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As the title, been on a hunt for B5 stuff recently and other than shapeways have not had a great deal of luck so anyone here know?

Ships are available here:

https://agents-of-gaming.myshopify.com/

Both the larger scale and smaller fleet scale. IIRC they're selling down existing inventory so some might be missing.

Not sure if the 28mm figures are around anywhere.

Thank you so much mate, all the White Stars will be mine...
Do you have any of the minis yourself? If so am I right in thinking the B5 Wars line is roughly the same scale as BFG?

I have one of the Earth Force destroyers, it's a bit bigger than a cruiser, it really depends which ship since the B5 ships don't work off a common hull like Imperial cruisers.

The Babylon 5 Wars ships are the same size (ish) as Battlefleet Gothic, but a vastly different scale (an Omega-class destroyer is 1,700 m long, while an Emperor-class battleship - whose miniature is about the same length) is about 11,000 m long.

How cow! I had no idea Agents of Gaming had any kind of presence any more.

Babylon 5 Wars and A call to Arms are two entirely different model lines. The ships are pretty interchangeable. As has been said, they are the same size as BFG models, but not the same scale.

ingtaer wrote:
Thank you so much mate, all the White Stars will be mine...
Do you have any of the minis yourself? If so am I right in thinking the B5 Wars line is roughly the same scale as BFG?

They are roughly the same size, but I believe the scale is all over the place for the B5 wars ships. Besides, the BFG ships are supposed to be many kilometers long, while the B5 ships might hit a kilometer or two depending on who sCale's them against the station. Fleet action might be closer to being "in scale" with BFG, but the B5 Wars minis are much better.

Cheers for the extra responses, yeah I meant in scale as in roughly the same scale as rather than at 1/40000! I was just looking to expand my white star fleet with some nice sized models, but I guess now I am going to have to get a few whole fleets...

If your getting white stars go for the call to arms versions, iron wind metals redid the molds for the ships and added loads of detail onto the wings.

 Tamereth wrote:
If your getting white stars go for the call to arms versions, iron wind metals redid the molds for the ships and added loads of detail onto the wings.

If he's getting them from old Agents of Gaming stock, then those won't be the Iron Wind Metals version.

I didn't know Iron Wind had them, anyone got a link?

Since he's from NZ it's not like UK postage will be that different from US.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I didn't know Iron Wind had them, anyone got a link?

Since he's from NZ it's not like UK postage will be that different from US.

Iron Wind Metals, however since Iron Wind Metals doesn't have the license for Babylon 5 they don't make them anymore. They might have old stock at conventions but they aren't listed on their website. Otherwise, the only place I have found Iron Wind B5 has been on ebay.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I didn't know Iron Wind had them, anyone got a link?

Since he's from NZ it's not like UK postage will be that different from US.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/224365.page#472751

They licensed the miniatures from Mongoose Games.

I saw this thread and thought there was a B5 infantry-based game out. Oh well. (The 3rd ed Dark Eldar have a pretty sweet head to make a Centauri fig out of, though.)

Sorry for the disappoint Jimsolo (not sure how that would work but could have been good). They do however stock a range of 28mm models for the RPG as well as a 6mm range.

Ended up getting three ACTA White stars, 5 Narn Frazi fighters, a Narn heavy cruiser, 5 of each EA fighter, 1 EA destroyer and 2 EA heavy cruisers and now I will be in so much trouble. I was surprised that shipping was that inexpensive for so much lead (was expecting 50 but cost 30)

No Shadow ships?

Shadows;
https://agents-of-gaming.myshopify.com/collections/babylon-5-wars-shadow-miniatures

Sorry, just a little sad you didn't grab one for the collection.

Ah right I am with you now mate, already got 2 big cruisers, 3 little cruisers (Ancients and Younger respectively) 20 odd raiders, three corrupted Omegas and I don't even want to know how many fighters! Also got the same size fleet for Vorlons and Mimbari and this order will bring me upto 15 metal whitestars!

Ahh... Yeah, that makes sense.

hm..... Going to have to invest in some B5 ships.

I've been toying with the idea of my own spaceship game, borrowing heavily from BFG main rules, changing a few things, and making a make-your-own ship designer.

Instead of fleet actions you would have 1 to 3 ships, perhaps some fighters, and maybe a mine or two.

This way we could have the Enterprise square off against Battlestar Galactica or an Omega Destroyer vs. an Imperial Star Destroyer. Bring what you want with any ship that is about the right size for the game. Could be another use for SW Armada ships or that Star Trek Attack Wing game.

The owner is on holiday until the 3rd of October so there are delays in shipping. We used to play a similar idea, as the rules for ACTA and BFG were so similar we often had mash ups between the two, also used some B5 stuff in x-wing (I say some, I mean Whitestars...) which was a pretty easy conversion to make.
I guess the only issue will be the hefty bases that Armada ships come with as BFG measures from base stem to stem. How are you thinking about stating things so that the different techs mesh?

My idea was to basically have the ships "feel" right within themselves, but be generic in the game. IE, a StarDestroyer having rules for shields, a few fighters, average speed/handling, light anti-fighter, strong anti ship. Battlestar Galatica would have no shields, stonger hull armor (different mechanic to shields) , LOTS of fighters, lots of anti-fighter, and average anti-ship.

Basically, I wanted to start off with generic "hulls" in the rules. Three different sizes at X, Y, and Z points. You then keep adding systems (flight hangers, different types of weapons, more or less reactor cores, shield generators, armor plates, warp-jump generators, etc.) for different points up to the maximum allotment for that ship size. Keep your fleet under the allotted points.

