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So, in general I like the new DG. Some of the models are a bit busy but nothing a knife, clippers and greenstuff (no pun intended) can't sort.

But.......Typhus. No, just absolutely not! One of the greatest threats to the IoM now looks like a Saturday morning cartoon villain off Scooby Doo!

What do the guys and gals of dakka think?

Pretty similar opinion to you. Overall I think it has been a brilliant release. I'm pleased with the rules, with the art and lore in the codex, I love Mortarion, etc. It's easy to focus on the negatives, but I am pleased and have happily been picking up nearly everything that has come out. I hope GW are encouraged to do the other Cult Legions in this way. Some models (well, many) are far busier than I'd like, but that's just what I've come to expect from GW nowadays.

What has bothered me about this release is the move towards monopose models. Kits like the Blightlords and Deathshroud having to be assembled a certain way with minimal customisation is a big step back from the Blightkings kit from WHFB, which was absolutely spectacular. Having monopose enables some great details, but they could still have done alternate assemblies for some of the more important models. We'll have to see how the Plague Marines turn out. The Deathshroud in particular were disappointing, as I can't see why you'd want to buy two boxes to form a unit of 6 when you're forced into repeating the same 3 poses twice, with only different heads separating the non-Champions. Even the Champion has minimal options and is stuck with the same pose as the 'non Champion' version of his assembly. The Blightlords don't come with the massive amount of heads and alternative parts I've come to expert from some of GW's better kits. It's taken a bit of the luster off two kits I was chomping at the bit for.

Typhus was a big disappointment too. Now that we know the flies are removable, I'm fine with everything except the pose. His first incarnation was an iconic, looming threat that just oozed menace, while his new one has the kind of heroic pose you'd expect from...well, nearly any other faction other than Death Guard. I'm not sure what they were thinking with him, Destroyer Hive or not, as even his brand new art in the codex is fantastic and intimidating.

As it stands I'm a fan of the new Death Guard units being released.

The models are incredibly detailed but I feel as though they're managing to walk the metaphorical tightrope when it comes to overcrowding the models with far too much detail.

With particular regard to Typhus, my only hang up with the model is the nurgling hanging off his armour. I like the destroyer hive swarming out of the funnels in his back and I quite like his pose although I'd have perhaps gone a slightly different route.

I think a more Grim Dark paint scheme would probably do the models more justice as well.

Bit too bright for my liking.

Would love to see FW paint them up.

Not a fan at all. This could have been fixed with moving all of the stupid nurglings and over-excessive tentacles to bits that you "can" attach if you really want them. The entire aesthetic of the models - short of Mortarion (who can be saved with a good paintjob) are really underwhelming. I've seen some paintjobs which can save some of the basic marines, but on the whole, massively disappointed.

He does look a bit busy, but it could be due to the little nurgling things around him? I did a quick photoshop job and he looks quite a bit better without them, maybe even better with his left fist clenched too?

I think they are a big let down. I find them very comical especially Typhus. Absolutely overcrowded. Haven't GW ever heard the saying less is more?

IMO this is how Death Guard should look like!
Then again GW plastic minis can not reach the texture/details like hand sculpted resin minis can.





The paint job is spot on.

I always preferred rusty Plague Marines over fleshy ones, or at least leaning in that direction. I'm not opposed to a measure of mutation, if it doesn't interfere with the overall impression of the model. Sadly GW decided otherwise, so my interest in these models is slim. I'll still consider select ones for my Black Legion, but I'm damn glad I don't play Death Guard or else this would have been one disappointing release for me.

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
He does look a bit busy, but it could be due to the little nurgling things around him? I did a quick photoshop job and he looks quite a bit better without them, maybe even better with his left fist clenched too?

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My issue isn't that GW throws random crap on models at all, but that it's just a little too much. Like they don't know when to stop. I've always been ok with busy models, but the new Death Guard are taking it a step too far for me. I recently assembled a Techpriest Dominus and just cutting down the targeter on the pope hat and leaving away the servo skull does wonders to give him a more cohesive silhouette. Same with your photoshop. Just leaving off the Nurgling and swirly crap significantly improves the model and gives it a shape that's easier on the eye.

I am content with any one mutation. Just not that many on a single model. "Too busy" is the fairest description.

Typhus in particular could easily be kit bashed out of the new termis.n Wouldn't buy the regular version.

I love the new DG stuff, and even Typhus is growing on me.

I think it's safe to say that Typhus' head will end up on a lot of the Deathshroud terminators for new "counts as" models. They're still over the top, but about 115% less obnoxious than the Typhus "1980's rock show" figure.

