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Hi guys!

So, I bought Death Guard codex and it seems that there is one very unclear thing in there - wings for a Deamon Prince. In the codex entry of the DP it sais that he may take wings (costing 1 Power Rating). However in the table with the points costs there is no seperate cost for Deamon Prince with Wings (like for CSM or Deamons).
Now, it seems that there are only 3 possible options here:
1. Wings for Deamon Prince in Death Guard don't cost any points and can be taken for free.
2. Deamon Prince with Wings in Death Guard codex should have a seperate cost but was missed due to an error and in fact it should exactly the same amount of points as other Deamon Princes.
3. Since there is no possibility to pay for the wings in the table with costs, the Deamon Prince can't take them at all if not playing using Power Rating system.

What do you think?
And I know I should wait for FAQ but there is a tournament right around the corner and there is a lot of confusion regarding this topic.

By RAW wings are free for now.

It'll be faq'd soon enough.

*hopefully* the DG FAQ will be released soon, fixing this.

I'm pretty sure it will be FAQed but what to do until then? :(

Asarnil wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be FAQed but what to do until then? :(

1: talk with your opponent, ask if you may use the Index cost for wings
2: play it as RAW. Wings are free
3: wait for the Faq

There have been a few other printing errors noted, such as Aspiring Sorcerers vanishing from the point table completely but only in the English Codex.
Laugh about it with your opponent then do what would be the most honorable thing, especially as no Rule states you must: pay for the winged Model, using the Index for cost.

 Primark G wrote:
By RAW wings are free for now.

How is it RAW? At best your argument is that they have an undefined points cost for matched play and are therefore an invalid choice - you cannot pay an appropriate amount of points for them as you don't know what that is. An exclusion of a value is not the same as a value of zero.

RAW for Matched Play using points - Daemon Prince doesn't have the option for wings. Only can use wings if you play Power Level.

I'm certain that the intention was that they can take wings - the datasheet isn't a straight copy out of the CSM codex as they removed the option for Warp Bolter but left the option for wings, so some sort of conscious effort went into it.

Only real answer at this stage is to wait for the FAQ which hopefully addresses it. Until then, the point cost in DG is exactly the same as CSM so it's fair to say just to use those points until the FAQ. Run it by your opponent at the start, no one I play would have an issue with it, unless they are TFG

Where does it say if an option only has a Power Level associated with it, then it can only be selected in games involving Power Levels?
An oversight does not a Restriction make, it is just a reason to laugh at the quality of Game Workshop editing team.

Strictly speaking you are right that there is no explicit restriction, but show me where it tells us how many points the wings cost? Because until we have a number we can't fulfill the requirement in the list building phase where we add together all of the points for the models and the wargear upgrades to ensure that your list is within the points limit.

Indeed, a printing error has led us into a situation where the Point Value can not be calculated, nothing more....
This can only be fixed by the Authors providing us with the missing values, or by personal agreement between the players before the game.

Only real answer at this stage is to wait for the FAQ which hopefully addresses it. Until then, the point cost in DG is exactly the same as CSM so it's fair to say just to use those points until the FAQ. Run it by your opponent at the start, no one I play would have an issue with it

I have never seen a nurgle demon prince with wings, so I don't think there is any and there shouldn't be. Nurgle has a different model for their demon princes.

You might want to take that up with the Datasheet on page 70:
This model may have wings (Power Rating +1).

shadowl1980 wrote:
I have never seen a nurgle demon prince with wings, so I don't think there is any and there shouldn't be. Nurgle has a different model for their demon princes.

If you want to use that one, at least.

shadowl1980 wrote:
I have never seen a nurgle demon prince with wings, so I don't think there is any and there shouldn't be. Nurgle has a different model for their demon princes.

Well, I have never seen anyone use a Daemon Prince without wings.

You don't have to use the model named "Nurgle Daemon Prince" - what if I had the normal DP model that has Nurgle bitz included with a few variations of wings. The Datasheet also gives the option for the Nurgle DP to take wings in the DG codex.

Without an FAQ you could argue either way. I would suggest talking to your opponent before hand and use the CSM points for matched play point value games as the cost for a CSM DP is exactly the same. No one I play would have an issue with it and if someone did take issue with it, I would imagine they wouldn't be very enjoyable to play against anyway.

shadowl1980 wrote:
I have never seen a nurgle demon prince with wings, so I don't think there is any and there shouldn't be. Nurgle has a different model for their demon princes.

Look up the fluff page for Daemon Princes in the DG codex, even that text mentions that there are some Nurgle DPs with wings. In other words, it's 99,999% certain that the fact that there's no point value for DP's in the DG codex is an omission that will be FAQ'd soon.

Anyhows, until that time I simply use the points value for wings of the CSM codex (24) and tell my opponent beforehand.

Final closure by recent FAQ

Page 102 – Units
Add the following entry:

Daemon Prince of Nurgle with Wings (points removed - exact same as CSM)

Inb4 "Daemon Prince of Nurgle with Wings isn't a named unit/datasheet like the rest of the list, and the top of the table says it doesn't include weapons or wargear so we still don't know how much the wings wargear costs"

I edited it out due to formatting, but the FAQ errata actually says that the costs doesn't include wargear like other entries in the table.

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I edited it out due to formatting, but the FAQ errata actually says that the costs doesn't include wargear like other entries in the table.

Indeed. My tongue-in-cheek post is basically that it's sloppy of them to add in that way because for both Death Guard and Chaos Space Marines codices the unit 'Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings' doesn't exist as a named unit, and while it's fairly obvious that wings cost the difference between 'Daemon Prince (of Nurgle)' and 'Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings' I can imagine someone looking at it and, given it says it does not include weapons/wargear, still wondering if there's a points value for wings lying around somewhere.

E.g. "Hey guys where's the points value for wings for my Daemon Prince with Wings?"

And given this is YMDC the possibility of a 6-page thread arguing that there's no datasheet for a Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings, or that you can't take wings in Matched Play for a Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings because the points value does not include weapons/wargear and there's no points value elsewhere for wings for your Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings is... not unreal

It's frighteningly plausible this thread could continue on that vein until long after the "WHAT IS A DICE ANYWAY?" threads have crumbled and collapsed.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I edited it out due to formatting, but the FAQ errata actually says that the costs doesn't include wargear like other entries in the table.

Indeed. My tongue-in-cheek post is basically that it's sloppy of them to add in that way because for both Death Guard and Chaos Space Marines codices the unit 'Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings' doesn't exist as a named unit, and while it's fairly obvious that wings cost the difference between 'Daemon Prince (of Nurgle)' and 'Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings' I can imagine someone looking at it and, given it says it does not include weapons/wargear, still wondering if there's a points value for wings lying around somewhere.

E.g. "Hey guys where's the points value for wings for my Daemon Prince with Wings?"

And given this is YMDC the possibility of a 6-page thread arguing that there's no datasheet for a Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings, or that you can't take wings in Matched Play for a Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings because the points value does not include weapons/wargear and there's no points value elsewhere for wings for your Daemon Prince (of Nurgle) with Wings is... not unreal

That's what the BRB is for. It's been a clobbering tool for decades!

I remember the uproar when SW codex in 5th first released "Well technically the codex doesn't define how big the line is for JOTWW so let's use this 6" wide tape for the line"