You could either run one super-ship, or a handful of smaller ships. This wouldn't all be about slugging it out either, there would be mission objectives.

Sounds fun! Also sounds like the various RPG ship source books are going to be your friends. How are you going to go about movement as the various ship types all behave very differently? Template based or more traditional? Found the BFG and ACTA systems to be the best for this, especially in the way they handle turns but for something like a Battlestar I imagine it would just sit like a brick compared to B5 or ST.

I'd like to have the three ship sizes all have a different armor rating, maximum number of "support systems", speed, and turn rate.

For the armor and shields, I think I might rip-off the mechanic currently used in 40k as far as armor mods, and also have shields be the equivalent to a 6+ invulnverable (unless you have 2 shields, then a 5+). So, for instance a "medium" ship would have standard armor of 5+, but if it has armor plates it has a 4+ save, and shield generators for a 6+ unmodifiable save.

Other "system" ideas include:

Secondary power core: This allows you to run one of many systems that require extra power, or will let you ignore the effects of a primary power core damage result. Having a functional secondary power core would be a prerequisite for using certain systems like shields, warp jump generator, or Vector thrusters.

Vector Thrusters: turn a little faster, or add a little more speed.

Warp Jump Generator: A once per battle teleport to another area of the board (instead of moving).

Hangar bays: each would allow a wing of fighters to launch and act as a separate entity. They can attack ships, shoot down incoming missiles, or even be sacrificed to incoming fire to protect the carrier ship.

Energy or beam weapons (a catch-all for all laser like guns): moderate damage, moderate points cost, easy to aim. 180 degrees of fire (nominate this as a bow, starboard, port, or stern gun)

Flak batteries: (imagining this as a template) short range, light damage to capital ships, but sure-hits on fighters and incoming missiles. Can also lower hit chances of other weapons if in between ships. 360 degree arc of fire.

Slug throwers(guns): More primitive than beam weapons, less points cost, 360 degrees of fire.

Missiles/torpedoes: 90 degree arc of fire (nominate if it's a bow, stern, port, or starboard arc). Moving template (BFG style) hard to hit something and able to be intercepted, but devastating damage when it hits.

Mine layer: stern orientation only. Like an immobile missile, but bigger.

Reinforced Prow: Adds one armor to shots coming from the front of the ship. Will help if ramming.

Response Crews: Small chance of repairing damage to the ship.



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ingtaer wrote:
for something like a Battlestar I imagine it would just sit like a brick compared to B5 or ST.

Actually, during a B5 vs. BSG debate, I was able to prove that the Galactica has a faster shown turning rate than a Omega Destroyer. (Fastest turn rate in the BSG show was in the miniseries, for the Omega Destroyer, the Episode Shattered Dreams).

 cuda1179 wrote:
Actually, during a B5 vs. BSG debate, I was able to prove that the Galactica has a faster shown turning rate than a Omega Destroyer. (Fastest turn rate in the BSG show was in the miniseries, for the Omega Destroyer, the Episode Shattered Dreams).

Was that the episode Delenn faced down some EAF ships sent to destroy B5 right after they left the Earth Alliance? Up to that point I'd never seen a capital ship in B5 make a U-turn that fast! "Be. Somewhere. Else." indeed!

I'm not surprised Omega Destroyers turn like the Titanic. They do have those huge grav decks acting as a major gyroscope. The amazing thing is that they can turn at all.

Have you checked out Full Thrust? I've never played but it seems to be the established game for making/importing ship designs.

 Vulcan wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Actually, during a B5 vs. BSG debate, I was able to prove that the Galactica has a faster shown turning rate than a Omega Destroyer. (Fastest turn rate in the BSG show was in the miniseries, for the Omega Destroyer, the Episode Shattered Dreams).

Was that the episode Delenn faced down some EAF ships sent to destroy B5 right after they left the Earth Alliance? Up to that point I'd never seen a capital ship in B5 make a U-turn that fast! "Be. Somewhere. Else." indeed!

I'm not surprised Omega Destroyers turn like the Titanic. They do have those huge grav decks acting as a major gyroscope. The amazing thing is that they can turn at all.

Yup. shattered dreams is the B5 breaks from Earth force story (and the EA send in the troops).

That Iron winds thread is well out of date and they no longer appear to sell anything related. However it does seem like AoG's remaining stock is pretty inexhaustible...
Managed to scrape together some players for a six way campaign using the old ACTA 2nd edition rules even after all this time (thank goodness I had the sense to scan them and the tokens years ago)! Been binge watching the series in anticipation of getting my hands on my new ships, just wish I remembered how in hell one paints Narn dazzle or Whitestar schemes.

Last I heard anything on the matter was that Ironwind Metals got a hold of a set of molds when Mongoose got a chold of the license to make ACTA, with the intent of updating the molds and producing new miniatures. They were also in the process of getting the fleet action molds as well when Warner Brothers pulled the licenses in their entirety.

Then I ran across AgentOne... yes THAT AgentOne. Bruce Mcgraw of the original Agents of Gaming. I purchased several of his stock, and in the process of doing so struck up a conversation with him. As it turns out, he has his own set of molds for both the large scale and fleet action B5 ships. However, he admitted that the molds were showing their age and when they fail, there is no new molds to work with or recreate to make more miniatures. For the most part they are in good shape, but your mileage may vary. So they are still somewhat in production but as time drags on, eventually you will likely have to find it on e-bay.