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Lier, Belgium

Ok, just a quick question. If I have a unit with a 2+ armorsave in ruins, the save is still 2+ cause 1 always fails. But if the model gets shot with ap-1 weapons, what's the save my model must make? 2 or 3+

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Maryland, USA

2+.

M.

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 wallygator wrote:
Ok, just a quick question. If I have a unit with a 2+ armorsave in ruins, the save is still 2+ cause 1 always fails. But if the model gets shot with ap-1 weapons, what's the save my model must make? 2 or 3+
It's a 2+

Saves and other stats can be modified to 1+ or 0+ with no issue. It's just a 1 always fails anyway.

A unit with a 2+ save in cover shot by an AP-1 weapon needs a roll of 2+1-1 to pass the save, i.e. a 2+

Another example is Dark Eldar Succubi can potentially get a WS of 1+, which would allow them to hit on a 2+ even with -1 to hit.

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You still apply all modifiers as normal. In essence a natural roll of '1' is always a failure.

You could have a Terminator in cover with a spell on it granting an additional +1 to their armour, etc. and have a 0+ armour save. You still do the math.

If a meltagun hit this unit you would go from 0+ up to 4+, etc. However against something like a boltgun with no save modifier the unit would still fail its armour saves on a natural roll of '1'.
   
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West Yorkshire

To put context to infantryman's comment, you would take your base armour save then apply the modifiers, because you have a +1 to save for ruins but a -1 save due to AP, you are using your base armour save as the modifiers cancel each other out. if we were talking about a -2 AP in ruins however, this would be a 3+ armour save.

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Maryland, USA

Come to think - does AP reduce Cover? IDHMBWM but I don't remember coming across that, either.

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 Infantryman wrote:
Come to think - does AP reduce Cover? IDHMBWM but I don't remember coming across that, either.

M.
It doesn't interact with "cover" outside of the same modification to the save roll. All cover does is give a modifier to the save, the exact same way AP does.

+1 Mod from Cover will be canceled out by a -1 AP modifier from any sources.

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I suppose it's for the best; sufficiently strong weapons are going to bust through things like walls. Even if the round doesn't hit you, debris will.

What we need now is Cover at +1 and Heavy Cover at +2

M.

Codex: Soyuzki - A fluffy guidebook to my Astra Militarum subfaction. Now version 0.6!
Another way would be to simply slide the landraider sideways like a big slowed hovercraft full of eels. -pismakron
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Lier, Belgium

Ok, thanks for claring this out

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