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No thread for this that shows up on a search, so I figured with the first full trailer landing, now's the time.
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Not my thing if the trailer's anything to go by, the music's off putting. Though The Punisher never really appealed to me as a series. I do remember his cameo in that old Spider-Man game.
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I thought it is going to be damn fantastic. I hope they keep it a more metal soundtrack. Cage had traditional hip hop and rap beats that made it for me watching it. Metal is Punisher, especially if they make it Gerard style.
Kap'n Krump wrote: I still feel like the punisher could easily kill both the hand AND the defenders.
Frank's superpower is lots of bullets. Putting him up against Luke Cage seems like it'd be like a deathmatch between Superman and Krypt-O-Nite, the magically animated chunk of radioactive rock.
Definitely looking forward to this, though! Jon Bernthal's a perfect Punisher and it's something to tide me over until more Jones!
Kap'n Krump wrote: I still feel like the punisher could easily kill both the hand AND the defenders.
Frank's superpower is lots of bullets. Putting him up against Luke Cage seems like it'd be like a deathmatch between Superman and Krypt-O-Nite, the magically animated chunk of radioactive rock.
Definitely looking forward to this, though! Jon Bernthal's a perfect Punisher and it's something to tide me over until more Jones!
I disagree. He uses a lot of bullets, but he is supposed to be a tactical genius. It is very rare that anybody gets the drop on him and he almost always has the upper hand. He strikes out of nowhere and he tries to know as much about the person he is killing as he can. He doesn't like to halfass a job. If he is going to kill somebody, he is going to do it right.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: I've been looking forward to this since they announced he was getting a stand alone. The Punisher parts of DD season 2 were the best.
You and me both buddy! I was blown away at his Punisher and wanted more. Thats how the Punisher should be, ice cold, totally off his rocker but yet totally understandable as well. And brutally violent
Kap'n Krump wrote: I still feel like the punisher could easily kill both the hand AND the defenders.
Frank's superpower is lots of bullets. Putting him up against Luke Cage seems like it'd be like a deathmatch between Superman and Krypt-O-Nite, the magically animated chunk of radioactive rock.
Definitely looking forward to this, though! Jon Bernthal's a perfect Punisher and it's something to tide me over until more Jones!
I disagree. He uses a lot of bullets, but he is supposed to be a tactical genius. It is very rare that anybody gets the drop on him and he almost always has the upper hand. He strikes out of nowhere and he tries to know as much about the person he is killing as he can. He doesn't like to halfass a job. If he is going to kill somebody, he is going to do it right.
I agree. I personally think he would wipe the floor with the Defenders. He killed all of Marvel that one time so really....
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This is starting to smell a little too fan-boi-ish in here!
The fact that the Punisher exists/continues to operate at all in the Marvel Universe is probably one of the biggest unexplained mysteries/biggest goof ups going...!
Having said that, I'm sure this series will be excellent - expecially in the more 'grounded' setting that Marvel Netflix seems to exist in.
Lots of military weapons. That include stuff like C4 and rocket launcher when the plots require it. Like when he blew away most of Wolverines body.
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Alpharius wrote: This is starting to smell a little too fan-boi-ish in here!
I get where you are coming from here. I think I probably would fanboy on him pretty hard if I had access to his comics. Most of what I know is from Wikipedia though.
I am really interested in the Netflix show though. I thought Berenthal did a phenomenal job portraying him in DD S2. I didn't really like Berenthal in TWD at all, but he killed it as the Punisher. Really excited about it. Seems like Netflix has the right idea for how to portray him. I would like to see him get out of New York though. Maybe travel to some other cities to cause mayhem. They could introduce new street level heroes through run-ins with The Punisher.
I am just really excited about what could be here.
I'm a little on the fence about this. The guy playing the Punisher did a great job in DD, and I was really enjoying that series and his subplot, but it really dragged by the end, when it got in to the part about the government conspiracy. I'm not sure if that's because there was something inherently uninteresting about Castly switching his murder from generic street scum to generic corrupt government dudes, or if its because that plot didn't do well set against the more fantastical ninja element of DD.
There's also an issue that the Punisher like a lot of anti-heroes tends to do better as a character in someone else's story.
But Marvel has done a good job with its Netflix shows so far, so I guess they should get the benefit of the doubt.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote: But Marvel has done a good job with its Netflix shows so far...
Have they though?
DDS1 and JJ were basically fine, with only a few pacing issues. DDS2 went off the rails by the end, even if it started stronger than any of the other shows did. Luke Cage committed the cardinal sin of being boring, no matter how polished it was. Iron Fist was awful, if entertaining in parts. And Defenders was... fine. I liked it. Lots of people did. Lots of people didn't. Lots of people thought it lost the plot.
Really I think Netflix are at 50/50 with their shows.
DDS1 and JJ were basically fine, with only a few pacing issues. DDS2 went off the rails by the end, even if it started stronger than any of the other shows did. Luke Cage committed the cardinal sin of being boring, no matter how polished it was. Iron Fist was awful, if entertaining in parts. And Defenders was... fine. I liked it. Lots of people did. Lots of people didn't. Lots of people thought it lost the plot.
Really I think Netflix are at 50/50 with their shows.
I agree about DD, good show with pacing issues. JJ I thought was pretty good. On Cage I think our views are similar, I'd say it was a slick productiont that tended to be a bit, you appear to say the same with the opposite emphasis. I agree Iron Fist was awful, I haven't finished it. I haven't watched Defenders yet.
It may be that we see the same shows, score them the same, but a grading on a different curve. I see these shows as something to watch when I've got a spare hour. They work well on that level.
If you expect something more than that, I can see how you'd score them much more harshly.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I think Dare Devil is actually most entertaining the second time though when you start noticing that the villains would get away with a lot if they didn't do stupidly unnecessary things.
I never finished Jessica Jones myself. Luke Cage and Iron Fist I think both suffered from arc drag. There was lots of cool and interesting stuff, but Luke Cage I think wasted a more interesting villain too early in its run and replaced him with a far more mediocre one (one with a way too cheesy and coincidental connection to the main character imo). Iron Fist just dragged for the first half, maybe 2/3s of its season, and then quit right as things started to get interesting.
Look forward to the Punisher. I think the guy they picked to play Castle puts on the perfect air of unhinged and scary as feth
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All of them suffer from arc drag. Each series is 3 episodes too long (never more exemplified than in DDS2). Hell they probably could'a done Defenders in 6 episodes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to Punisher, but I think it's another 13 episode series, so we're likely going to see the same issue with it dragging either in the middle (like JJ did), or just flat out going haywire by the end (like DDS2).
On the bright side folks, at least it's not Inhumans.