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So while discussing all the Ynnari nonsense lately, it occurred to me how Ynnari could be updated.

It is (hopefully) unlikely that they will get their own codex considering it would consider of only 3 special characters, an attribute, stratagems and some relics. Since that would be at most 12 pages tops, I would hope that Ynnari and Harlequins just share a Codex instead.
However, if Ynnari do get a stand-alone book, I think a good way to do it would be to republish the specific units that could be Ynnari (instead of just saying X unit from Codex:CWE can add <Ynnari&gt

So given that, you could see the unit selection as:

HQ: The Triumvirate, Farseer, Autarch, Archon, Succubus, Shadowseers, etc
Troops: Dire Avengers, Guardians, Kabalites, Wyches or Troupes

The codex would have entries for these units, and only units that are in the codex can be Ynnari.

Then you could make Soulbursts be a stratagem. All units with Strength from Death can general or use Soulburst Stratagems
So every time a unit with SfD kills as unit with 7", you gain a Soulburst Command point.
These can by used just like regular CPs, but only to do the following:
2CP: the unit can immediately make a Shooting attack as if it was your shooting phase
1CP: the unit can immediately make a Move as if it was your movement phase
1CP: the unit can immediately make a Charge as if it was your charge phase

And so on.
It would mean that more units could use Soulburst actions (and specifically do so in any phase) but there would be a limit on how many actions you could do since you couldn't do the same action twice in a phase and would need to generate special CPs just to get to use them (meaning you probably couldn't do much on the first turn)

What are your thoughts?

This seems like a good option to release some Ynaari specific models that aren't just repurposed from Eldar or Dark Eldar ranges.

3CP - take a soulburst action on your opponents turn.

But are they going to fully flesh out a new minor-ish faction, while CWE remains one of the less plastic lines in the game?

(Sorry, SOB, you do have it worse, I know.)

Bharring wrote:
But are they going to fully flesh out a new minor-ish faction, while CWE remains one of the less plastic lines in the game?

(Sorry, SOB, you do have it worse, I know.)

To quote the goons who thought that Primaris were going to phase out old Marines...

"They want new copyrightable stuff!".

 Marmatag wrote:
3CP - take a soulburst action on your opponents turn.

Considering A) having to spend CPs to Soulburst at all, B) having to spend 2CPs to Shoot, and C) these would be CPs that the Ynnari earned in a prior turn rather than just having them from the start,
I think being able to do so in the opponent's turn shouldn't be such a harsh penalty

Because I think that it is clear that Shooting twice is a way better soulburst than moving or charging. Maybe fighting twice would also be 2CPs, but no action should be 3CPs

I think conceptually Ynnari work fine as a support faction for Eldar, similarly than Inquisition for Imperium, and the freedom to choose what units to include in your Ynnari soup should be retained.

I think they could use generic version of Yvraine though; there must eventually be more 'priests' of Ynnari than just her. I also think that some sort of unit of 'Ynnari Chosen' would be cool, elite warriors with aesthetic similar to the Visarch.

Dark Reapers actually revere Ynead already. Like, before he was quasi-born, even.

Bharring wrote:
Dark Reapers actually revere Ynead already. Like, before he was quasi-born, even.

So Ynnari Dark Reaper spam was actually fluffy!

It's probably super-wishful thinking, but a Ynnari codex release would be a great opportunity to release multi-Aspect plastic kits, considering that they're supposed to be a mash of units. Maybe a HQ unit that's generic for Ynnari, a spiritseer-equivalent.

Finally an option for dual-kitting the Aspects! ...

 Galef wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
3CP - take a soulburst action on your opponents turn.

Considering A) having to spend CPs to Soulburst at all, B) having to spend 2CPs to Shoot, and C) these would be CPs that the Ynnari earned in a prior turn rather than just having them from the start,
I think being able to do so in the opponent's turn shouldn't be such a harsh penalty

Because I think that it is clear that Shooting twice is a way better soulburst than moving or charging. Maybe fighting twice would also be 2CPs, but no action should be 3CPs

I understand where you're coming from, but understand that other codexes pay 3CP for an infantry unit to pile in and fight twice.

I doubt the Ynnari will get their own codex, not enough in it. I can see them getting some data cards but not a full codex in any way. Given how the Eldar are about staying on a path for centuries, it'll be hundreds of more years before they should even begin to diverge from their old paths and start to become their own unique thing

 Galef wrote:
So while discussing all the Ynnari nonsense lately, it occurred to me how Ynnari could be updated.

It is (hopefully) unlikely that they will get their own codex considering it would consider of only 3 special characters, an attribute, stratagems and some relics. Since that would be at most 12 pages tops, I would hope that Ynnari and Harlequins just share a Codex instead.

