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Do i use the sm codex or do I use the index? I have a techmarine with conversion beamer, is it still legal?

If you want to use him as a BLOOD ANGELS Techmarine you would use the Index entry.

So use the index for BA even tho it says to use the SM version, which is now the codex I guess?? Sorry its not very clear and I am trying to get back in after a few editions away

It says to use datasheets with Index page number references. Codex: Space Marines is used for Codex: Space Marines armies.

Games Workshop has said that for codices with units in the Index that are not also in the codex (for example the Terminus Ultra) you may use the Index entry with the codex points values, or something along those lines.

In this scenario the rules for Blood Angels tell you to use the datasheets as specified, which are from the Index.

Thanks mate, appreciate the help

The dedicated Blood Angels Codex will be out later, so Index until that's out.

And possibly even after, if the codex doesn't give the conversion beamer option.

It says to use the space marine datasets for certain units (see list) in the index

It doesn't specify to use the space marine datasets in the index

The current version of the space marine datasheet has been replaced by codex sm so you may use codex sm datasheets

U02dah4 wrote:
It says to use the space marine datasets for certain units (see list) in the index

It doesn't specify to use the space marine datasets in the index

The current version of the space marine datasheet has been replaced by codex sm so you may use codex sm datasheets

Except you can't, because the rules for Blood Angels and Space Wolves don't use the codex, you use the Index.

As to Warhammer community (note not an faq)
Can I combine units from the index and a codex into one army?
The datasheets in the new codexes overwrite the same datasheets in the index books. You can certainly use units with updated datasheets alongside units from the index that have yet to be updated. Once a unit has been covered in the codex though, we assume you’re using the latest version.

If I have a Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Space Wolves army, will I need to buy Codex: Space Marines to use my army?
You don’t have to. Other Space Marines factions not covered in the new codex will continue to use all the datasheets, rules and points values in the index until their own codex is released.

So gw pretty much contradicts itself the index tells you to use the datasheets.
The community tells you the data sheets are updated and overwrite the index entries but BA should use the index entrys which tell you to use the data sheets that the community states have been overwritten ....

Also note "you don't have to" is not "you can't "

U02dah4 wrote:
It says to use the space marine datasets for certain units (see list) in the index

It doesn't specify to use the space marine datasets in the index

The current version of the space marine datasheet has been replaced by codex sm so you may use codex sm datasheets

From page 131 of Codex Space Marines:

Note that there are several Space Marine Chapters – such as the Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Grey Knights – that deviate significantly from the Codex in terms of organisation and fighting style. The rules and abilities for these Chapters (and any successors they may have) will be detailed in their own codexes.

And from page 194:

Note that other Space Marine Chapters, such as the Blood Angels and the Space Wolves, deviate significantly in terms of organisation and fighting styles. These Chapters therefore cannot make use of any of the rules or abilities listed in this section, and instead have their own rules.

Data sheets and equipment rules are pages 131 to 191 the section your referring to on page 194 refer's to warlord traits, strategems, chapter tactics, relics and the librarius disipline which BA can't use I agree BA can't use anything in this section but it has nothing to do with there datasheets but it is the only section BA are explicitly excluded from using.

As to the first quote "The rules and abilities for these Chapters (and any successors they may have) will be detailed in their own codexes."

Which at the moment don't exist

So you use the index entry which tells you to use the datasheets. 
The community tells you the data sheets are updated and overwrite the index entries

but BA should use the index entrys which tell you to use the data sheets in the index that the community states have been overwritten .... 

Page 194 refers to the entire section of the rulebook 'Sons of the Primarch' and includes points values. How are you using datasheets without points values?

And just because their own codex doesn't exist yet doesn't change the fact that they have their own rules (which are in the index).

No it doesn't

"SONS OF THE PRIMARCHS
In this section you’ll find rules for Battle-forged armies that include Space MarinesDetachments – that is, any Detachment which only includes Space Marines units (as defined below). These rules include the abilities below and a series of Stratagems. This section also includes the Space Marines’ unique Warlord Traits, Psychic Discipline, Relics and Tactical Objectives. Together, these rules reflect the character and fightingstyle of the Space Marines in your games of Warhammer 40,000"

The section makes no reference to points values.

Layout is datasheets section
Fluffy arts pages
Son's of the primarchs section
Fluffy arts pages
Points section

The sections are seprated by useless and annoying arts pages so points are a different section and still valid

I agree their own rules are in the index. However if you read this it tells you to use the space marine datasheets which the community tells you are updated in the sm codex and overwrite the index entries 

Even if the BA codex is released and the conversion beamer is missing you can still use the model with the conversion beamer.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

There are a few options that are missing in the codex that appear in the index: why is that? Does that mean I can’t use these models in my army anymore?
While the indexes are designed to cover a long history of miniatures, the codexes are designed to give you rules for the current Warhammer 40,000 range. There are a few options in the indexes for some Characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range – certain Dreadnought weapons that don’t come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.
Don’t worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the datasheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons (currently, also in the index).
They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army.


If the conversion beamer is missing in the BA codex you use the index points, because its the most recent points published.