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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/03/amazon-warner-bros-lord-rings-tv-series/


Amazon Studios CEO Jeff Bezos is apparently in talks with the Tolkien estate as well as Warner Bros. TV to house a Lord of the Rings TV series.

No, seriously — this is not a joke. Variety just broke the exclusive news they claim to have sources on, stating things are still in the “early stages”, with “no deal set yet.”

Long rumored to be in development (usually as an April Fool’s Day story run about the Silmarillion), WB has apparently been looking for a home for a LoTR series. It stands to reason that the large TV options like Netflix and HBO were courted, but it seems like the competitive situation has Amazon as the frontrunner.

There has been no official denial of this project from Amazon, Warner Bros., or the Tolkien Estate. But there also hasn’t been a confirmation, either.

After the three Peter Jackson LoTR prequel The Hobbit films (with extended cuts, because of course there are), is the world really ready for another trip to Middle Earth? There’s no telling where the story might take place in the rich history of the high-fantasy world Tolkien created.

Fox Searchlight is currently filming their Tolkien biopic starring Nicholas Hoult (Mad Max: Fury Road, X-Men: First Class) as the author of one of the most enduring fantasy worlds. And who could forget that time a few years ago where there were no less than three planned films about J.R.R. and his life? This proposed TV series is apparently none of those, though.

We’ll keep you updated as any more information about this project surfaces.



.. well... there you go, possibly.


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If it goes the route of Shadow Of Mordor/War and puts some meat on ancillary characters ... good times approach

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It's a hobby of mine two draft up ideas for TV shows, and a LOTR TV series is no exception.

I have, IMO, two workable ideas, which I would be willing to develop in return for vast sums of money

1. Young Aragorn. Your typical coming of age drama. And the best bit is the Plan B I have in reserve if this idea is not accepted. All I have to do is make a few minor scripts alterations, and I've got the young George Washington TV series to pitch to HBO

2. My main idea, the serious idea is this: Rise of the Witch King. You've got the northern kingdom declining and falling, intrigue, battles, treachery, Arnor, treachery, Elves, plague, battles, more Elves, and evil Northmen, and I've always wanted to see what Carn Dum would like on screen

That's the idea I would pitch, but we'll probably end up with Hobbito Five 0 - a detective series set in the tropical paradise of the Shire, starring Daniel Dae Kim

Or even worse, the Silmarillion

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Wow there really determined to squeeze as much out of the LotR "brand" as possible aren't they. You would have thought that Amazon of all company's would be aware there are other fantasy book series and settings out there
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Do they mean a Silmarillion TV series? That would be worthwhile. Why on Earth would they want to take modern classic films, remake them, and then capitalize on the films' biggest weakness (their tedious length) as if it were a strength?

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Tom Bombadil : PI for hire sounds good to me.

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Young Aragorn I could see working, there's reference in the books that he'd been all over middle earth as a ranger, including into Mordor and the Eastern lands before you get to LoTR. Plus you get to have the secret / forbidden romance development with Arwen.

The fall of Numenor could also work, in a Game of Thrones way, politics and intrigue in a failing society.

I wouldn't even mind a better version of the hobbit, but I can't see how you make that into a TV series really (not with any longevity anyway).

But retreading the main book would be a huge mistake; the original Peter Jackson films are absolutely iconic and, certain issues aside, incredibly difficult to better.

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In theory a TV series could retell the film stories. The PJ films made a lot of changes to Lord of the Rings in order to fit them into a film format; meanwhile the Hobbit had huge changes mostly to try to make it the PJ version that tied into the Lord of the Rings films.

As a result you could retell both stories through a TV series and stick closer to the original source material; provided that you went for a strict story based approach rather than an episodic style.

That said another angle could be a collection of stories from the Silmarillion; which is less detailed in individual stories than Lord of the Rings and thus would leave the writers far more room to be inventive. It's also the lesser known work by Tolkien (well lesser read I should say, many people have heard of it - few read it - fewer read it all). so there's more room to mess about with things without fans noticing.


I REALLY hope they stick to the source material though rather than doing a "Young Aragon" style. Mostly because that's going to be almost 100% invented up and would likely be a painful thing to watch (you can bet they'd put a love triangle or some such into it - and far too many camo appearances).


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Tom Bombadil : PI for hire sounds good to me.

With a new entish poem every week.




Make it a buddy comedy with Neil Patrick Harris or Hugh Jackman as Bombadil opposite a dour ranger perpetually disgusted by all of the singing and dancing- wait, this is starting to sound like Galavant.

We need more details to see if it will be good or bad, I think.

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http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2017/11/04/104363-lotr-tv-series-some-background-and-more-information/


NOVEMBER 4, 2017 at 5:54 PM BY ALTAIRA -
Fellowship of the RingAs is to be expected, the internet, our discussion forums, and comments to our story from yesterday are abuzz with the news broken by Variety magazine yesterday of talks between Warner Brothers and Amazon to make a series adaptation based on J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings. Since there are many outstanding questions, we thought we’d go back over some of the background related to the movie and television rights to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, as well as relate some additional information also published yesterday at Deadline Hollywood.


