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So, I play Beastmen, and I've just noticed that, with the release of the 2nd GHB, most of our named characters from the Old World have been killed off, i.e. struck from the AoS app and don't have a points cost in the new book. A few have been renamed and had their rules changed (nerfed into irrelevance, in the case of Gorthor the Beastlord and Ghorros Warhoof, though they've only had their names changed on the app for now), but a number of others, such as Malagor, Morghur, and Khazrak, just seem to be gone. Anyone else noticed this with their armies old named models?

Yeah, all the Old World characters have become generic heroes. Which means they lose a lot of power and flavor but on the other hand they can be customized with traits, relics and the like.

Hopefully, as is the case with Archaon, Teclis and Tyrion, it also will mean certain characters will make their way back into AoS someday in the future.

I play Wanderers, and so lost Orion. While its sad to see him go, i get why they did it, those characters were some of the last ties back to 8th and they do want to move things along.

It seems inconsistent though. Quite a few characters from warhammer are very much part of the AoS narrative. It's seems odd to keep some, mutate others to a new role (but keep the same name) and just set the rest on fire.

If you still have the old Warscrolls they are still usable. That said removing Tyrion, Teclis and Malekith kind of makes sense if they are planning to finally release them for AoS in thier new forms.

I expect some of them to come back in some regard as their respective factions get "AoSified". If I'm not mistaken, Malekith is the leader of the Aelfs in the AoS lore, so when we get a Shadowkin release, he's likely to get an updated model and rules. I could see the same happening with Orion when/if the Wanderers get an update.

I think they are keeping the three Elfy factions. Highborn under Tyrion and Teclis, Exiles under Malekith and the Wanderers under whatever Wood Elf leaders GW didn't Squat. The new Allies rules seems to allow High Elfes or Dark Elves to be allied with Wood Elves, but doesn't let you ally High Elves and Dark Elves anymore so I think Telcis and Tyrion are still angry at Uncle Malekith.

Malekith did the fusion dance with his Dragon and is ruler of the Realm of Shadow under a much more copyright friendly name because Disney's lawyers are terrifying.

Tyrion and Teclis somehow survived End Times and are joint rulers of the Realm of Light

This is despite Tyrion being possessed by Khaine (and further corrupted by a full on Slaanesh worshipping Morathi who was that bat insane at that point she thought Tyrion was her dead husband), AND turned into a Elf-shaped pincushion by Alith Anar and Malekith, then drowned, then probably undone by the Vortex nopeing out of the world, AND somehow surviving all of that apparently.

And despite Teclis binding multiple winds of magic to himself and literally exploding and there being nothing left of him due to what was left of him likely being scattered by the now free winds of Light and Metal.

I'm a massive High Elf fanboy and even I found that pretty BS, and agreed that both of those twins deserved the deaths they got after thier antics during the End Times caused the pointless deaths of untold millions that could have helped in the fight against Chaos.

That said according to the lore, the Elves still have Slaanesh captive and are still beating the Elf souls out of him/her/it because they either never advanced that plotline or just forgot. Either way Slaanesh is probably enjoying it because Slaanesh.

This was Slaanesh's plan all along. It allowed the souls of the Aelfs to transfer into the mortal realms so it could survive against it's brothers.

DorkKnightRahal wrote:

Malekith did the fusion dance with his Dragon and is ruler of the Realm of Shadow under a much more copyright friendly name because Disney's lawyers are terrifying.

No he didn't, stop spreading that made up thing, enough people have done so. Also, Tyrion was brought back during the ET, not after. Teclis in AoS has pretty much become the incarnate of "sapphery", so to speak, and may or may not have become a being of pure light judging by what I recall from reading pantheon.

DorkKnightRahal wrote:


Malekith did the fusion dance with his Dragon and is ruler of the Realm of Shadow under a much more copyright friendly name because Disney's lawyers are terrifying.

"Malekith" was a character from Norse mythology and is, therefore, public domain. Disney can't do **** about it.

There's an ongoing debate regarding who came first, as Marvel's Malekith first came to light in 1984, one year after Warhammer Fantasy was released, and on the same year first Dark Elf miniatures were released, but GW's Malekith was (debatably) not introduced until the 4th edition High Elf Army Book released in 1992, and he didn't have a model or rules until the 4th Edition Dark Elf book in 1994 anyway. Controversial questions like "who stole from whom?" and "are they are the same person?" are better left unasked. Whatever the case it looks like, GW backed down (likely because Marvel Comics had more than enough money to take GW to court, even before they became part of Disney) and backed down, renaming Malekith as Malerion.

