book to move to V4, when the main TY book does, you'll be able to run Vietcong against East Germans in events...if you wanted to.

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 George Spiggott wrote:
Despite the total mess that is V4 Flames of War I'm actually looking forward to this and the upcoming revamp of 6DW. I also bought a bunch of miniatures (for 6DW) that I never got to use first time round.




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There's a bunch of additional information about Nam, Team Yankee and V4 in this Q&A Session with Pete Simunovich.

http://www.wwpd.net/2017/07/historicon-q-session-with-pete.html

WWPD via TMP wrote:Flames of War Version 4
1) "First to Fight," the next Mid-War book, will have US Tank, Armored Rifles, and Rifle lists.
2) There will be a later British MW book (Rifles/Matilda/Valentines).
3) There will be a later German MW book focused on the 90th Afrika Division that will have FK36(r)s!
4) Dianas will be a "Wild Card" option in the future.
5) In addition to the known US, Italian, and 2nd British and German V4 Books, there will also be an Airborne forces book with both Fallschirmjagers and Paratroopers.

5) Next year there will be V4 LW starter sets/Army deals that will include a code for Forces of War access to the same list included with the boxed set.
6) The "More Mission" PDFs are living documents. Pete acknowledged that V4 is creating more draws than is desirable for a Tournament setting. They want to improve on that and see More Missions PDFs as a way to do. They are interested to see what the FoW community does with Tournament packet modifications and may set up an area in the forums for suggestions.
7) MW Pacific is still planned as a "card" release.
8) Each Mid-War book release will have Command Cards assoitiated with it.

Team Yankee
1) The "Red Thunder" and "Stripes" books totally replace the US and Soviet lists in the Team Yankee base book, but those are still usable.
2) Team Yankee will be on Forces of War!
3) Team Yankee base rules will eventually move to be aligned/updated with V4 but the current TY "V1" list and cards will be what's used with the new updated rules set.
4) Team Yankee will have three periods:

- Early Team Yankee will be Arab-Israeli and 60/70s Europe focused
- Mid Team Yankee is where the game is now
- Late Team Yankee will have T-80s, BMP-3s, M2 Bradleys, AH-64 Apaches, better M1s, and Merkavas.

5) "Stripes" will include USMC forces with LAVs
6) Canadians and ANZACS are next for Team Yankee after "Stripes."
6) Pete still wants to push TY into other modern theaters like South Africa and Iran-Iraq War.

"Nam"
1) New "Nam" book is ready for the printers and due out in January.
2) The book is 234 pages long, it includes a full rules set that looks basically like V4
3) The book includes all lists for Nam from 1965 up to 1975 to include US Army, USMC (Ontos and LVTP-5s), ANZAC, PAVN, and VC
4) Nam is the first "modern" book to move to V4, when the main TY book does, you'll be able to run Vietcong against East Germans in events...if you wanted to.


That crossover period sounds kewl.IDF vs VC....Anyone?

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VC list has so many proxy applications, it's basically every militia army ever.

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 Stormonu wrote:
Is this some sort of repackaging? I thought they already had a Vietnam game all done up.

Revised edition, probably incorporating the current TY/FOW4 style rules.


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 George Spiggott wrote:
2) There will be a later British MW book (Rifles/Matilda/Valentines).

CHURCHILLS! There damn well better be Churchill tanks in that book or else!

5) In addition to the known US, Italian, and 2nd British and German V4 Books, there will also be an Airborne forces book with both Fallschirmjagers and Paratroopers.

What about Italian Compagnia Paracadutisti? Or are they one of those inconsequential lists that BF can't be bothered to update?

5) Next year there will be V4 LW starter sets/Army deals that will include a code for Forces of War access to the same list included with the boxed set.

What was wrong with the Open Fire starter set? Everyone I've ever spoken to though that was one of the best starters, ever.

7) MW Pacific is still planned as a "card" release.

I'm sure that will satisfy all the players who spent lots of money on Pacific forces.

2) Team Yankee will be on Forces of War!

About time. Should have been ready to run day and date with the initial release.

6) Canadians and ANZACS are next for Team Yankee after "Stripes."

Odd choice and would not be my pick for the next TY release. IMO Czechoslovakia or Poland would make more sense, given the game currently has 3 NATO to 2 WASAWPAC. If they want to do NATO, Belgium or France would make more sense from a "historical" point of view.

6) Pete still wants to push TY into other modern theaters like South Africa and Iran-Iraq War.

