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The Prism Cannon has some RAW that requires secondary interpretation to handle.



Several questions, both sane and insane:

1) Does "any" let a Fire Prism in close combat link with the original Fire Prism?
2) Does "any" it let a Fire Prism that already fired its Prism Cannon link up?
3) Do Fire Prisms that Link Up actually *have* to fire a Prism Cannon?
4) What happens if the target is destroyed before the original Fire Prism gets to fire. How do you resolve an attack versus a null target?
5) What happens if, via an out-of-turn sequence (ex: Soulburst), the Fire Prism that declared the Stratagem ends up in melee before actually firing its Prism Cannon?
6) Can Linked Fire be used for Overwatch? If yes, does it only work versus a multicharge, or does "any" let other Fire Prisms that are not being charged link up?

Go wild, YMDC.

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1) No, it says that you "when firing...they must target the unit the first Fire Prism targeted". Which means it follows the normal sequence of firing, and before you can choose a weapon or a target, you first have to select a unit, and a unit in close combat cannot be selected.

2) No, as above, except in this case a unit that already fired cannot be selected

3) you don't, the shots are simply lost without rolling

4) in this case I would argue that they still go off, because it says at the end of phase "resolve" the shots. The shots already happened via the normal shooting rules, the resolution was just suspended.

5) I would say no, simply on the basis that you don't "select" a target in overwatch, and other fire prisms are not going to have any opportunity to select a target in the charge phase.

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1) The unit has to be selectable to choose a target. If the unit is within 1" of an enemy model it is not able to be picked as a shooting unit and thus could not choose the original Prisms target.

2) It says "if they do so, when firing their prism cannons they must target the unit that the first..." I.E. they do not get to shoot more times. then they normally would. You either link them or you don't. If you do, when you shoot your target is chosen for you. If you already shot you cannot be selected again to shoot again.

3) You cannot. Those shots are wasted. When you choose to link the target of all the linked Prism weapons is locked in. If the other units have other weapons they can still pick other targets for those weapons. It would be the same thing as a Stormsurge picking one unit for all 10 of it's weapons and then killing the unit after firing the 4th weapon. Other shots are wasted.

4) It looks like it would be unable to fire it's own prism, but as long as the taregt is still valid for the other prism weapons then they can still fire. You still have to follow the sequencing for choosing targets and shooting. The only thing that has changed is the target has been preselected because you opted to link.

5) The linking doesn't allow units that cannot shoot to shoot. I.E. a unit that has not been charged doesn't get to shoot overwatch. But if 2 units with prisms get charged by the same unit then yes, they could link, but I cannot think of any advantage this would get you.


What linking does as far as I can tell, is allow units that do not have LoS to gain LoS and potentially range (?? I don't know the actual range of prisms). The first unit paints the target. As long as the other units with prisms can see the unit that is painting the target and are with in 60" (5ft!) they can use that initial units LoS in place of their own. 1 tank out in the open can direct barrages from 5 tanks behind walls.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:

4) It looks like it would be unable to fire it's own prism, but as long as the taregt is still valid for the other prism weapons then they can still fire. You still have to follow the sequencing for choosing targets and shooting. The only thing that has changed is the target has been preselected because you opted to link.


There's no reason they wouldn't be able to. Yes, it still follows the sequence for shooting, but at the point that Linked Fired triggers, you've already selected the unit, chosen a target, and chosen a weapon, the only thing that is suspended until the end of the phase is Step 4) resolve attacks. All of the hurdles to attacking a unit while you're in close combat, or attacking a unit in close combat, came in Step 1 and Step 2, meaning if the unit was legal when you chose it and the target was legal when you targeted it, a change in position later isn't going to affect whether or not you resolve the attack.

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AnFéasógMór wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:

4) It looks like it would be unable to fire it's own prism, but as long as the taregt is still valid for the other prism weapons then they can still fire. You still have to follow the sequencing for choosing targets and shooting. The only thing that has changed is the target has been preselected because you opted to link.


There's no reason they wouldn't be able to. Yes, it still follows the sequence for shooting, but at the point that Linked Fired triggers, you've already selected the unit, chosen a target, and chosen a weapon, the only thing that is suspended until the end of the phase is Step 4) resolve attacks. All of the hurdles to attacking a unit while you're in close combat, or attacking a unit in close combat, came in Step 1 and Step 2, meaning if the unit was legal when you chose it and the target was legal when you targeted it, a change in position later isn't going to affect whether or not you resolve the attack.


This is all fair. I agree with this.


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Does linked fire apply to all the shots by the fire prisms that turn, or just one set of shots (considering each can fire twice if moving under half.)?
   
 
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