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I ran into this one...amusing observation, so correct me if this is wrong because I saw it second-hand.

Rules as Written says that advancing increases your movement stat "for that movement phase". Hive fleet Kraken has the stratagem "Opportunistic Advance" (1 CP) which doubles the result for advances. Since this is Kraken, your fleet adaptation lets you roll 3d6 and take the highest. This gives you a six most often (~42%), so for the rest of this assume you're always getting a six. A unit of Genestealers moves 8" base; with Opportunistic Advance and a roll of 6, their movement goes up by 12" to 20".

Here's where it gets interesting. There's another stratagem called "Metabolic Overdrive" (1 CP) which allows a unit to move and advance again in their movement phase. This makes you roll d6 for each model and deal a mortal wound on a 6, and you can't shoot or charge afterwords, but you're still moving.

RaW, the Genestealers' movement stat is currently 20". Since the unit is Advancing again, with Opportunistic Advance still active for that Movement Phase, the Genestealers now move 8"+12"+12" or 32".

The Swarmlord has an ability called "Hive Commander" that allows for a unit within 6" to move during the shooting phase as if it were the movement phase, which includes advancing. However, this is a different Phase so the Advances are no longer doubled and from a reset. Our genestealers can now move 8" + 6" for their advance.

With the right positioning, a unit of genestealers can move 20"+32"+14" in one turn.
Genestealers can outrun supersonic aircraft.

On foot.

Seems fluff accurate.

Haven't seen something like that since the eversor assassin with special issue combat drugs and the quickening cast on him for iirc 72" move in 2nd edition.

I don't think that's RAI, even if it is RAW. And I would let you do that to me once then just decline further games from you.
Point is, even if you find a loophole don't exploit it like that, it only ruins the game for everyone.

Azuza001 wrote:
I don't think that's RAI, even if it is RAW. And I would let you do that to me once then just decline further games from you.
Point is, even if you find a loophole don't exploit it like that, it only ruins the game for everyone.

Except those genestealers which were running circles around your army cannot assault it that turn. You know, unlike genestealers that can just assault you using the swarmlord and no further stratagems.

Point is, people will find a reason to throw a tantrum, flip the table and leave no matter what you do. That is ruining games a lot more than some genestealers outrunning eldar wraith fighers.

Azuza001 wrote:
I don't think that's RAI, even if it is RAW. And I would let you do that to me once then just decline further games from you.
Point is, even if you find a loophole don't exploit it like that, it only ruins the game for everyone.

Seems unnecessarily rude. He's not even advocating doing it-he's just pointing out a fun rules quirk. And honestly, if someone pulled this, I'd stop the game-not because it's wrong, but because I'd be laughing my ass off.

Even without the Easter egg it's still 20+20+14 which will get you pretty much wherever you want.

Well, you technically CAN do it.

But why? Seems like a huge effort for no gains.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Well, you technically CAN do it.

But why? Seems like a huge effort for no gains.

Sometimes the thought experiment is its own reward.

Maybe one day you'll have the opportunity to zip a genestealer from one side of the table to the other to secure a game-winning objective. But even if it never comes up in real life the fact that it could is hilarious.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Well, you technically CAN do it.

But why? Seems like a huge effort for no gains.

Sometimes the thought experiment is its own reward.

Maybe one day you'll have the opportunity to zip a genestealer from one side of the table to the other to secure a game-winning objective. But even if it never comes up in real life the fact that it could is hilarious.

I could see that being maybe usable on some frigging big multi-player apoc game but that's about it.

So while amusing hardly game breaking or one you really expect to do in real life.

A game that has a victory condition of exiting infantry? T1 "zip, zap,zooom!" lol

That is pretty funny. Gamewise it is also pretty useless to speed around with your genestealers if you are not allowed to charge with them.

Nice find. If I was to ever see it happen on table I'd be one to say "cool road runner trick". Lol at the one calling it fluff accurate. I'd giggle if I read a story of super sonic genestealers breaking the sound barrier on foot in the middle of a hive city. Writing quality wouldn't surprise me.

