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Hi everyone!
I searched the forum a bit but could not find any post related.

I have the new codex for a couple days now but I actually got punch right in the face this morning when I realised that the shrike were gone!
Was'nt this edition supposed to support all previous GW models or legitimate conversion?

Now I end up with 12 useless shrikes!

Anybody ear something specific about it?
Thanx all!

The Indexes support units with no current models.

The Codexes only cover current model kits and their options.

To use Shrikes you'll need to use the Index Xenos 2 entry for them. Still game legal and they benefit from army-wide rules and buffs as normal.

The last page of this may help: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf

Awsome great!

Could not be clearer!

Thank you.

They are no longer in the codex but GW recently released a handy flowchart to help you use index models. https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf

Here's to hoping Chapter approved gives them a much needed points reduction...

Warriors didn't drop in points did they? (Base cost?) Shrikes will have dropped in points over all because almost all tyranid weapons went down in price and all shrike options made it to the codex. You would just pay codex prices for those weapons.

I was shocked for the same reason. I have a very nice shrike unit that has been a blast for years.. and was thinking... oh great... gone..
But not so with the new flow chart. I can stay a happy biomass eating, flying creature.

I don't think the Flowchart tells us to use the Codex weapon values with the Index datasheet, does it? It just straight up ends with "use the index datasheet".

warriors did get a point drop, so shrikes will as well.

They are flying warriors with no synapse and lower leadership. I'd put them at around 26pts base or so (+6 over warriors).

 Eihnlazer wrote:
warriors did get a point drop, so shrikes will as well.

They are flying warriors with no synapse and lower leadership. I'd put them at around 26pts base or so (+6 over warriors).

Shrikes have synapse.

It's only Raveners that don't of all the warrior based creatures.

Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

It may come in to play if GW releases a Shrike kit. But until then... yup.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

The good part to that is, though, that the flowchart in the designers commentary still allows for the Shrikes to be used.
The top of the chart says to use the most current points cost for weapons and gear, so that would come from the Codex. So easily still allowing for Shrikes to be used.

 Lance845 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

I think all the options that aren't in the Tyrant box are available in other boxes (mostly: Carnifex box) - so there is a GW option to model it. There are no wings that fit a Warrior without converting.
But to be fair the Hive Tyrant is still odd since the winged version HAS to be converted since you can't have both weapon pairs AND wing otherwise. Here's to hoping that GW doesn't "correct" that at some point by removing a pair of arms

nekooni wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

I think all the options that aren't in the Tyrant box are available in other boxes (mostly: Carnifex box) - so there is a GW option to model it. There are no wings that fit a Warrior without converting.
But to be fair the Hive Tyrant is still odd since the winged version HAS to be converted since you can't have both weapon pairs AND wing otherwise. Here's to hoping that GW doesn't "correct" that at some point by removing a pair of arms

Untrue. There are no pairs of monstrous rending claws anywhere but on the brood lord model. And those are VERY much the wrong scale to go on a hive tyrant and built as part of a mono-pose kit.

MRC are the one odd man out in all of this edition. A option that seems to keep showing up despite having no bits for it.

 Lance845 wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

I think all the options that aren't in the Tyrant box are available in other boxes (mostly: Carnifex box) - so there is a GW option to model it. There are no wings that fit a Warrior without converting.
But to be fair the Hive Tyrant is still odd since the winged version HAS to be converted since you can't have both weapon pairs AND wing otherwise. Here's to hoping that GW doesn't "correct" that at some point by removing a pair of arms

Untrue. There are no pairs of monstrous rending claws anywhere but on the brood lord model. And those are VERY much the wrong scale to go on a hive tyrant and built as part of a mono-pose kit.

MRC are the one odd man out in all of this edition. A option that seems to keep showing up despite having no bits for it.

I believe the large clawed feet are supposed to serve as MRC.

 Lance845 wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

I think all the options that aren't in the Tyrant box are available in other boxes (mostly: Carnifex box) - so there is a GW option to model it. There are no wings that fit a Warrior without converting.
But to be fair the Hive Tyrant is still odd since the winged version HAS to be converted since you can't have both weapon pairs AND wing otherwise. Here's to hoping that GW doesn't "correct" that at some point by removing a pair of arms

Untrue. There are no pairs of monstrous rending claws anywhere but on the brood lord model. And those are VERY much the wrong scale to go on a hive tyrant and built as part of a mono-pose kit.

MRC are the one odd man out in all of this edition. A option that seems to keep showing up despite having no bits for it.

What was that you were saying about WYSIWYG not being a rule...?

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

I think all the options that aren't in the Tyrant box are available in other boxes (mostly: Carnifex box) - so there is a GW option to model it. There are no wings that fit a Warrior without converting.
But to be fair the Hive Tyrant is still odd since the winged version HAS to be converted since you can't have both weapon pairs AND wing otherwise. Here's to hoping that GW doesn't "correct" that at some point by removing a pair of arms

Untrue. There are no pairs of monstrous rending claws anywhere but on the brood lord model. And those are VERY much the wrong scale to go on a hive tyrant and built as part of a mono-pose kit.

MRC are the one odd man out in all of this edition. A option that seems to keep showing up despite having no bits for it.

What was that you were saying about WYSIWYG not being a rule...?

That it isn't one.

What does that have to do with a discussion about what bits come in the box? Or that GW is cutting the rules in the codexes down to only the models/bits still in production?

If your going to post trying to be snarky you might want to pay attention to the actual discussion to make sure your snark makes sense/is relevant.

nekooni wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

I think all the options that aren't in the Tyrant box are available in other boxes (mostly: Carnifex box) - so there is a GW option to model it. There are no wings that fit a Warrior without converting.
But to be fair the Hive Tyrant is still odd since the winged version HAS to be converted since you can't have both weapon pairs AND wing otherwise. Here's to hoping that GW doesn't "correct" that at some point by removing a pair of arms

Actually there are FW wings (of course as par for FW, no longer in production), which were made for the warriors and those were the beginnings for the shrikes. Those are the wings I use.

 ah64pilot5 wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Here is to hoping that either a FAQ, or maybe a Chapter Approved may come out with an updated listing for the Shrikes. Easy to use their rules, with the codex weapons/rules, but any points changes would have to come from GW, and not from interpretation.

This contradicts GW's policy of No Model, No Rules. The Indexes are there as a tiny bone to old players.

Yeah but the nid codex already contradicts it. Hive Tyrants can take monstrous rending claws.

I think all the options that aren't in the Tyrant box are available in other boxes (mostly: Carnifex box) - so there is a GW option to model it. There are no wings that fit a Warrior without converting.
But to be fair the Hive Tyrant is still odd since the winged version HAS to be converted since you can't have both weapon pairs AND wing otherwise. Here's to hoping that GW doesn't "correct" that at some point by removing a pair of arms

Actually there are FW wings (of course as par for FW, no longer in production), which were made for the warriors and those were the beginnings for the shrikes. Those are the wings I use.

sometimes you can find those wings on ebay... but it's like $50.00 or more for 3 models worth IF you can find them at all. Maybe recasters are producing them at this point? Otherwise it's all conversions. I made mine using 4 gargoyle wings.

I have had mine for years... wanted to make a second brood and was very saddened when I found that FW quit making them. Not to big on re-casters, but hadn't thought of using double Gargoyle wings... may have to try that, sounds cool.

With the way 8E is coming out, I wouldn't personally assume that something not being in the Codex means it's getting Squatted.

All it means is there was no model at the time of codex printing. If they release a model, it'll just get rules in the box. If they don't, you still have the index.

I'd say it's a safe assumption in this case however. ;-)