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2k BA

This is supposed to be semi-competetive all comers list. It lacks psykers and smite denial, but can't do everything. Also SR without using it's transport capacity is a bit weird.

Depending on the opponent I can swap between Dante and the Captain who goes with the plasma drop and who sits with fire support. Razors are in my book on the outer flanks of the fire base and scouts provide little DS denial.

I'm 2 models away from having this baby ready for battle. Planning on doing a test game against competitive Death guard list. Tactical squad in my books is drop from the SR on an objective, somehow felt more fluffier choice than sniper scouts.

Even a mono BA list, there's only four units that are BA only..Van vets are expensive and could be swapped for 4man SG with plasma pistols, but even with 8 wounds 2+ save I feel like 6 wound, but 3x storm shields give me more comfort.

Dropping the capt and veterans I'll get 17 plasma shots re-rolling ones. They'll pretty much kill one or two units, have to just hope that there's a juicy place where to deepstrike, not just conscripts or scouts..

8th edition has made BA list building very hard for me, every idea, every strategy, every plan goes always over 2k points. Hard to add insignia units when you think some enemies and you feel like no chance to match up. I'll let you know how the test game goes, hopefully next week.



HQ

Commander Dante
Captain with jump pack > combi-plasma > lightning claw
Primaris lieutenant > power sword

TROOP

5man scout squad > 4x boltgun > storm bolter on sergeant
5man scout squad > 4x boltgun > storm bolter on sergeant
5man tactical squad > heavy flamer > storm bolter & power axe on sergeant

FLYER

Stormraven gunship > hurricane bolters > twin multi-melta > twin assault cannon > 2x stormstrike missiles

DT

Razorback > twin assault cannon
Razorback > twin lascannon

HEAVY

5man devastator squad > 2x lascannon > 1x plasma cannon > armorium cherub
5man devastator squad > 2x lascannon > 1x plasma cannon > armorium cherub
Predator > twin lascannon > lascannon sponsons

ELITE

3man company veterans with jump packs > plasma gun > plasma gun & storm shield > combi-plasma on sergeant
3man company veterans with jump packs > plasma gun > plasma gun & storm shield > combi-plasma on sergeant
6man vanguard veterans with jump packs > 3x plasma pistol & power sword > 2x storm shield & power axe > relic blade & storm shield

Feel free to suggest and critique.

I like the approach. More of a conservative BA, with heavy-hitters dropping down and noping out before tarpit/assaults get too messy.

For objective capping, maybe consider primaris over tacs? Another nitpick, you might get more value out of storm bolters if they're on the vehicles? Not too sure, depends on personal preference. While their WS decays, the extra wounds might be worth it?

For strategy, abuse your transports and steer clear of the mortal wounds, especially Morty's little bubble'o'death I guess?

Commander Dante is a waste of points. He is way to expensive for what he offers. You have a stormraven, but no dreadnought. Replace dante with a dread and put it on the stormraven. Predator is also wasted points. Replace it with a razorback with twin lascans. It does the same and is 30 pts. cheaper.

Not if Dante is buffing all that heavy support, he's not.

Like I said in the initial post that running a SR without taking advantage of the transport capacity is weird. Even that BA dreads are faster than other factions, but the fact that things die so fast in 8th that I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket. Stuffing a dread, 10 footslogging DC and a Mephy for example is like over 800 points. Just using the SR as a gun platform that might drop those tacticals on an objective gives me more target saturation against the enemy.

About Dante.. Well, I could just take a vanguard detachment as BA with the capt and those veterans and run everything else as red marines, just take a captain and use the CP's to make him a company master for all to hit rolls, but then it would be lot far from mono BA build I'm trying here to do. Doing that with a stock captain substituting Dante would give me what 139 points to spent. Another devastator squad, maybe a dreadnought or get that much needed psyker. Dual plasma 5man tactical feels also a competitive option, but a bit of BA'ness in BA lists are welcome.

I'm sticking with mono BA. Dante is still good in melee and gives some defensive maneuvering for moving him up 12" and charging something to keep my firebase operational for a bit longer. I'll give this list a go and let you know how it goes, haven't build the captain yet, only MEQ captain I have is from AOBR. I've been troubling myself that should I kitbash a captain from the DV DA company master with different head and DC chap jump pack, but then I would need to stick with the sword. Lightning claw on a WS 2+ model rerolling to wound sounds more fun if the plasma suicide vanguard detachment ever reaches cc. That detachment will get most certainly attention from the enemy, no one wants pillaging jump packing plasma units in the backyard.

Four laspred is twice as powerful damage-wise compared to a razorback with twin las and the point difference isn't 30p btw. Less drops, more las. Somehow I like a single plasma cannon on every dev squad, now that it's explode-proof thanks to signum. And less spammy list!

Thanks for cc though.

Martel732 wrote:
Not if Dante is buffing all that heavy support, he's not.

Yes he is. A captain is only ~80 pts. He rerolls 1s. You will only fail on a roll of 2, and if a rerolled 1 is a 1, but that chance is ~3%. So, a 16,7% chance of not hitting. If rerolling all failed hit rolls is worth ~130 pts to you, then go for dante. To me that 16,7% chance is not worth the additional ~130 pts.

Xirax wrote:

Four laspred is twice as powerful damage-wise compared to a razorback with twin las and the point difference isn't 30p btw. Less drops, more las. Somehow I like a single plasma cannon on every dev squad, now that it's explode-proof thanks to signum. And less spammy list!

Thanks for cc though.

A four lascan pred is 202 pts. Two twin lascan razorbacks are 230 pts. Two models, twice the wounds, 28 pts. difference. Lose one razorback, you still have a twin lascan left. Lose your predator, no lascans left. You are right on the unit count number, though. More razorbacks decrease your chance of going first.

We have interpreted that it's ok to use SM codex points decreases with same units from the index. In this case SM codex predator points and for primaris counterparts, power fists etc. Ravenwing bike squad must be taken from index, because there's no new dataslate for it. Stratagems in the other hand aren't available for use. There's a warhammer community post 22/7 suggesting to use the dataslate from SM codex, even that it doesn't directly state point costs.

So in this list the predator is 12p less, but I understand your point.

We'll see how it goes anyways.