Concentrate on FOW4 and the current "mid" TY game first. FOW4 in particular is suffering badly from the glacial rate of releases




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Some more info about the future of FoW from Battlefront's forums

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=126&aff=3&aft=579326&afv=topic

steve via Battlefront Forums wrote:PS conversation with myself regarding V4 & BF.

So today as I mentioned I had a long and I believe fruitful conversation with Pete Simunovich the owner of BF.

Firstly I would like to thank BF for reaching out to the community whether we/you like what they do or not. BF do understand that there is disquiet amongst their customers.

Pete rang me at 8am Uk time and we spent about an hour talking FoW. I beleive we got to know each other a little and that maybe on both parts understand that we both want whats best for the hobby, FoW.

I explained a number of issues and from both sides we were able to be frank and open and I hope helpful to each other.

So firstly to any of you who may expect a rules re-write that is not going to happen however changes will happen. I also agree with BF that expecting a full re-write is really unreasonable.

So what did we discuss?

We discussed certain things which are going to be changed very soon such as:-

Large Units
Aircraft
Rockets

These things are in need of some TLC so expect a change on these very soon.

I also brought the subject up of army lists being incorrectly priced for EW/LW. This was at first a tough thing for us to discuss with both of us having a position. I understand that BF have only a limited number of staff and to reprice the points of each list in the old V3 books maybe asking too much, however I pointed out that when we design lists now there are some lists which pay for teams which they now do not get in the army eg commanders of guns staff teams etc etc
This I feel is very important as some lists will not be disadvantaged by this and others will be. Pete has agreed for this to be looked at and that hopefully a document with a list of if you have X in a unit you get Y discount off of that unit price. This I feel is a huge step. There is also hopefully going to be a look at the cost of recce units in this period.

There will be a look at putting something in the rules for a victory which has been won in one turn, see the new missions VCs.

We discussed keeping LFTF updated regularly and they will see what they can do however being a small company this maybe difficult.

Pete also admited that in hindsight that MW would have been better served if a forces style book would have been released and then the specialist books released thereafter. I do feel sorry for the guys here we all make mistakes and something like that is hard to go back on.

On the MW side there will be alot more colour and depth going forward but dont always expect to have the silly units in there which never see light of day, this is hard on BF both as a manufacturer and supplier.

Pete has asked me to send him an email about a couple of things which I will do.

What I will say is they are trying to make swift progress on this so lets give them the benefit of the doubt just for a little longer. Any of you who have burning desires of something which is bugging you please do not hesiatate to contact me politely.

So once again thank you BF, Pete and all the staff there we hope you do succeed.

Kind regards

Steve Charlton

PS any questions I will try and answer, but remember I do not work for BF & not all of us will be satisfied.

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Odd choice and would not be my pick for the next TY release. IMO Czechoslovakia or Poland would make more sense, given the game currently has 3 NATO to 2 WASAWPAC. If they want to do NATO, Belgium or France would make more sense from a "historical" point of view.


Why they picked more NATO is something you'll have to ask Battlefront. I've got a pretty good idea why they didn't pick France, though - it would have required releasing a lot of new vehicles. With Canada and Australia, they've got two new countries that use equipment that's already in use by existing nations in the game.

Also, Battlefront's own bias is probably at play with the decision to do the ANZACS.
   
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 George Spiggott wrote:
VC list has so many proxy applications, it's basically every militia army ever.

Yep you are spot on.I got a moujahadeen or Taliban force that i use the VC and NVA rules for.i cant wait to see how they do.with the new rules.For are games as of rite now we use the Stopping the RED tide list for the Commies , American get a NAm list.
A very big misconception is that the mouj had equipment and Armor. No techincals ,no t55. Just straight up early 80s style mountaineering guerrillas.

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A bit more from Battlefront:

Osprey Publishing Relationship
With the arrival of V4 we knew we wanted to try and update as many of the periods as we could as fast as possible. We are excited to be building a range of products produced and designed by Battlefront Miniatures then published by Osprey.

The first of these projects is an update of the Vietnam and Arab-Israeli books to bring them in to line with Team Yankee. Each book will be fully self-contained and include the full rules required to play the game as well as army lists.

Of course we wanted to expand the scope of both books so ‘Nam will include everything from the previous books as well as adding the US Marines.

Fate Of A Nation will also grow to not just include the events of the Six Day War but also grow to encompass the Yom Kippur War of 1973.

There will also be Card Packs featuring all the Unit Cards as well as adding some new miniatures to the range including some plastic kits as well.