(hears as "Guards of Death...ARE YOU READY ROT!" with a blaring guitar solo)

Really poor release overall for me.
Morty has grown somewhat with the alternative paint schemes but Typhus is appalling as are some of the termy kits.
I know Nurgle always had a slightly tongue in cheek vibe - Papa Nurgle and his wandering brigades but GW have ramped that up to levels of sillyness :(

This is Nurgle for me

I love the DG stuff. Except for Typhus. For me, it's the pose. Like he's hitting the high note of the key somg of a highschool musical. His scythe may as well be a microphone. He even has the jazz hands to go with it. Major miss imo.

Tycho wrote:
I love the DG stuff. Except for Typhus. For me, it's the pose. Like he's hitting the high note of the key somg of a highschool musical. His scythe may as well be a microphone. He even has the jazz hands to go with it. Major miss imo.

If you cut off the scythe blade and maybe run a cable from the bottom of the shaft somewhere, the scythe should make for a pretty decent microphone.

Damn, I think you made the model good for me. Couple of repairs and minor conversions and a pink paint job and he could make for a pretty cool Slaanesh lord.

DeathGuard had always been my least favourite Chaos Army, and Nurgle my least favourite chaos god aesthetically (Ok no, that one is Slaanesh) but at the same time my favourite in terms of personality and lore.

This new DG release has made me start a DG army, my first 40k Chaos Army, so personally... even if I have some problems, like hte lack of customization, or the Typhus phose, I'm loving most of it.

Previous Typhus version is better imo. He looks quiet and sinister (SBD) in that one. New Typhus looks very happy to be here...flew in from the warp and boy are his arms tired! New Lord of Contagion model is very good and would make a great Typhus conversion (except for that icon on the top, thats gotta go). i love the poxwalkers, bloat drones, and PM champion minus the horns and flies. I see the cartoon element but i think it can be fixed with removing some of the flare ( horns, flies, and bells) theyve added.

The greatest threat to the IoM has been a saturday morning cartoon villain since the beginning. Seriously, Abaddon literally behaves in the exact same way villains in chilren's cartoons behave.
I like the new Typhus model. The pose is silly and I am not a fan of the nurgling hanger-on, but the rest looks pretty awesome. I particularly like the flies.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
The greatest threat to the IoM has been a saturday morning cartoon villain since the beginning. Seriously, Abaddon literally behaves in the exact same way villains in chilren's cartoons behave.
I like the new Typhus model. The pose is silly and I am not a fan of the nurgling hanger-on, but the rest looks pretty awesome. I particularly like the flies.

I certainly appreciate where you are coming from but Abby doesn't fall into that category for me.

If you read Master of Mankind and realise what Drac'nyen is and the fact he launched a black crusade to get that entity then you know he means business.

No more armless jokes please.

I don't particularly like Typhus or the abundabce of monopose, but Ilove the DG models overall. I think their squicky, mutated look is great, and they're a lot of fun to paint. They really bring out my inner horror buff. "I'm going to need plenty of fresh blood seeping out around this tentacle. And vomit! Tons of vomit!"

I really hope the Plague Marines are a home run with a lot ore customization than there is in the other kits. Ihave several sets of DI Plague Marines, so hopefully one box will set me straight with enough bits to convert them all!

Also, Typhus has, by the fluffs reckoning, killed upwards of billions.

Ponder that one.

That model does not evoke that image nor feeling.


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 Ratius wrote:
Really poor release overall for me.
Morty has grown somewhat with the alternative paint schemes but Typhus is appalling as are some of the termy kits.
I know Nurgle always had a slightly tongue in cheek vibe - Papa Nurgle and his wandering brigades but GW have ramped that up to levels of sillyness :(

This is Nurgle for me

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Nice minnies.

Don't have a problem with the general look of the DG; I think they're mostly really nice. But the monopose/limited options thing is lame; as someone else said, the AoS Blightkings are a great example of how to do this stuff right. And Typhus is absolute chod; he looks like he's in the middle of falling over. The original is so much better.

All (30+) of my Plague Marines are metal, and there's like... 5 sculpts total?

Just at compare the old to new. A few pot bellies. Half face. Uncle fester heads. Minor damage. That's it.

It was decent at the time but let's not kid. The new kits are Miles above.



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Also, we seem to be hung up on monopose.

But how many action figure poses were we really getting out of previous kits? Gun arm up in air, gun arm chest leveled, gun held low. Mix and repeat with chain sword hand. Head turned left. Head turned right. Toilet bowl squat.

I know we all like to remember the good ol days.... But were they really?

