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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/23/545487235/headless-torso-id-d-as-kim-wall-reporter-who-died-aboard-inventor-s-personal-sub

Danish police have identified remains that washed ashore in Copenhagen as those of Kim Wall, the Swedish journalist who died aboard inventor Peter Madsen's personal submarine earlier this month. Authorities announced Wednesday that they had matched Wall's DNA with a female torso, which was found without a head, legs or arms.

"The autopsy also shows that there was metal attached to the torso," Copenhagen police said in a press release. "At the same time, the body bears the mark of having, most likely, been inflicted deliberate damage with the purpose of ensuring that gasses can pass out of the body — possibly in an attempt to avoid that a body rises from the seabed."

The announcement marks a gruesome turn in a mystery that has gripped Scandinavia since Madsen's submarine sank nearly two weeks ago off Denmark's coast. The sub, which pushed off Aug. 10 with just Madsen and Wall aboard, sank less than a day later — but the journalist had disappeared even before that.

The man often known as "Rocket Madsen" — famed for the three personal submarines he has constructed and his dreams of sending a rocket to space — initially told police that he had dropped Wall off back on shore just hours after setting out. Yet authorities quickly arrested and charged him with manslaughter shortly after he was rescued from the sub, and as they questioned him behind closed doors, his story began to change.

Earlier this week, at the request of his defense attorney and the prosecution, law enforcement released a new admission from Madsen: He told them there had been "an accident on board which caused Kim Wall's death," according to Monday's statement, "and that he consequently buried her at sea at a non-defined location in the Bay of Køge."

Just hours after that statement was released, the female torso was found in shallow water by a passing bicyclist.

"I would like to express my deepest sympathy with Kim Wall's family whom we had to give the definitive news last night, that we now have a DNA match between Kim Wall and the torso found," lead investigator Jens Møller Jensen said in a statement Wednesday.

Police also noted that there was a match between Wall's DNA and blood found aboard the submarine, which was recovered and brought on land after its sinking.

"Naturally," Jensen added, "the DNA match is a relatively large breakthrough in the investigation which will now continue until we have built all possible information in the case."

But that breakthrough for investigators represented tragic news for Wall's family.

"It is with boundless sorrow and dismay that we received the news that the remains of our daughter and sister Kim Wall have been found," Wall's mother, Ingrid, wrote on Facebook. "We cannot yet grasp the extent of the disaster, and there are still a number of questions to be answered."

Still, she celebrated her daughter's life and work, which appeared internationally in publications such as Harper's Magazine and The New York Times:

"She has found and told stories from different parts of the globe, stories that must be written," Ingrid Wall wrote on behalf of her family. "She allowed us to travel to Haiti's earthquake, to the torture chambers of Idi Amin in Uganda and the minefields in Sri Lanka."

"She gave voice to the weak, vulnerable and marginalized people," she added. "That voice had been needed for a long, long time. Now it has been silenced."

Madsen, who remains in custody, pleaded not guilty earlier this month and continues to deny the charges publicly through his attorney.

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That's not suspicious at all...

Sounds rather much like a murder.

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This entire story is the most bizarre case I've ever seen, it's like it's out of a bad movie.

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For someone claiming it was an accident after his initial lie, he sure went through a lot of trouble to get rid of the body...dismembering it and lesting the torso with metal so that it would sink? Autopsy also revealed some kind of force was used on the torso so that the lungs would be sucked out of their content, so that the body wouldn't float because of gases still inside. His submarine was also deliberatly sunk. Definitely suspicious.
   
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
This entire story is the most bizarre case I've ever seen, it's like it's out of a bad movie.
I was thinking something out of Bones myself.

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This whole thing is just the most incredible story. I mean, it starts with 'man builds his own submarines' and then starts getting crazy.

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A man tries to rape a woman, they struggle and she ends up dead. Then the man tries to cover up his murder.

I don't see anything bizarre in this story, only the crime scene is unusual.

 
   
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We don't know that he did anything like that, but that was my first reaction as well.

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A man tries to rape a woman, they struggle and she ends up dead. Then the man tries to cover up his murder.


Or his home-built sub was actually so unsafe that the reporter ended up dead accidentally, the guy panicked and (in his shocked state) came up with the perfectly reasonable idea that no body equals no crime. People have done such before in cases where they'd maybe be accused of reckless endangerment at the most. This mad scientist also had the reputation of his now totally sunken home-built sub to think about.
   
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Or he suspected she was a witch and thought up a really convoluted way to accomplish dunking her.
   
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Arise! Ye slumbering thread! Arise to the necromancer's call! (The new thread was closed, and redirected here.... )

The new information -
Updating the information from this older thread.

7 October 2017 - BBC Reported that Kim Wall's head had been found.

The torso showed signs of having been attacked with a knife, and the head showed no signs of blunt trauma consistent with with Madsen's claims of what happened to the journalist.

Her shoes and clothing were also found, along with a knife - the bag containing the evidence weighted down with pipe.

So far nothing about Madsen's ever-changing story has held true.

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Plus there is this:
"Kim Wall: Decapitation videos 'found on suspect's hard drive'"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41493402

I mean combine that with 'knife wounds to her genitals' and he comes across as a very disturbed person to say the very least.


