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Now to most casual fans it would seem that Fizzlepop Berrytwist's face turn in the final reel is a classic redemption arc.
After spending the whole film as the Storm King's enforcer at the last minute she switched sides and was instrumental in defeating him.
The obvious question becomes whether that last minute switch makes up for year (one assumes) years of conquest, destruction and torture to say nothing of her on-camera conquest of the kingdom and tormenting of Princess Twilight. In some ways it's similar to Vader's fate in Return of the Jedi, complete with taking of the new name of Tempest Shadow. Pro-clemency supporters would also point to the years of isolation she suffered due to her disfigurement at a young age. the classic ít's society's fault' argument which Princess Twilight herself uses.
But let's remember that she only changed sides after the Storm King reneged on their agreement and refused to restore her horn. So was her turn really a sudden realization of the Storm King's evil, or simply a personal grievance paired with an astute reading of which way the wind was blowing.
Moreover there is the classic traitors paradox, if someone betrays their leader, they'd just as easily betray you the next time fortunes shift.
Which is why I think in the end Princess Celestia ought to have sentenced her to death by drawing and quartering.
And then turned her attention to whomever was running the distant early warning system. I mean seriously, letting multiple airships filled with Storm Beasts land in your capital in the middle of the Festival of Friendship? That's either collusion or criminal incompetence.
If you read the prequel material leading up to the movie you find out she’s actually a recent hire. Any then they have shown to be Very forgiving of most criminals. While Luna’s attempted regicide did earn her one thousand years of imprisonment, she broke out and immediately went back to her criminal plans, but this time was met with instant forgiveness. Discord had a similar story, baring an additional short sentenice before his reformation. Sunset Shimmer and Starlight Glimmer also sufferer no real punishments for their crimes against the crown.
timetowaste85 wrote: Wtf is this thread even about? It looks like English, but it’s pure gibberish. I’m used to Kid’s sense of humor, but I’m baffled here.
You'll understand when you have daughters
AduroT wrote: If you read the prequel material leading up to the movie you find out she’s actually a recent hire. Any then they have shown to be Very forgiving of most criminals. While Luna’s attempted regicide did earn her one thousand years of imprisonment, she broke out and immediately went back to her criminal plans, but this time was met with instant forgiveness. Discord had a similar story, baring an additional short sentenice before his reformation. Sunset Shimmer and Starlight Glimmer also sufferer no real punishments for their crimes against the crown.
The whole thing with Nightmare Moon is hard to scope out. One could argue that a millennium of imprisonment is in fact sufficient punishment but her quick redemption can also be read as a sign of an insular royal family 'the rules for you are not the rules for us'. Which in turn calls into question the whole idea of rule by a caste system.
But certainly they're not against harsh penalties when called for, they straight up killed the Storm King and Tilek, they didn't just kill him, they turned his corpse into a castle for Twilight.
As for Fizzlepop, I'm sure she would argue that her conversations with Twilight included an implicit promise of amnesty for her assistance. So that would get her off for her literal on-camera enslavement of the population.
But... surely she could still be extricated to Seaquestria and put on trial for her role in the ethnic cleansing of Hippogriffia. Nothing Twilight says would apply to their neighboring kingdom.
Moreover I'm convinced the whole 'Open up your eyes' number traumatized Kyoto Secunda and her clone-sister Kyoto Secunda Prime. And after sitting in the theater with two howling toddlers (one on each knee) I say no mercy for the broken-horned #$%^!
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Overall it wasn't worthy of being a big-screen movie. Equestria Girls would have been better, especially the second. We went as a family and were all disappointed.
timetowaste85 wrote: Wtf is this thread even about? It looks like English, but it’s pure gibberish. I’m used to Kid’s sense of humor, but I’m baffled here.
But if you don't, it is sometimes considered...odd...if you do know about it.
At all.
Which is unfortunate, because really its just a good show, with a great, well acted cast. Nothing groundbreaking or anything, but its one of the better animated programs out there. At its core its just a quality bit of fantasy programming with a devoted fanbase that can sometimes take it too far. Pretty par for the course in the Geek Media section as far as I'm concerned.
The movie was mostly just one of the season capper 2 parters with a bigger animation budget that has issues being a standalone parallel production in a series with a fair bit of continuity. It didn't need to be a movie but it wasn't a bad movie either. It was akin to any other "popular kids line: the movie" out there.
In general, Equestria seems to have fairly lax punishments. I suppose it makes sense in a world where magic can pretty much undo most damage done.
I'm trying to get my girls into stuff I like that i think is appropriate - Star trek TOS, Batman 66 - but if they're picking I'd prefer MLP over some of the other options.
And killing a dude and using his corpse as your castle that's hardcore.
And killing a dude and using his corpse as your castle that's hardcore.
That happened in MLP? For reals?
No, actually. The castle came from a magical artifact box from a magic tree, and there was a distinct lack of a corpse, as the character in question was depowered and imprisoned again.
That's bitchin'! Horses don't feth around, yo!
Though sometimes they don't- if you've ever seen herd animals surround and stomp a snake or bird (buzzard or vulture) to death, it's pretty bloody and gruesome.