First, a history lesson and some background as to how the rights for the movies and television have changed hands over the years. J.R.R. Tolkien sold the movie rights to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit to United Artists in 1969 who later sold them to The Saul Zaentz Company. The rights included motion pictures, merchandising, DVD, stage, and television. Through its division, Middle-earth Enterprises (formerly Tolkien Enterprises), The Saul Zaentz Company licensed the movie rights to Mirimax in 1997, which assigned them to New Line Cinema in 1998. Newline was acquired by Turner Broadcasting System in 1994, merged with Time Warner in 1996, then later merged with Warner Bros. Entertainment in 2008. All along the way, the movie rights went with them.

By now, you probably feel like asking, ‘who’s on first?!’ But, this background illustrates how Middle-earth Enterprises came to own the rights to make movies from The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and, more importantly related to recent news, television.

One thing that remains unclear is whether Middle-earth Enterprises also assigned the rights to television; rights that eventually made their way to Warner Bros. Entertainment somewhere along the way. It’s also possible that those rights were assigned separately at some point in time, or will be assigned in the future based on the outcome of the current negotiations.

One thing that *is* clear is that J.R.R. Tolkien sold the rights to produce a television series along with the movie rights back in 1969, so those rights are no longer owned by The Tolkien Estate (i.e., Tolkien’s heirs). That makes it interesting that the Variety article, which hasn’t been updated as of this writing, would say the ‘estate of J.R.R. Tolkien’ is in talks in tandem with Warner Bros..

As the Variety article implied, Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon, has been wanting to launch a major fantasy series along the lines of HBO’s Game of Thrones. As it turns out, the project has been shopped not only to Amazon, but to Netflix and HBO as well. In an article that also came out yesterday, Nellie Andreeva at Deadline Hollywood has heard that HBO has dropped out of the running almost certainly because of the hefty price tag: upfront payments in the range of $200 – $250 million just for the rights to then produce a series that could cost up to $150 million per season.

One more thing that’s abundantly clear is that there are many unanswered questions. We’ve reached out to our contacts and will report any new developments as soon as we, or others on the internet, know of them!




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http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2017/11/04/104363-lotr-tv-series-some-background-and-more-information/


NOVEMBER 4, 2017 at 5:54 PM BY ALTAIRA -
Fellowship of the RingAs is to be expected, the internet, our discussion forums, and comments to our story from yesterday are abuzz with the news broken by Variety magazine yesterday of talks between Warner Brothers and Amazon to make a series adaptation based on J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings. Since there are many outstanding questions, we thought we’d go back over some of the background related to the movie and television rights to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, as well as relate some additional information also published yesterday at Deadline Hollywood.


First, a history lesson and some background as to how the rights for the movies and television have changed hands over the years. J.R.R. Tolkien sold the movie rights to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit to United Artists in 1969 who later sold them to The Saul Zaentz Company. The rights included motion pictures, merchandising, DVD, stage, and television. Through its division, Middle-earth Enterprises (formerly Tolkien Enterprises), The Saul Zaentz Company licensed the movie rights to Mirimax in 1997, which assigned them to New Line Cinema in 1998. Newline was acquired by Turner Broadcasting System in 1994, merged with Time Warner in 1996, then later merged with Warner Bros. Entertainment in 2008. All along the way, the movie rights went with them.

By now, you probably feel like asking, ‘who’s on first?!’ But, this background illustrates how Middle-earth Enterprises came to own the rights to make movies from The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and, more importantly related to recent news, television.

One thing that remains unclear is whether Middle-earth Enterprises also assigned the rights to television; rights that eventually made their way to Warner Bros. Entertainment somewhere along the way. It’s also possible that those rights were assigned separately at some point in time, or will be assigned in the future based on the outcome of the current negotiations.

One thing that *is* clear is that J.R.R. Tolkien sold the rights to produce a television series along with the movie rights back in 1969, so those rights are no longer owned by The Tolkien Estate (i.e., Tolkien’s heirs). That makes it interesting that the Variety article, which hasn’t been updated as of this writing, would say the ‘estate of J.R.R. Tolkien’ is in talks in tandem with Warner Bros..

As the Variety article implied, Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon, has been wanting to launch a major fantasy series along the lines of HBO’s Game of Thrones. As it turns out, the project has been shopped not only to Amazon, but to Netflix and HBO as well. In an article that also came out yesterday, Nellie Andreeva at Deadline Hollywood has heard that HBO has dropped out of the running almost certainly because of the hefty price tag: upfront payments in the range of $200 – $250 million just for the rights to then produce a series that could cost up to $150 million per season.

One more thing that’s abundantly clear is that there are many unanswered questions. We’ve reached out to our contacts and will report any new developments as soon as we, or others on the internet, know of them!