‘Nam will be out in early 2018 with Fate Of A Nation following in mid 2018.

Following 'Nam and Fate Of A Nation you can expect to see an updated version of Great War as well.

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I am sort of interested in 6 day war.....

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Figured I'd provide a quick update on this -

1) New "Nam" book is ready for the printers and due out in January.


Sadly, it didn't make the January release date. So the MW Italian release is happening instead.

Apparently Osprey is saying February 22. But a trip to the FoW website shows releases through the end of March, and nothing Vietnam-related is on that list.
   
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The blurb for the book on Osprey's website makes me actively NOT want to play this game, like the game itself doesn't "get" the period feel for the wargame.

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Twice now on the Battlefront forums, someone posted a link to a YouTube video that was supposed to have a video review of the new book. Both times, the thread with the link mysteriously vanished not long afterwards. I'm guessing it's the same link that you just provided. One of the threads also had the website link - Namminiaturesgame.com (which is a functioning, albeit unpolished, website).

It looks like all of the helicopters will be plastic (the Cobra and Huey aren't a surprise; the Loach, however, is), as will the K-2 (T-54). The M-48 will not be plastic. Disappointing, but not that surprising since it's not exactly a heavily used model (even when AIW is included). The T-54/55, on the other hand, is a heavily used figure, particularly when Team Yankee (where they're extremely cheap points-wise) is factored in. Word is that the reason why they weren't available with the East German book (which introduced the T-55AM2 to that era) was released is because Volksarmee was a bit of a "spur of the moment" thing, and Battlefront simply didn't have a production line available for it at the time.

Also, the infamous Ontos is in there.

I'm curious whether the T55 kit will included the needed pieces to build the very similar Chinese Type 59. The two vehicles have very similar exteriors (unsurprisingly, since the latter is essentially a knock-off of the former), and the swappable parts would increase the number of potential buyers for the kit.
   
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Eumerin wrote:
It looks like all of the helicopters will be plastic (the Cobra and Huey aren't a surprise; the Loach, however, is)...

They already have a plastic Loach...

https://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=3824

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Oops. Looks like you're right.

I was under the impression that Battlefront hadn't released plastic helicopters until Team Yankee was released. But it appears that I was mistaken.
   
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First the review says there are no rules for Beehive then further down the same page in the Centurion entry three are rules for Beehive.

Other than that a good review. Although I can't say I'm looking forward to using the v4 morale rules with Nam/6DW.

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 George Spiggott wrote:
First the review says there are no rules for Beehive then further down the same page in the Centurion entry three are rules for Beehive.

Other than that a good review. Although I can't say I'm looking forward to using the v4 morale rules with Nam/6DW.


Battlefront has mentioned a time or two that there are supposed to be mechanics in place to keep infantry blobs from becoming unstoppable monsters under the new morale rules. If they actually do have rules like that, then the 'Nam book should give us the first look at what they are.
   
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The fix is already out, it's in Armies of Late War (five teams to stay in Good Spirits). There's also the problem with small platoons, especially two team tank platoons.

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Eumerin wrote:
Twice now on the Battlefront forums, someone posted a link to a YouTube video that was supposed to have a video review of the new book. Both times, the thread with the link mysteriously vanished not long afterwards. I'm guessing it's the same link that you just provided. One of the threads also had the website link - Namminiaturesgame.com (which is a functioning, albeit unpolished, website).

Not sure if its the same video, but someone on YouTube did a 100% spoiling of the 'Nam book, going through it on camera page by page for the entire book. This was using a pre-release copy without BF permission. You can't blame them for deleting those links in their own forum.

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So, who else bought the book and Intents to play?

I got a US rifle platoon done, 4 zippos, 4 ACAV/M113, 4 M106, with a Huey in the works. My firend is loading on Air Cavalry, and another got ANZACs and some VCs
   
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Inquisitor Jex wrote:
So, who else bought the book and Intents to play?

I got a US rifle platoon done, 4 zippos, 4 ACAV/M113, 4 M106, with a Huey in the works. My firend is loading on Air Cavalry, and another got ANZACs and some VCs


Yeah, its encouraging me to finish up the Local Forces I already had purchased and assembled, but not painted.

The book is nice - good size (matches Frostgrave length / depth). The misspellings and grammar issues are annoying. And the missing rules / incorrect stats are frustrating. However, overall the look and feel is right on. Its just the small things that bug me and my OCD tendencies, and I'm sure many other gamers are the same way. Its just the way we are built.

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