Anyway, a character or two have ended up shattered into pieces, though that has largely been incidental (exploded from overflow from magical artifact) and the most recent 'killing' was actually 'did not save his statue from falling and breaking,' as there was only one character in position to catch, and two falling.
But in the comics of the old version of MLP, one kicked an evil wizard down a mineshaft. Accidentally.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Wtf is this thread even about? It looks like English, but it’s pure gibberish. I’m used to Kid’s sense of humor, but I’m baffled here.
You'll understand when you have daughters
I shall resign myself to NEVER understanding the entire concept of MLP. IJDGI.
(incapable of producing offspring, male, female or other)
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
timetowaste85 wrote: Wtf is this thread even about? It looks like English, but it’s pure gibberish. I’m used to Kid’s sense of humor, but I’m baffled here.
You'll understand when you have daughters
I shall resign myself to NEVER understanding the entire concept of MLP. IJDGI.
(incapable of producing offspring, male, female or other)
A crotchety wizard is sent out to get some air, lest they succumb to the amoral pursuit of ancient, forbidden powers. She meets an illusionist, a bard, a druid, and 2 fighters. They form a party, and wander the kingdom fighting magical creatures and competing to complete their personal quests without completely destroying the party, or the remarkably fragile kingdom.
The bard, however is the one responsible for chronicling their exploits, and she has a real thing for ponies. Thus, the entire show is masked in equine guise, peppered with terrible puns and remarkably catchy songs.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
timetowaste85 wrote: Wtf is this thread even about? It looks like English, but it’s pure gibberish. I’m used to Kid’s sense of humor, but I’m baffled here.
You'll understand when you have daughters
I shall resign myself to NEVER understanding the entire concept of MLP. IJDGI.
(incapable of producing offspring, male, female or other)
It isn't exactly difficult, even for the current incarnation.
The base conceit of the original is that little girls love ponies, so if they use a cartoon to market a line of toy ponies, parents will buy them.
Its really that simple, and no more arcane than boys love giant robots, so if they use a cartoon to market a line of toy robots, parents will buy them.
The current incarnation is a product of the times and the writers, which are a bit more sophisticated. So the ponies are now also magical girls, and zap enemies with rainbow lasers of love and friendship, which largely results in reformation (into a new toy)
But the writing really reflects the writers more than the over-sanitized smaltz that characterized 80s cartoons. So they reference things from Benny Hill, Ranma 1/2, Dragonball, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Dungeons and Dragons, to the Joker (Jack Nicholas Joker) from the first Batman movie, the Big Lebowski, Dr Who, and all sorts of other in jokes that resonate with people the same age as the writers.
That it's a children's show is often beside the point, except when the tonal dissonance results in some serious fridge horror. Sometimes though, they shift back to the core concept and its very kiddie, sometimes it's fantasy adventure (with the adventuring party Gitzbitah mentions, which is how the whole thing kicks off), but often it's unapologetically focused on slice of life episodes with adults in their 20s and 30s, who just happen to be ponies.
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It was my kids who spotted MLP in a book store and got into it, but it was one of the songs that really convinced me the show was a cut above.
I was listening to it and had deja vue, I'd heard this song. It was an almost note-for-note homage (or rip off) of a Sondheim song from Sunday in the Park with George. Not only that, but it's a song about an artist balancing commercial demands with artistic vision. Pretty heady stuff for a show about pastel ponies.
As for Telik, I never saw the episodes in question but I have read the story book oh about 10^23 times to KS and her clone sister KSP. They hit him with a prismatic spray (8th level spell) and when the dust clears he's been turned into a tree house castle thing that they all go live in. I stand by my earlier account.
And that's part of the weirdness, in the same book there's a story about how they got their pets, or a tour of Ponyville, then there's nuking the demon and going to live in his corpse (the greater pony empire has always been built on the bones of our enemies), or the time the kids dabbled in the dark arts of alchemy to force someone to fall in love with their teacher. WTF?
I was listening to it and had deja vue, I'd heard this song. It was an almost note-for-note homage (or rip off) of a Sondheim song from Sunday in the Park with George. Not only that, but it's a song about an artist balancing commercial demands with artistic vision. Pretty heady stuff for a show about pastel ponies.
Generally speaking, the show is about post education career aspirations. It's far from immediately obvious, but most of the characters begin the series with a fairly "pays the bills" job with dreams of making it big someplace and a lot of the character growth is taking strides towards those goals. In a lot of ways the show is along the lines of Friends or How I Met Your Mother; just with substantially more focus on the career growth and basically no emphasis on dating.
In some ways, it kind of loses its way as the characters achieve those goals. Eventually it pulls out of this decline though once it establishes its extended cast a little better and becomes less reliant on the core cast to carry the plot of an episode. It also just has the usual "every new episode has to compete against the very best of what came before it" issue any long running series encounters as well, but there's some great stuff in the newer episodes worth getting to.
Basically it is the same problem as with zombie films and books. You hit that high note of survival, which is the peak of achievement, and realise nothing is going to get any better.
