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Today I tried out my Khorne Berserkers for the first time and I want to describe the scenario and you guys can tell me if this was properly used or not.


Opponent has the following squads:
AA - Scouts
BB - Tactical Squads
CC - Bike Squads
DD - Predator
EE - Librarian on Bike
FF - Captain on Bike

They are lined up the following way

EE FF
AA BB CC DD

YY ZZ
I am running two units of Khorne Berzerkers YY and ZZ


I declare charges from Khorne Berserker unit YY to AA and BB.
I declare charges from Khorne Berserker unit ZZ to BB and CC.


I move charge distance and get to base contact with all models in the enemy units. I fight with priority because I charged. I wipe out most of the scouts and tactical marines as well as all of the bkes. I consolidate up 3" this puts me closer to the Librarian with my unit YY and brings unit ZZ within 1" of the Predator unit DD.

Now I fight again, can my unit ZZ attack the predator during it's second fight even though the predator was not an initial target of the charge?

When unit YY fights again it wipes out all of the scouts and tacticals then consolidates wihin 1" of unit EE the Librarian. And activates Fury of Khorne to fight and kill the Librarian.

Legal?

SUMMARY: Can you consolidate into other units and fight them during your '2nd or 3rd" fight during a single fight phase?


I am under the impression that yes you can since I hear that khorne bersekres are good for breaking through conscript lines if they weren't spaced out more than 3" apart, allowing you to wipe the front line then consolidate and battle any other unit that's close enough to get within 1".

You cannot attack something you didn't charge.

You can, move and engage something you didn't charge.

I recommend this article for charge phase tips

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/10/07/assault-phase-tactics/

 Akaiyou wrote:

Spoiler:

Today I tried out my Khorne Berserkers for the first time and I want to describe the scenario and you guys can tell me if this was properly used or not.


Opponent has the following squads:
AA - Scouts
BB - Tactical Squads
CC - Bike Squads
DD - Predator
EE - Librarian on Bike
FF - Captain on Bike

They are lined up the following way

EE FF
AA BB CC DD

YY ZZ
I am running two units of Khorne Berzerkers YY and ZZ


I declare charges from Khorne Berserker unit YY to AA and BB.
I declare charges from Khorne Berserker unit ZZ to BB and CC.


I move charge distance and get to base contact with all models in the enemy units. I fight with priority because I charged. I wipe out most of the scouts and tactical marines as well as all of the bkes. I consolidate up 3" this puts me closer to the Librarian with my unit YY and brings unit ZZ within 1" of the Predator unit DD.

Now I fight again, can my unit ZZ attack the predator during it's second fight even though the predator was not an initial target of the charge?

When unit YY fights again it wipes out all of the scouts and tacticals then consolidates wihin 1" of unit EE the Librarian. And activates Fury of Khorne to fight and kill the Librarian.

Legal?

SUMMARY: Can you consolidate into other units and fight them during your '2nd or 3rd" fight during a single fight phase?


I am under the impression that yes you can since I hear that khorne bersekres are good for breaking through conscript lines if they weren't spaced out more than 3" apart, allowing you to wipe the front line then consolidate and battle any other unit that's close enough to get within 1".

The rulebook specifically says that charged units can only fight units they charged. So no you can't consolidate into units you didn't charge and then fight them.

However, if you consolidate into them, they can then fight you. But now they will have to fall back which impacts their ability to shoot on you, and you can fight in their turn if they don't fall back.

edit: Captyn_Bob beat me to it.

EDIT: I was wrong. Mea culpa.

What does the thread title mean btw?

Yah, the way I understand it, you can't do this on the turn you charged. You can do it on the next turn if you're still in combat, every time piling in/consolidating into new units and using the second fight activation to fight a new unit.

I thought the first fight is the one that counts for the charge.
And the second fight is an altogether separate fight as if you were already engaged thus not restricted.

Good to know! Thank you.

Note that if all the units where within 12" of your Berserkers at the time of declaring your charges, you can declare against all the units. You suffer overwatch from all of them, but only need to reach one for a successful charge. You are then free to consolidate into them and use your extra fights activations to attacks those units since you did declare a charge against them.

That's an interesting point. You can declare charges against targets you have no hope of reaching normally, as long as they are within 12".
Even better if they are not in line of sight.

Off course, consolidating into a second rank has meaning. You can't attack them yet they can attack you, if you didn't charge them, sure. But they are engaged after the consolidation move, They either need to attack you, or fall back, preventing them from making their own charge move, advancing, or firing any ranged weapons at all if they don't have the FLY keyword.

You guys are awesome thanks! many thanks!

Special thanks to the guy that pointed out that tactica from frontline gaming read it and i am now enlightened thanks a lot.

 Akaiyou wrote:
I thought the first fight is the one that counts for the charge.
And the second fight is an altogether separate fight as if you were already engaged thus not restricted.

Good to know! Thank you.

Charge phase is a separate phase from the Fight Phase.

Berserkers get an additional fight phase, but its still the same turn as the one they charged in.

 argonak wrote:

 Akaiyou wrote:
I thought the first fight is the one that counts for the charge.
And the second fight is an altogether separate fight as if you were already engaged thus not restricted.

Good to know! Thank you.

Charge phase is a separate phase from the Fight Phase.

Berserkers get an additional fight phase, but its still the same turn as the one they charged in.

No, they can be chosen to fight twice in the Fight Phase. It's not a second separate Fight Phase.