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I don’t have the BRB with me, but am playing a game and a rules question has come up-

Does a squadron of 3 Sentinels count as one drop (unit)?

Yes. They're one unit, just like a group of Guardsmen are one unit. That you can take a single sentinel doesn't matter in this case.

 davidgr33n wrote:
I don’t have the BRB with me, but am playing a game and a rules question has come up-

Does a squadron of 3 Sentinels count as one drop (unit)?

It depends on the individual unit.

For Sentinels, yes, they are one drop. They are a single unit, with a special deployment rule that splits them up into 3 after deployment. I am a dumb

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 davidgr33n wrote:
I don’t have the BRB with me, but am playing a game and a rules question has come up-

Does a squadron of 3 Sentinels count as one drop (unit)?

It depends on the individual unit.

For Sentinels, yes, they are one drop. They are a single unit, with a special deployment rule that splits them up into 3 after deployment.

It’s obvious with Hellhounds, Russes, Basilisks, etc, as they have the “Vehicle Squadron” ability, whereas the Sentinels don’t have that ability on their data sheets, but it does say that the unit contains 1 Sentinel and can include 1 or 2 additional Sentinels as part of the unit.

It is my argument that the 1, 2, or 3 Sentinels bought as one FA slot are still just one unit (one drop). My friend says that since it doesn’t have the aforementioned ability that they are individual drops.

 davidgr33n wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 davidgr33n wrote:
I don’t have the BRB with me, but am playing a game and a rules question has come up-

Does a squadron of 3 Sentinels count as one drop (unit)?

It depends on the individual unit.

For Sentinels, yes, they are one drop. They are a single unit, with a special deployment rule that splits them up into 3 after deployment.

It’s obvious with Hellhounds, Russes, Basilisks, etc, as they have the “Vehicle Squadron” ability, whereas the Sentinels don’t have that ability on their data sheets, but it does say that the unit contains 1 Sentinel and can include 1 or 2 additional Sentinels as part of the unit.

It is my argument that the 1, 2, or 3 Sentinels bought as one FA slot are still just one unit (one drop). My friend says that since it doesn’t have the aforementioned ability that they are individual drops.

They are one unit that cannot be split, they count as one drop, in the same way that a 30 strong ork boyz squad counts as a single unit and a single drop and not 30.

The Vehicle Squadron rule only serves to have the models act independently during the game, without it a unit is just a unit and must stay in coherency whether it consists of Sentinels or Guardsmen.

Again I get caught short when I don't take the time to research properly.

Yes, Sentinels are a normal squad no different to any infantry squad. I feel dumb for getting this wrong because there was another thread about sentinels and morale. Fun Fact: If you somehow lose two out of three Sentinels in one turn, the last one can be lost to a failed morale check. How bout dat!

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Again I get caught short when I don't take the time to research properly.

Yes, Sentinels are a normal squad no different to any infantry squad. I feel dumb for getting this wrong because there was another thread about sentinels and morale. Fun Fact: If you somehow lose two out of three Sentinels in one turn, the last one can be lost to a failed morale check. How bout dat!

Nuts to ever taking those...

M.

 davidgr33n wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 davidgr33n wrote:
I don’t have the BRB with me, but am playing a game and a rules question has come up-

Does a squadron of 3 Sentinels count as one drop (unit)?

It depends on the individual unit.

For Sentinels, yes, they are one drop. They are a single unit, with a special deployment rule that splits them up into 3 after deployment.

It’s obvious with Hellhounds, Russes, Basilisks, etc, as they have the “Vehicle Squadron” ability, whereas the Sentinels don’t have that ability on their data sheets, but it does say that the unit contains 1 Sentinel and can include 1 or 2 additional Sentinels as part of the unit.

It is my argument that the 1, 2, or 3 Sentinels bought as one FA slot are still just one unit (one drop). My friend says that since it doesn’t have the aforementioned ability that they are individual drops.

Since the sentinels don't have a special rule that states otherwise, they follow the normal rules for squads. So they are 1 drop and need to stay together for the entire game.

I think the simplest way to look at it is:

Did you use a single codex/index entry? Yes.

Did you occupy one spot in a detachment? Yes.

If so, you're one drop.

 Elbows wrote:
I think the simplest way to look at it is:

Did you use a single codex/index entry? Yes.

Did you occupy one spot in a detachment? Yes.

If so, you're one drop.

Not so simple. unfortunately. Take a Tactical squad, its a single codex entry, occupies one spot in a detachment, but if you combat squad it counts as two drops.

ItsPug wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I think the simplest way to look at it is:

Did you use a single codex/index entry? Yes.

Did you occupy one spot in a detachment? Yes.

If so, you're one drop.

Not so simple. unfortunately. Take a Tactical squad, its a single codex entry, occupies one spot in a detachment, but if you combat squad it counts as two drops.

That's due to an additional rule specific to certain units.

Technically all vehicle squadrons of more than one model are a single unit when purchased, some just have additional rules that split them into individual units when/after they are actually deployed.

Agreed, the Vehicle Squadron rule is identical to the Combat Squad rule except in that it is mandatory.

I cannot think off the top of my head where the 1 Detachment Slot = 1 Drop rule doesn't apply. If it does hold for all cases it'll be a handy little mnemonic for sure.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Agreed, the Vehicle Squadron rule is identical to the Combat Squad rule except in that it is mandatory.

I cannot think off the top of my head where the 1 Detachment Slot = 1 Drop rule doesn't apply. If it does hold for all cases it'll be a handy little mnemonic for sure.

Combat Squads allows you to split your Marine Squad "before any models are deployed", so each Combat Squad is one drop.
Vehicle Squadron forces you to split your Vehicle unit "the first time this unit is set up", so each Squadron is one drop, but from then on they're independent units and count as such for all purposes.

Good catch, one is pre deployment and one is post deployment.

I hadn't considered combat squadding etc. So I will change my opinion to simply start with that method...then apply special rules.

Good call.

nekooni wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Agreed, the Vehicle Squadron rule is identical to the Combat Squad rule except in that it is mandatory.

I cannot think off the top of my head where the 1 Detachment Slot = 1 Drop rule doesn't apply. If it does hold for all cases it'll be a handy little mnemonic for sure.

Combat Squads allows you to split your Marine Squad "before any models are deployed", so each Combat Squad is one drop.
Vehicle Squadron forces you to split your Vehicle unit "the first time this unit is set up", so each Squadron is one drop, but from then on they're independent units and count as such for all purposes.

Of course, if you put both combat squads in a dedicated transport, the drop of the transport and both squads would be only one drop, but normally it would be more. Good catch on the wording for combat squads!