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GW nerfed scions with plasma now being 13 pts for BS 3 models and 7 for models with BS 4.

i feel the change was a bit overkill with some armies having huge point increases ;-;

So I'm looking at other guns to use the hot shot volleygun point cost went form 9 to 6. I'm wondering if these are worth swapping plasma for
a scion with a hot shot volleygun for just 15 (9+6) points now a command squad is just 60 pts with 4 hot shot volleyguns and you get deep strike and 16 str4 ap2 d1 shots at bs3.
The only problem I can see is that they're heavy weapons, they are cheap however.

I want to know what you guys think of the plasma nerf and the hot shot volleygun being so cheap now, do you think they are worth taking enmass, or plasma is still better?

I am going to say no, because the whole point of dropping in plasma is to kill things, so it is important to have the highest damage potential to the most targets per shot that you can in each unit.

Plasma fits this bill a lot better than vollyguns, since they can realistically hurt anything in the game. Plus you only get as many command squads as you have commanders, so you can't really just keep taking more and more squads.

If you're doing less of a suicide drop and plan to use Scions to capture objectives, you could do worse than 4 of those I guess.

 rowboat girlyman wrote:
GW nerfed scions with plasma now being 13 pts for BS 3 models and 7 for models with BS 4.

i feel the change was a bit overkill with some armies having huge point increases ;-;

So I'm looking at other guns to use the hot shot volleygun point cost went form 9 to 6. I'm wondering if these are worth swapping plasma for
a scion with a hot shot volleygun for just 15 (9+6) points now a command squad is just 60 pts with 4 hot shot volleyguns and you get deep strike and 16 str4 ap2 d1 shots at bs3.
The only problem I can see is that they're heavy weapons, they are cheap however.

I want to know what you guys think of the plasma nerf and the hot shot volleygun being so cheap now, do you think they are worth taking enmass, or plasma is still better?

I actually increased the plasma I bring to fill out a full battalion after the Codex. The 6's proccing extra overcharged plasma shots from the scion doctrine is surprisingly brutal. Take laurels of command on one of the Primes and you'll be hitting on 3's rerolling 1's, generating extra shots on 6's, AND rerolling all wounds on monsters and vehicles if the laurels ability goes off. With the inspired tactics stratagem, you have three squads with potentially 6 orders.

There was not really a point increase that they could apply to plasma to make it not worth taking and still have a reason to take scions. I would like for the other guns to be better and have a purpose, but honestly, even if plasma went to 15 points per gun, I'd probably still take at least 20 scions with maxed out numbers of PGs.

I still like HSVGs on the Tauroxen though.

They were way overpowered before, they're a very good unit now. Plasma deepstriking scions are still solid.