This is pointless. They can't charge after all that moving.

You can deep strike them for less points and Cps.

Just forging a narrative. =P

 Marmatag wrote:
This is pointless. They can't charge after all that moving.

You can deep strike them for less points and Cps.

Can't Deep Strike within 9" of an enemy unit. You may just want to zip past some enemies to grab a Relic or cap an Objective from behind them.

Nothing personal, kid.

I wasn't trying to sound rude, I was simply saying that it's not a very good thing to do as far as RAI and keeping the game fun for all. And as others have pointed out there could still be uses besides attacking.

Say your playing malestorm and get a "secure objective" that you have no one near and it's across the board, with this trick you could rush in and grab it from the other side of the table.

Is it silly? Yes. Is it right? Obviously not, it's an unintended side effect of the rules in my opinion, but that's just my opinion.

So how much time would you say you spend on /tg/?

We've been talking about this on the Hive atm.

General Consensus is that you're supposed to roll for each advance.

http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/53911/metabolic-overdrive-oppotunistic-advance-question

pinecone77 wrote:
A game that has a victory condition of exiting infantry? T1 "zip, zap,zooom!" lol

We once had a race game where we would remove the two rightmost tiles whenever any model reached the left border of the battlefield (destroying everything on those tiles), shifted the entire battlefield to the right and added the two tiles on the left side. Last one with anything alive would win the game.

Orks won the game with eldar protesting that deff rolling the leading wave serpent was not in the spirit of the race

This is genious.

I'd honestly be laughing too hard and making outrageously bad sonic impression to even care if this is breaking the spirit of the game.

IMHO having fun is more important, and supersonic genestealer blurs are bang on the money in that regard!

I'd heard there would be a clatter, then perhaps a hiss, but that's not what it's like. We'd all been told that these things lurked in vents and crevices, that they could sneak up on a man no matter how alert, but that just wasn't what happened. We saw them coming, well, we heard them first, an ear-splitting boom as they accelerated across the plain. They must have been 2 miles away when we heard the crack, but we barely had time to lift our weapons before they were on us and then... past us. Running faster than I could follow. They didn't attack, didn't even try and it was then, as the whole platoon stared after them that a dread crept through me and I turned to see that which they had been running from.

-Infantryman Collins, 5th Umbra Rifles

I'm gonna steal that for my signature

I'm disappointed that this thread did not contain any Genestealers converted and painted to look like Sonic the Hedgehog.

 vipoid wrote:
I'm disappointed that this thread did not contain any Genestealers converted and painted to look like Sonic the Hedgehog.

No! How can't this be?

this is the closest my google foo will do.

so is sanic here the fastest unit in the game?

 MagicJuggler wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
This is pointless. They can't charge after all that moving.

You can deep strike them for less points and Cps.

Can't Deep Strike within 9" of an enemy unit. You may just want to zip past some enemies to grab a Relic or cap an Objective from behind them.

Nothing personal, kid.

One of the things you listed was the Swarmlord letting them move in the Shooting phase, so if you could figure out a way to DS Swarmy, you could use the following Advance towards the Relic or Objective (and if the enemy is more than 9" away from the Relic/Objective, you can just DS them right on top of it).

Also, isn't there a rule you can't use two Stratagems in the same phase?

 Stormonu wrote:

 MagicJuggler wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
This is pointless. They can't charge after all that moving.

You can deep strike them for less points and Cps.

Can't Deep Strike within 9" of an enemy unit. You may just want to zip past some enemies to grab a Relic or cap an Objective from behind them.

Nothing personal, kid.

One of the things you listed was the Swarmlord letting them move in the Shooting phase, so if you could figure out a way to DS Swarmy, you could use the following Advance towards the Relic or Objective (and if the enemy is more than 9" away from the Relic/Objective, you can just DS them right on top of it).

Also, isn't there a rule you can't use two Stratagems in the same phase?

Can't use the SAME Stratagem twice in the same phase.

Welcome to the dumpster fire of 8th edition. Remember when people said it was going to be better than 7th?