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For a long time it seems like the Paragon Blade has been the staple weapon for Praetors. I admit, with AP2 at initiative, +1 S and ID on a 6 to wound it looks good. But Is it realy that much better than a Thunder Hammer of Power Fist& Ok, you are loosing your initiative, but you are wounding everything bar some Primarchs on a 2+, ID normal marines with every hit and can hurt vehicles. So, what would you choose to have your Praetor be equiped with?
   
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Depends on what you want your Praetor to do. Do you want it to destroy vehicles and walkers together with a termie squad? Go for a Thunder Hammer/Chainfist. Want to go hunting heavy infantry with some weapon master veterans? Go Paragon Blade. With the +1 str you are wounding most things on 2 or 3+ anyway, and you can seriously threaten Mechanicum players with that aweful instant death madness.

I would almost always go Paragon Blade tbh, it's just so good. The only concrete example I would go for anything else would be the above, if you want to destroy armour instead.

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Paragon Blade is better against infantry, but if you run your PB praetor up against a PF praetor you lose, statistically.

That said, can't you just take one of each?
   
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WS 6, S 5, AP 2 at I 5 beats any Thunderhammer or P-fist in any close combat. You have the possibility to kill anything except another Praetor or Primarch before they even swing a weapon. Equipping the Praetor with a weapon that swings at Initiative 1, means that no matter how many models he kills at I1, he was probably attacked first at I4, and he will take even more hits at I1 from the simultaneous attacks from other P-fists.

I can't think of any single reason why a Praetor would ever be attacking a vehicle, and where that is a possibility, a meltabomb would be far more effective.

The Praetor should never be alone. He should be in a Command Squad, Veteran Squad, or Legion specific special squad. Let those models use P-fists, Plasma guns, Meltaguns, or any other special weapons. Your Praetor should be an assassin, challenging characters, especially those with a P-fist, or killing troops to stack up the combat resolution in your favor.


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Paragon blades are duelling weapons, they are reliable and effective against tooled up sergeants, consuls and terminators.
If you are hoping to ID another praetor or fight a primarch with a powerfist, good luck.
Powerfists and thunderhammers also fail to ID models on bikes and jetbikes. Chainfists are better for opening vehicles than hammers or powerfists.

Now the best weapon for fighting multi-wound models is the blood angel's blade of perdition.

I generally take a paragon blade and a power dagger or a power fist for the extra attacks.

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DaemonJellybaby wrote:
Paragon blades are duelling weapons, they are reliable and effective against tooled up sergeants, consuls and terminators.
If you are hoping to ID another praetor or fight a primarch with a powerfist, good luck.
Powerfists and thunderhammers also fail to ID models on bikes and jetbikes. Chainfists are better for opening vehicles than hammers or powerfists.

Now the best weapon for fighting multi-wound models is the blood angel's blade of perdition.

I generally take a paragon blade and a power dagger or a power fist for the extra attacks.


I had my first ever match up against Blood Angels on Saturday and I can confirm that Blades of perdition are friggin nasty.
   
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Alas, as a TS I have to stick to the Paragon Blade. Gonna model my Praetor in Cata armour with it.
   
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It also depends somewhat on your Legion. If you have access to a 3++ (Thousand Sons, Imperial Fists, and Salamanders can do that, off the top of my head, more may be able to) striking last is less of a downside (especially if you can also bring a Mantle of the Elder Drake for EW), but if you have Initiative tricks (Emperor's Children), or hit better with things that look like swords (Dark Angels), or wound on a 2+ with a Paragon Blade anyway (Blood Angels) you may be better off with the Paragon Blade.


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 KorPhaeron77 wrote:
DaemonJellybaby wrote:
Paragon blades are duelling weapons, they are reliable and effective against tooled up sergeants, consuls and terminators.
If you are hoping to ID another praetor or fight a primarch with a powerfist, good luck.
Powerfists and thunderhammers also fail to ID models on bikes and jetbikes. Chainfists are better for opening vehicles than hammers or powerfists.

Now the best weapon for fighting multi-wound models is the blood angel's blade of perdition.

I generally take a paragon blade and a power dagger or a power fist for the extra attacks.


I had my first ever match up against Blood Angels on Saturday and I can confirm that Blades of perdition are friggin nasty.


(I've fought a Blades of Perdition character once, and wasn't impressed. That may be more because I threw a Contemptor at him and squished him that way, though.)

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The blade of perdition is lacklustre against vehicles, but so is the paragon blade. You really do need at least a meltabomb or a powerfist to fight off contemptors.

Interestingly, if you are a Dark Angel, the Terranic GS is a viable 'one hit' weapon, as it is more likely to ID than the paragon blade, but the paragon blade causes more non-ID wounds.

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Also in defense of the Hammer and Fist I can say that bikes and jetbikes won't be instakilled by the paragon blade most of the time and it will wound them on a 4+ at best (5+ for custodes). A Hammer or Fist on the other hand will allways wound on a 2+ and going last isn't a problem since apart from characters on those things and command squads they do not pose any threat in CC.
   
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Holy Terra.

Ha, my praetor runs around with a thunder hammer in one hand and a paragon blade in the other. It works, sometimes.


   
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Just run your praetor in Tartaros with an iron halo, chainfists, paragon blade and digital lasers, get the best AT and the best at initiative weapon at the same time

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I run my Praetor in cata terminator armor, storm shield and thunder hammer. But then again, I play fists so having access to the storm shield makes him survive a bit longer in combat than a normal one.

 
   
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The question for using the paragon blade is:

Do you feel lucky, punk?

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