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Howdy all, just got the new DG codex and I'm a bit confused. I'll preface this by saying I've not got the CSM codex so maybe the answer is in there...

Now you're building a DG army and there's obviously a few units missing for those of us that have been playing for a while, is there anything stopping me from taking Helldrakes, Oblits etc. and just changing their <Legion> keyword to Death Guard? I can't seem to find anything in the codex forbidding this, unlike the list presented in the Index, which had restrictions on what could get the DG keyword.

Now, if a "Death Guard Detachment" is not this and is literally only everything taken from the book (again, where does it say this?), then how does it gel with the legacy units such as Lords and Sorcerers on Palanquins which GW has told us we can totally use.

I'm stuck here on just trying to make a legal army out of my stuff. Thanks in advance.
   
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A 'Death Guard Detachment' is defined on page 96 of the codex as "... any Detachment which includes only DEATH GUARD units..."

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 Ghaz wrote:
A 'Death Guard Detachment' is defined on page 96 of the codex as "... any Detachment which includes only DEATH GUARD units..."


Which doesn't answer the question.

You can change <Legion> to DG, where does it say this cannot be done?

GW has said you can take legacy units from the indexes with the codexe's new relics etc. Both the Lord and Sorcerer of Palanquin, whom GW have flat out stated you can take are not "Death Guard" units until you change the <legion> keyword.
   
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That is the definition of what constitutes a 'Death Guard Detachment' per Games Workshop, regardless of whether or not it answers your question or not.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
That is the definition of what constitutes a 'Death Guard Detachment' per Games Workshop, regardless of whether or not it answers your question or not.


So where are these units sourced from? There was a lot of hullabaloo over losing certain units that had been previously available, is there anything in the CSM codex that restricts one from changing the <legion> keyword to DG?
   
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Yes it mentions you can't, sure someone can link the text?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok won't let me paste but says you can't cause they have their own book

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 Elgrun wrote:
Yes it mentions you can't, sure someone can link the text?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok won't let me paste but says you can't cause they have their own book


Right, I've "found" a copy of the CSM codex and just read that, so there's that answered.

Now, does this restriction apply to the Index units?
   
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As far as I understand chaos index has no relevance to units that have their own codex now
   
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The list of units which can take the death guard keyword is in the chaos index (and slightly corrected in the chaos index faq)

I believe the only still applicable ones are the Lord and sorceror on palanquin

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 Elgrun wrote:
As far as I understand chaos index has no relevance to units that have their own codex now


Sorry, I'm specifically referring to Lords and Sorcerers on Palanquins.
   
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If a Deatchmebt is made up solely of units that can take the Keyword DEATH GUARD it's a Death Guard Detachment. Does that really need explaining?

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Page 116 of the Chaos Space Marine Codex states that Death Guard and Thousand Sons (and fallen) deviate too much from the basic Chaos Space Marine Organization and thus you cannot use those legion's keywords.

As for Legacy Index units, in the <LEGION> section of the index (page 10 of the Index: Chaos) it notes that DEATH GUARD and THOUSAND SONS have additional restrictions detailed later in the book (in their respective army sections). Only units listed in the respective army sections can get the DEATH GUARD or THOUSAND SONS keyword, which is how you select these legacy units.

Note on something weird I noticed: The Sorceror on Palanquin of Nurgle is not listed in the Death Guard Army list for some reason. Maybe the FAQ updated this but it seems very weird to me why the Chaos Lord is allowed but the Sorceror was omitted.

EDIT: As I thought, the FAQ adds the Sorceror on Palanquin to the Death Guard list. Ignore that last paragraph above. It's just a typo.

Basically the long short of it is: Give them the Mark of Nurgle and you can have either a Lord or Sorceror on Palaquin in your DEATH GUARD Detachment without ruining the Legion Tactics.

EDIT: Heldrakes are still out though, as the Chaos Codex specifically forbids that version from having it, and the Index does not allow it to get the DEATH GUARD keyword either.


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The sorcerer on palanquin is in a weird spot, RAW it cannot use dark hereticus from the heretic astartes codex and has to use the more limited set from the index. I somewhat expect it to be faqed and likely remove dark hereticus altogether for the contagion discipline from DG book.

The index units on the index list of what can be DG can be used as long g as those units were not replaced by the DG codex.
   
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Per the CSM codex you cannot replace <LEGION> with either Death Guard or Thousand Sons.
   
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Qlanth wrote:
Per the CSM codex you cannot replace <LEGION> with either Death Guard or Thousand Sons.


In CSM codex entries.

In Index: Chaos entries that appear in the Death Guard section's unit list but not in Codex: Death Guard, you can change <legion> to death guard.

And one of the various FAQ(I think it is Stepping into) specifically states that if your index entry did not make it into the codex that you should use the index entry with codex points for wargear and codex special rules.

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