My only real issue with Typhus is his pose and open jazz hand. But overall the release is solid..if a bit different from the past more grimdark and gore guts brutal look. They are definitely less realistic and more cartoonish or stylized. Like there is less photorealism involved in the artwork and style. But this is also reflected in the digital clean sterile photoshopped artwork.

For the price the options in the kits aren't particularly amazing, imo there should have been more heads and bits for cutomization in the blightlords box. The actual look and quality of the models is far better than the older sculpts. But the art style has gotten less interesting and gritty.

Take a look at the sprue. You do not have to add that swarm of flies, it's an entirely optional piece. Clip away that Nurgling and you have a decently clean sculpt.

What I don't get is why they had to redo the sculpt in the first place. The "old" Typhus sculpt looked fair enogh I think.

I'm not really a fan of most of the new DG stuff in general. Part of it may be the paintjob, it's way too clean, the armor, aside from the rends, looks clean and functional. They don't look dirty, decayed, or diseased. They don't look like something out of a gross swamp or that clawed its way out of a pile of rotting corpses.

Part of it is also the sculpting. The flair bits are annoying exaggerated, the detail is "busy" and stuck on there for its own sake instead of feeling organic to the model, and just looks very...well, WoW-ey, like many GW plastics of the last 7 or so years.

The Typhus model lacks the menace of the older model, the older model is standing in a good fighting stance, weapon ready, immediately ready to fight something, and presents a feeling of imminent danger. The new one looks like he's doing a victory lap and is just more cartoony in general.

I'm a new player, but I really like it. Honestly I found the older sculpt, although not ugly, to be just plain boring to look at.
That said, I still like the 30k Typhon even better.

My overall opinion may also be influenced because the very first fluff I ever read that included the Death Guard was a short story in Treacheries of the SM anthology, where the images described there very much fit the looks of the new models.

Typhus is the only one in the line I'm not in love with, but we got Deathshroud terminators that look as good as original Typhus. The rest I'm nuts about - I love that an army so long ignored has received such a total overhaul. Like, they're not just a modifier or a mark in the CSM codex, they're as different as Ironjaws are from Bonesplitters.

But, I get where they won't be everyone's cup of tea - nothing is. On my end, I have another army to paint

I've been thinking a lot on this and have yet to reach any conclusion. My current DG army is out of date to the point where I can't field much without complete proxy (Chainsword + Bolter doesn't fly no more), but as others have mentioned the new DG stuff is terribly busy. I'm almost tempted to take Primaris Marines, scrape off the eagles, combine Intercessors and Hellblasters to make MkX Death Guard. I'm still in wait and see mode hoping the boxed sets of Plague Marines and Poxwalkers can be assembled to be a bit simpler/less cartoonish.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'm not really a fan of most of the new DG stuff in general. Part of it may be the paintjob, it's way too clean, the armor, aside from the rends, looks clean and functional. They don't look dirty, decayed, or diseased. They don't look like something out of a gross swamp or that clawed its way out of a pile of rotting corpses.

Part of it is also the sculpting. The flair bits are annoying exaggerated, the detail is "busy" and stuck on there for its own sake instead of feeling organic to the model, and just looks very...well, WoW-ey, like many GW plastics of the last 7 or so years.

The Typhus model lacks the menace of the older model, the older model is standing in a good fighting stance, weapon ready, immediately ready to fight something, and presents a feeling of imminent danger. The new one looks like he's doing a victory lap and is just more cartoony in general.

If they put too much stuff on the armor, I think it would be accused of being too busy. Between the smoke, flies, and Nurglings, there are already enough accusations of that.

Typhus looks really bad to me and this thread has helped me work out why. Well, not bad exactly (I can appreciate the skill in the sculpt and detail) but not like Typhus. I think it is a combination of:

- Cartoony aesthetic. All the bold lines and shapes take away from my preferred grittier style for Nurgle. I mean, who thought those flies fitted in? What are they, the size of cats!? Just out of scale and comical to boot
- Busy sculpt. Too much going on. That actually helps take away the cartoony profile a bit but 2 wrongs don't make a right...
- The pose. I was going to describe it as camp. It reminded me of a panto villain. However, as other posters have pointed out it is probably more reminiscent of 80s hair rock

Now, yes, you can leave off some details and try to carve off or sculpt over others but that's a lot of work and still leaves a weird dynamic pose. Overall the DG releases have been too comical/cartoony for me. I know Nurgle has a slight toungue in cheek cheerfulness but it is like the designers turned that up to 11 and dialled everything else down. I would have preferred the odd nod to humour (I love that grinning termie from the earlier teaser pictures, for example).

Now this is all personal preference but it makes me fear for the Emporer's children release I am hopeful for...