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Made in gr
Psychic Prisoner aboard a Black Ship




Greece

So, here is a list I thought I would make for the Grey Knights. It is not going to be competitive or anything. I just want to collect and paint miniatures, while still having a playable army, in case I ever find a 40k game with someone (rare occurrence I guess). Haven't bought the Codex yet, but I will in the future mainly for the fluff.

Battalion detachment

HQs
Librarian in Terminator armor (I know this guy is supposed to be really good and I would give him a Warding stave I kept from the Termie box)
Kaldor Draigo / Brother Captain Stern (this is where I need help choosing, as Draigo is supposed to be a high cost beast in combat, while Stern might help with the Purifiers)

Troops
5 man squad Termies with 3 Halberds, 1 Daemonhammer, 1 pair of Falchions (was going to make full halberd, but I decided to add some other weapon instead) and 1 Psycannon
5 man Strike Squad (either Swords or Falchions and I haven't decided about heavy weapons)
5 man Strike Squad (either Swords or Falchions and I haven't decided about heavy weapons)

Elites
1 or 2 5 man Purifier squads (I know they might be worse in 8th edition, but I really want them in my army and I know they benefit from Brother Captains) (haven't decided again on how to equip them, but they will most likely have 2 heavy incinerators, since I will be having them for "drive by"s)
1 Venerable Dreadnought (again, I want this model in an army, but I haven't decided on equipment and it can be omitted, for an option that serves the army better)

Heavy support
1 Dreadknight (he will have teleporter, sword and a heavy weapon that I haven't thought of yet)

Transport
Rhino / Razorback (either Rhino and 10 Purifiers or Razorback and 5 Purifiers)

What do you think? Can this army be any good? Any changes are welcome and if someone told me how to equip the Strike and Purifier squads, that would be really helpful.

Slightly irrelevant questions: Does the Nemesis Strike Force still exist? And what happened to a Grey Knight starter box called Vanguard or something? It seemed to have a good value for what it gave.

I am the Hammer,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the mail about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous,
I am the End.

 
   
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GREETINGS FELLOW KNGIHT!

hey man, im a grey knight player too, and just wanted to give some advice!

so lets go down your list. one by one.
first dragio is way better than stern on many levels, he is much tougher, much harder hitting, and his buff is insane (re-roll all hits for freinddly grey knights within 6') but another one you should look at is voldus, he is also very killy, really tough, and a lot cheaper than the warp crusader.
also a libby isnt a bad choice, however a grandmaster is also a really great choice. you can arm him with a better gun, a sweet hammer, and give him the warlord trait first to the fray (re-roll charges) which is huge. and give him a relic to make him even harder to kill.

for your troops i would drop the termies for now, and go with paladins. paladins are only slightly more expesive and are a lot tougher.arm them the same way you were going to arm your termies. but instead i would use two psylencers. they are mathmatically better.

the strike squads need falchions, swords are good but the extra attack for free doubles thier damage output., just add another cheap strike squad in for your troops. i would also arm them with the psylencer. its super cheap for them and can add a lot of fire power to the small squad.

your right about purifiers not being great right now. but i totally understand taken them just for the cool factor. they cant deep strike so throwing them in a rino to zip them up to the deadly range of their flame is the best idea. the better way to play them is in a storm raven. and the stupid best way is to use a land raider crusaider, get three squads of five and crowe, gate of infinity them in, then charge and flame to death everything.
for the venerable dread lascannons or auto cannons are best, he has great shooting skill and we dont have a lot of anti armor/ long range shooting. i would also give him either gate to throw himself/ other knights around the board to key positions. or astrial aim and have him sit BEHIND cover and snipe anything he wants.
dreadknight should once again take the psylsncer, its just the best weapon math wise.
like i said rino would be best for the purifiers, to get them where they need to go. but a raor back with lasscannons once again helps us with our anti armor gap.
the nemesis strike force is gone. but honestly with the new rules we can alpha strike way harder and more precise then before. and also get turn one charges.
that vangaurd box is gone. its was a one time thing.

 
   
Made in gr
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Greece

Thanks man!
I will take Draigo then, since I don't like Voldus as much (I don't like his face and standing posture and while Draigo is not that pretty either in the face aspect, he has a cool helmet, a cool shield and a nice model overall in my opinion)
About the Grand master, I will check him out.

Ok about psilencers, but are Paladins still considered Troops when you take Draigo? Or will I simply have them for elites and cover my 3 Troop choices with 3 5 man Strike squads?

So, falchions it is for Strike squads.

And I might actually take the Stormraven for the Purifiers. It looks great as a model and I have seen it in a lot of Grey Knights lists.

