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Alright, the question is very straight forward: during the gathering of terran recruits for the newly founded space marine legions, was there any legion that recruited from a M30 equivalent of Italy (or an area that might have included an italian equivalent, such as a mediterranean equivalent or even a european equivalent)? If yes, could you mention the source from where your answer come from?

Now before you answer, i really need to specify a few points:

  • I do not want to hear about the legion's own culture (for example, the ultramarines being romans or the space wolves being vikings), as that culture is based on the one native to the worlds the primarch landed on, not from the actual terran regions they initially recruited from.
  • I am perfectly aware that, in the 30th millenium, Earth would be extremely different from how it is today, it's an information that we've probably all learnt during elementary school, so there is no need to explain me that again. However, it is a known fact that almost every terran location mentioned is named after modern existing places, although with slight changes, to indicate a development of the modern world. I really don't need another lesson about the movement of tectonic plates. What i'm asking about is an equivalent of Italy, the mass of emerged lands that were once shaped like a boot and named the italian peninsula.
  • I'm also aware that an equivalent of Italy might not have been an indipendent land anymore, having been instead part of a bigger empire (for example, an empire that united all of south Europe). In that case (or in any case, really) please do not stop to explain to me that the current italian republic would no longer exist or other similar trivia, i already know, just tell me about the greater region that the italian equivalent is a part of instead.

  • I know that i might sound rude with these three points but, after Emperor knows how many people not understanding my question and always saying the exact same three things, i believe my wish for clarity to be quite comprehensible.

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    There's not much reference to Europe, beyond Albyon (Britain) or Franc (France) - geographically, the nearest to Italy is Greece, which was a recruitment ground for the Thousand Sons, or Albyon which recruited Iron Hands, Night Lords and Death Guard.

    Take that as you will?


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    I don't think we have enough information about the geography of M30 Earth to be able to know whether the area we know as Italy or the Mediterranean still exists.
    For what it is worth, there is no mention of an area that could be Italy. Some names of areas on Earth that are given in the fluff are obviously derived from present-day names (Afrik, Hy-Brasil) or historical names (Achaemenid Empire). But there is no such name derived from Italy.
    Only thing that could be Mediterranean afaik is the nation that is called Boeotia, which is an area of Greece irl.

    There simply is almost no fluff about this early history of the Imperium or of Earth before the Imperium.

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    I see. Well, thanks anyway, i guess i'll just improvise something.

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    This is just supposition, But I'm thinking the BA for the mainland streching down to the rad lands of Tatooine, I mean Tunisa and Libya. Mainly for the art and fashion
    While the Islands and their criminal gangs down to Algeria belong to Horus.
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    The first recorded battle honour of the Imperial Fists is a ceramite icon marked "Roma".

    Given the fist's tendancy to recruit from former battlefields, I'd say they were most likely.

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    I'd imagine quite a few space marines were originally gangsters. They'd use tommy guns instead of bolter rifles, and then send the enemies of the Emperor to sleep with the fishes.


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    locarno24 wrote:
    The first recorded battle honour of the Imperial Fists is a ceramite icon marked "Roma".

    Given the fist's tendancy to recruit from former battlefields, I'd say they were most likely.


    He, maybe it's a reference to Roma people (gypsies)!

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    Where are the thousand sons referenced to have recruited from Greece (boetia in Horus Heresy novels)?

    As for Italy, I imagine that the Imperial Fists probably recruited from the area, nobles might have been sent to the emperors children, trouble makers to the Ultramarines.

    But for some reason I imagine most of the classical Greco-Roman world was the first place he looked for his Custodes. Again, that's not canon, but he does love his Greco-Roman-Byzantine influences.

       
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    Italy

    Battle honours irl are named after their locations.

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     FeindusMaximus wrote:
    The Emperor was from Turkey.

    True but that was over 30,000 years before the first Space Marines were created. Not much of a connection and the Big E was not known for his sentimentality.

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    Theres something in Restorer about a Scar revisiting a lonely village to return a sword. Just before Horus turned up. He was after a Svensellen. A Skandmark.
    But the humie descendents were told he was to be part of Horus's legion. Which only leaves one possibility, as to who it was.
    So whether they were just put wherever a spot was, who knows yet.

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    Theres something in Restorer about a Scar revisiting a lonely village to return a sword. Just before Horus turned up. He was after a Svensellen. A Skandmark.
    But the humie descendents were told he was to be part of Horus's legion. Which only leaves one possibility, as to who it was.
    So whether they were just put wherever a spot was, who knows yet.


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     Karhedron wrote:
     FeindusMaximus wrote:
    The Emperor was from Turkey.

    True but that was over 30,000 years before the first Space Marines were created. Not much of a connection and the Big E was not known for his sentimentality.

    Also, Turkey did not exist at that time.

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    It's possible or unlikely. Yeah.

    What we know: In Unification Wars, Franc (France) opposed Emperor and they were beaten. I kind of doubt they would have been chosen as Thunder Warriors or Space Marines.

    What we don't know: The fate of Italy is not known. It might have existed then or it might have not. Who knows? And what happened to it during Unification Wars is a mystery.

    Anyway, my impression/guess is that the european nations were quite belligerent during the Unification Wars. And those who did not surrender were beaten. And if you were a beaten nation, I would imagine that the Emperor didn't trust you as much. Though maybe some european nations did play ball with the Emperor and were spared? There's no way to know. Italy (or the equivalent of it*) might have fought the Emperor's armies valiantly but ultimately, in vain. Or it might have allied with the Emperor and, for example, offer military bases that could be used against Franc. I think both are likely scenarios.

    *Do note that this is far future. Like... about 28,000 years in the future.

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