I rather doubt that Madsen will be able to produce a worthwhile defense at this point - his story has changed every time new evidence has come to light. ('She was never on the Nautilus!' 'We have footage.' 'She had an accident, and I buried her at sea! I was planning to kill myself, too!' 'Parts of her body have been found in weighted plastic bags... you chopped her up.' 'The latch fell on her head, and killed her instantly!' 'We found her head, her clothes, her shoes, and the knife. There was no blunt force trauma.'....)

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 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Arise! Ye slumbering thread! Arise to the necromancer's call! (The new thread was closed, and redirected here.... )

The new information -
Updating the information from this older thread.

7 October 2017 - BBC Reported that Kim Wall's head had been found.

The torso showed signs of having been attacked with a knife, and the head showed no signs of blunt trauma consistent with with Madsen's claims of what happened to the journalist.

Her shoes and clothing were also found, along with a knife - the bag containing the evidence weighted down with pipe.

So far nothing about Madsen's ever-changing story has held true.

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Plus there is this:
"Kim Wall: Decapitation videos 'found on suspect's hard drive'"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41493402

I mean combine that with 'knife wounds to her genitals' and he comes across as a very disturbed person to say the very least.


I rather doubt that Madsen will be able to produce a worthwhile defense at this point - his story has changed every time new evidence has come to light. ('She was never on the Nautilus!' 'We have footage.' 'She had an accident, and I buried her at sea! I was planning to kill myself, too!' 'Parts of her body have been found in weighted plastic bags... you chopped her up.' 'The latch fell on her head, and killed her instantly!' 'We found her head, her clothes, her shoes, and the knife. There was no blunt force trauma.'....)

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And the saw was possibly also found.

Madsen has stopped 'cooperating' with the investigation. (Does it really count as cooperating when everything he has said so far has been a lie?)

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Every time I see this title I hear the radio in Highlander when it says that a torso was found with a severed head and that the police don't have a name to which the Kurgan says "I know his name".

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Given what was found on Madsen's hard drive - this is sounding less like Highlander and more like Saw.

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Apparently Madsen's new explanation is that Wall died from carbonmonoxide poisoning. He admits to having dismembered her corpse, but pleads not guilty to murder. Haven't found an English source though.

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Ah yet more change of stories. If that was true why claim heavy object falling? Accident is an accident.

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Aye, just read that as well.
Not sure how many times he's changed his story (ergo lied) by this point.

I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get condemned for murder.

If it really was an accident (which I very much doubt) then the best thing he could've done would've been to just sail back to Copenhagen with her body and say "**** it was an accident!", *not* to dismember her body, dump it in various locations, sink his own submarine and then give the police twelve different stories of what happened.


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Aye, just read that as well.
Not sure how many times he's changed his story (ergo lied) by this point.

I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get condemned for murder.

If it really was an accident (which I very much doubt) then the best thing he could've done would've been to just sail back to Copenhagen with her body and say "**** it was an accident!", *not* to dismember her body, dump it in various locations, sink his own submarine and then give the police twelve different stories of what happened.




Might as well save us time and admit his guilt.
even he says a story in court he changed so many times its basically worth as much as a Zimbabwean doller.

if does not go down for murder is be surprised.

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I've said it before, but I think he's the kind of man who'd never confess, no matter the amount of evidence against him.

It should be easy to get a convictions regardless, he's obviously not very good at this.

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If he won't confess by now he never will. None of his defences actually seem to keep track of public knowledge. CM poisoning story when we already learned of knife wounds in the torso+genitals? All this digging will certainly not help in court.

English source are now available:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41804590

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
If he won't confess by now he never will. None of his defences actually seem to keep track of public knowledge. CM poisoning story when we already learned of knife wounds in the torso+genitals? All this digging will certainly not help in court.

English source are now available:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41804590


Those knife wounds. Yeah they are very very hard to explain away as anything natural...

That's ernough evidence to show very very probable proof of guilt. It reeks of murder.

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That's ernough evidence to show very very probable proof of guilt. It reeks of murder.


Well murder or what will be verdict depends on country. Not even sure in what country(Sweden?) he will be charged at nevermind their laws. In Finland it would be race between manslaughter or murder probably. Key questions being was this premeditated or was the way of killing particularly cruel. Defence would probably(assuming they give up idea of trying to claim full innocence) go for the angle it was quick knife to death after chain of events triggered inside the sub. At which he might get away with slightly lesser penalty of manslaughter.

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Madsen to remain in voluntary detention while awaiting trial.

Trial set to begin in four weeks, fairly speedy as these things go - blindingly fast compared to the US.

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Madsen to remain in voluntary detention while awaiting trial.

Trial set to begin in four weeks, fairly speedy as these things go - blindingly fast compared to the US.

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Volunteered? Or generally had no hope of ever getting bail?

And that is fast. UK trial can take months to happen. And not even sentencing.


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 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Madsen to remain in voluntary detention while awaiting trial.

Trial set to begin in four weeks, fairly speedy as these things go - blindingly fast compared to the US.

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Volunteered? Or generally had no hope of ever getting bail?

And that is fast. UK trial can take months to happen. And not even sentencing.

Maybe volunteered, rather than find out?

That his story just kept changing, every time evidence popped up... does not look good for him.

For a smart man, he was amazingly stupid.

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Looks like Kim Wall's arm has been found.

Madsen's latest excuse is that she died of Carbon Monoxide poisoning.

Obviously, the other damage was cause when she fell on his knife a few dozen times.

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