In other words, it's in production hell until they can figure out who owns what. And even then, they have to find a company who's willing to shell out a hell of a load of money (that's even too much for HBO) for each episode. Yeah, this ain't getting off the drawing board. Pity though, The Silmarillion would be the best choice. It's impossible to do as a movie (unless there are a lot of movies), but as a serialised tv show with each season focusing on each plot thread could have worked.
   
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Young Aragorn I could see working, there's reference in the books that he'd been all over middle earth as a ranger, including into Mordor and the Eastern lands before you get to LoTR. Plus you get to have the secret / forbidden romance development with Arwen.

The fall of Numenor could also work, in a Game of Thrones way, politics and intrigue in a failing society.

I wouldn't even mind a better version of the hobbit, but I can't see how you make that into a TV series really (not with any longevity anyway).

But retreading the main book would be a huge mistake; the original Peter Jackson films are absolutely iconic and, certain issues aside, incredibly difficult to better.


I did a quick refresher course on young Aragorn, and you have the following story elements:

Upbringing in a 'different culture.'

A love affair that can only happen if destiny is fulfilled.

Acceptance by the Rangers when he returns to them from Rivendell.

Learning the ropes wandering the wilds and fighting that vampire in the ruins of Fornost. Yeah, that's straight from GW's LOTR Arnor book, but it would be a good story arc.

Meeting Gandalf.

Avenging his father's death.

Fighting for Rohan and Gondor plus friction with young Denethor.

Destroying the Corsair fleet in a commando raid.

The hunt for Gollum.

There's enough source material there to milk it for 2-3 seasons

It can happen.

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"young" is also not typical; remember in the films he's something like 80 years old. So a young series where most of those events unfold would still have him being 30 or older I would guess (I'm only guessing, I'm sure in the Lore there's an actual age for him considering how the stories are written).

Thing is when most TV producers think of a "younger" version they are thinking teenagers to young adults age bracket.

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Indeed, Aragorn would have been a full grown man and chief of the Dunedein by the time any of that happened. There's no coming of age story to be told there. And his romance of Arwen was already well established by that point.
   
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Despite inspiring many coming of age stories, Lord of the Rings is not a story where children become men in fields of blood and battle. Even most of the Hobbits are well into their adult lives. Arwen is probably one of the younger characters and even she's very adult.

Also in general most "coming of age" stories tend be rather - well - annoying. This is mostly because they choose coming of age to identify with a younger audience and thus often prioritize the "identifying" aspect far too much so you end up with very modern feeling issues.

Aragorns first spots - his bullying at Dunedein school - Gandalf the teacher/mentor/granddad figure - first crush - dwarf racism on the one dwarf in the school -

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I could really get behind a Silmaril series. I want that story fleshed out so badly.

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I agree. The Simlarillion i think could only work as a tv series. It's simply too large storywise for movies. And unlike LotR and the Hobbit, there's no overeaching point a to point b plotline. It's a series of self contained stories that are joined but crossing over characters and plot points. Come to think of it, Sauron is the only true constant from the Silmarillion up to the end of the LotR.

But can you imagine what each series could be like though? The first focusing on the creation of Arda and Melkors bertayal and Saurons corruption. Another season dedicated to Saurons "capture" and corruption of Numenor and Ar-Pharazon would be astounding if done right. The only thing i would probably wish to be shown movie-wise would be the assault on Angband with the war of Dragons and Ancalagon the black. That couldn't be done justice on tv.
   
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I could definitely go for a bit of an 'anthology' style series covering the many untold tales over a season. Rather than The Silmarilion: The Series, let's take a part of that, say the story of Beren and Luthien, and focus just on that. Then, in a second series, tell the story of the Children of Hurin. Then a series about Aragorn. Then something set during the War of the Last Alliance. Much of LotR's lore is historical rather than narrative, so it would be easy enough to concoct a selection of engaging stories in and around those major events should they need fleshing out.


However, I do feel any effort like this needs the involvement of WETA and Jackson; that vision is Middle Earth and if a hypothetical series didn't feature them it would be basically pointless.

 
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Young Gandalf at wizard school.


Which considering who and what Gandalf is and where he's from would be kinda strange!


Honestly one area they could have freedom to do what they want would be to explore the two wizards who went east. Far as I recall there isn't even much about them said in Tolkien's notes. They head out east and whatever happens out there is unknown; we only know that evil men do come from the east to ally with Sauron. That in itself suggests that whatever nations are out in the east are dominated by this evil faction enough that they can move whole armies to the west to aid Sauron.

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There's no such thing as a 'young' Gandalf, or any of the Wizards. It's just the sort of thing TV execs would do, though.

I don't think that Middle-Earth is a fit for the 'Smallville' approach.
   
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Obviously they are going to make the Shadow of War series of games into television.


And then make it canon.

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..Or perhaps we'll finally get an answer as to how/why the orcs are familiar with the concept of a "menu".

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..Or perhaps we'll finally get an answer as to how/why the orcs are familiar with the concept of a "menu".


Mordor has tons of restaurants, silly.

But you need a reservation.

One does not simply walk in...

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