You know, a harlequin, Ynnari, and exodite book would be pretty snazzy. >_>

 Galef wrote:

However, if Ynnari do get a stand-alone book, I think a good way to do it would be to republish the specific units that could be Ynnari (instead of just saying X unit from Codex:CWE can add <Ynnari&gt

So given that, you could see the unit selection as:

HQ: The Triumvirate, Farseer, Autarch, Archon, Succubus, Shadowseers, etc
Troops: Dire Avengers, Guardians, Kabalites, Wyches or Troupes

The codex would have entries for these units, and only units that are in the codex can be Ynnari.

Maybe it's just because it's late, but I'm not sure I follow what you're pitching here. Are you saying to only allow HQs and troops (sans rangers) from other books to be "ynnari"? So no ynnari reapers, dragons, true born, etc.? That uh... I don't particularly want to field an all troop army personally. Especially if the payoff is soulbursting with units that aren't nearly as effective as the non-troops I could be taking from other factions. ^_^;

 Galef wrote:


Then you could make Soulbursts be a stratagem. All units with Strength from Death can general or use Soulburst Stratagems
So every time a unit with SfD kills as unit with 7", you gain a Soulburst Command point.
These can by used just like regular CPs, but only to do the following:
2CP: the unit can immediately make a Shooting attack as if it was your shooting phase
1CP: the unit can immediately make a Move as if it was your movement phase
1CP: the unit can immediately make a Charge as if it was your charge phase

That's a pretty clean way to handle soul bursting. Do we have to call them "soul burst command points" though? It seems like that would cause confusion regarding whether or not you could use them for other stratagems, and it seems odd for an autarch to be able to recycle CP. Unless the idea is to reward people for taking batallions to get more command points for more soul bursting?





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 Marmatag wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
3CP - take a soulburst action on your opponents turn.

Considering A) having to spend CPs to Soulburst at all, B) having to spend 2CPs to Shoot, and C) these would be CPs that the Ynnari earned in a prior turn rather than just having them from the start,
I think being able to do so in the opponent's turn shouldn't be such a harsh penalty

Because I think that it is clear that Shooting twice is a way better soulburst than moving or charging. Maybe fighting twice would also be 2CPs, but no action should be 3CPs

I understand where you're coming from, but understand that other codexes pay 3CP for an infantry unit to pile in and fight twice.

Not to get too far into the weeds, but I feel that eldar units are quite a bit worse at dealing damage in the fight phase than most. Perhaps you disagree, but my experience so far has been that...

*No AP means scorpions bounce off of armor.
*Low strength means banshees do barely any wounds.
*High cost means that warlock councils hit reasonably hard against multi-wound targets but then bleed points on your opponent's turn.
*Wraith guard end up very costly after you give them a delivery system.
* Wyches bounce off of t hings even when buffed.
* Blood brides are more expensive wyches.

Only 3 models in the faction, do they even need a codex?

A Ynnari codex with three specific Ynnari (HQ) models would be very poor. Not sure if this is intended by GW.
However, new Ynnari models and units seem out of reach atm. Too time consuming to create and test for a niche army.
As said, Ynnari could be part of the Harlie codex.

 wuestenfux wrote:
A Ynnari codex with three specific Ynnari (HQ) models would be very poor. Not sure if this is intended by GW.
However, new Ynnari models and units seem out of reach atm. Too time consuming to create and test for a niche army.
As said, Ynnari could be part of the Harlie codex.

I seriously hope we don't have sailor moon and her ultramarine issued plot armor in the clown car codex. The dark eldar can have er and her little muder demon, err "god"

clownshoes wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
A Ynnari codex with three specific Ynnari (HQ) models would be very poor. Not sure if this is intended by GW.
However, new Ynnari models and units seem out of reach atm. Too time consuming to create and test for a niche army.
As said, Ynnari could be part of the Harlie codex.

I seriously hope we don't have sailor moon and her ultramarine issued plot armor in the clown car codex. The dark eldar can have er and her little muder demon, err "god"

As named special characters, Yvraine and the Visarch (specifically Yvraine's former mentor) are not going to be permanently killed off, having just recently been introduced. Defeated maybe, sent running yes, but killed off, no. The Yncarne is also as far as we know, the only Avatar of Ynnead running around, wielding a unique Cronesword. So even if the Yncarne gets defeated, it too will be back, as will its Cronesword. Is that what you mean by plot armor? If so, then virtually every named character with a model in 40K has it...right up until GW kills them off, which I do not see happening anytime soon for these Ynnari.