Also, Dreadknight with psilencer and the Venerable Dreadnought will have one of those two weapons and Astral aim I guess (it's more likely that I will be going for the lascannon).

Again, thanks for helping out. Now it will be easier for me to know what I am going to get next (for a start I will be getting the Strike squad at Christmas, because 10 models and I can make them as Strike squad or Purifiers, while there are 2 more Purifier boxes I can order from my local shop and construct them as Purifiers or Strike Squad)

I am the Hammer,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the mail about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous,
I am the End.

 
   
Made in us
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no problem bud.

and no paladins are elite choices. so maybe bring just a squad of them for startes to run around with dragio, an apothecary running around with them will make them crazy tough too.

I AM THE HAMMER


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Made in gr
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Greece

Alright! I will get the Paladins too!

I am the Hammer,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the mail about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous,
I am the End.

(I should use this as a signature, now that I think about it)

I am the Hammer,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the mail about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous,
I am the End.

 
   
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Dimmamar

Apothecaries are mostly useless in a competitive setting.
The 50% that they do NOTHING each turn is an enormous downside. Healing a couple wounds on a random model each turn does not dramatically improve the durability of a unit.
Usually when the enemy fires at a character, he kills the character in his turn, preventing you from ever getting a chance at healing. Restoring 2 wounds to a Paladin every once in a while, or maybe possibly maybe not resurrecting a Pally isn't worth the points.

It's much better to take Stormravens! And Doomglaive Dreads.

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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Apothecaries are mostly useless in a competitive setting.
The 50% that they do NOTHING each turn is an enormous downside. Healing a couple wounds on a random model each turn does not dramatically improve the durability of a unit.
Usually when the enemy fires at a character, he kills the character in his turn, preventing you from ever getting a chance at healing. Restoring 2 wounds to a Paladin every once in a while, or maybe possibly maybe not resurrecting a Pally isn't worth the points.

It's much better to take Stormravens! And Doomglaive Dreads.


Is this true? The Apothecary with a Daemon Hammer is a potent fighter for 103 points, independent of the Narthecium ability (4 attacks, 2+ WS)... Furthermore, you don't have to roll to regenerate wounds.


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Made in gr
Psychic Prisoner aboard a Black Ship




Greece

Sorry for not seeing the messages. Anyways, I think I will investigate on the Apothecary a bit further before deciding, but I have made my mind to leave the rest of the army as is. Except Kaldor Draigo is a Lord of War, so I will have him at that slot and to have 2 HQs required for the Battalion, I will make my NDK to a GM-NDK and then I will pick between some of the HQ choices left for the last HQ.

I am the Hammer,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the mail about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous,
I am the End.

 
   
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Dimmamar

 KRIEGEEEEER wrote:
Except Kaldor Draigo is a Lord of War

If Draigo is a LoW in your book, then you have an old codex. He's clearly in the HQ section, where he should be.

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"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 
   
Made in gr
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Greece

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 KRIEGEEEEER wrote:
Except Kaldor Draigo is a Lord of War

If Draigo is a LoW in your book, then you have an old codex. He's clearly in the HQ section, where he should be.


Really??? I read online somewhere that he was counted as a Lord of War, but I probably forgot to check the date of the website.
Thanks for informing me. I should have looked at 1d4chan's Grey Knights 8E Tactics page instead.

Anyways, I guess the list is ok then, with Draigo as the first HQ and I will just decide on the second HQ, whether it would be a Librarian, a special character (the more unlikely choice) or the GM NDK (I searched on the guy recently and now that I think about it, he seems like a very good choice). I have also seen him many times in 8th edition Grey Knight armies.

Note: Sorry if I am saying incorrect things, but I don't have the greatest knowledge on Warhammer rules and my only source of information right now is the Internet, so I might have my facts a bit mixed up.

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I am the Hammer,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the mail about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous,
I am the End.

 
   
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 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Apothecaries are mostly useless in a competitive setting.
The 50% that they do NOTHING each turn is an enormous downside. Healing a couple wounds on a random model each turn does not dramatically improve the durability of a unit.
Usually when the enemy fires at a character, he kills the character in his turn, preventing you from ever getting a chance at healing. Restoring 2 wounds to a Paladin every once in a while, or maybe possibly maybe not resurrecting a Pally isn't worth the points.

It's much better to take Stormravens! And Doomglaive Dreads.

I'm with Elric about the Apothecary. Its very situational whether he will be useful or not, and he's too pt heavy for what he can do. Leave him at home.

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Greece

Ok, no Apothecary then.

I am the Hammer,
I am the point of His spear,
I am the mail about His fist,
I am the bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous,
I am the End.

 
   
 
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