Malekith, a being of Shadows in AoS, fused with his dragon, Seraphon (to make things even more confusing for newcomers) to become Malerion. He rules the Realm of Shadow and is basically the "God" of that realm.

Tyrion and Teclis are both joint in charge of the Realm of Light and are basically that Realm's Gods. If I remember correctly they didn't come back quite right and either Tyrion is blind and sees through Teclis' eyes or the other way around.

In End Times Teclis did revive Tyrion and somehow purged him of massive corruption from literally turning into the Avatar of Khaine (and probably heaps Slaaneshi corruption from Morathi too though that is never addressed because apparently Tyrion can fall to Khaine's influence, and not Slaanesh because the Curse of Aenerion lets him do that I think?) with Ulric's Flame, that can apparently do that now? But Asuryan's Flame can't heal Malekith despite them literally being flames of rebirth? I don't know, End Times lore is kind of goes off a cliff into full on trainwreck from Fall of Altdorf onwards.

Lord Kragan wrote:

DorkKnightRahal wrote:

Malekith did the fusion dance with his Dragon and is ruler of the Realm of Shadow under a much more copyright friendly name because Disney's lawyers are terrifying.

No he didn't, stop spreading that made up thing, enough people have done so. Also, Tyrion was brought back during the ET, not after. Teclis in AoS has pretty much become the incarnate of "sapphery", so to speak, and may or may not have become a being of pure light judging by what I recall from reading pantheon.

Oh, haven't read Pantheon yet but that's very interesting. Him being made of light could explain how he helps Tyrion see and falls in line with that the gods who traveled through the chaos realm all suffered in some way.

Malekith, a being of Shadows in AoS, fused with his dragon, Seraphon (to make things even more confusing for newcomers) to become Malerion. He rules the Realm of Shadow and is basically the "God" of that realm. 

As Lord Kragon said, his fusing with Seraphon is false lore. It seems to be the result of coming to the mortal realms via the realm of chaos. Thus why all the gods save Sigmar have changed or suffered a injury, be it mental or physical.

This was Slaanesh's plan all along. It allowed the souls of the Aelfs to transfer into the mortal realms so it could survive against it's brothers.

Ohh, if that's not actually stated somewhere then that's a really good theory!

, and agreed that both of those twins deserved the deaths they got after thier antics during the End Times caused the pointless deaths of untold millions that could have helped in the fight against Chaos. 

Did they though? Seems to me it played out reasonably with Teclis wanting a force to unite all the elves together to survive and Tyrion in turn choosing the power of Khaine instead of bowing to Malekith in order to save the Old World. It's kinda a repeat of the first events that lead up to the creation of the vortex with a sorcerer choosing a great sacrifice but could keep a prolonged safety for the world afterward and a warrior choosing a direct approach that could save the world but damn his people.

As for the killing Ulric thing, Middenheim was already overrun so all that did was hasten the inevitable fall.

If I remember correctly they didn't come back quite right and either Tyrion is blind and sees through Teclis' eyes or the other way around. 

Yeah, Tyrion is blind and needs Teclis to see.

 (and probably heaps Slaaneshi corruption from Morathi too

Nope, Slaanesh worship by Morathi was retconned by 8th edition. She worshipped a dark elven diety of desire at that point.

Thanks for the clarification. Wasn't sure how much I was confusing with the old lore. Again, End Times lore is very messy and they really should have spent more time on the books. 5 really wasn't enough.

I'm not massively annoyed that the Old World characters are gone, there were only a few I cared about and liked for each faction and few where essential.

What I am annoyed about is that GW has an idiotically skewed release schedule. I want to play Aelves, but why would I buy some Aelves when I have no clue how massively the aesthetic is going to change? I mean, the new Dwarves are either on fire or just warped back from the 41st millennium after narrowly escaping the jaws of the Tyranids, so BIG aesthetic changes.

The characters they have done? Brilliant, Allariel has a great model and story. Drycha has a great model, but I wish I knew more about her, and they even pay homage to Durthu well enough. But they should give the other races some screen time so we're no longer waiting in purgatory to see if our faction will be turned into Cthulu-esque pirates or Angel Elves or what-have-you.

I have to agree. Tired of seeing the Sigmar line expanded into like 10 armies worth of minis while Fyreslayers, Ironjawz, etc have only a few units. Then we have the Aelf issue where they basically are nigh unplayable as their factions.