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Fixture of Dakka





My headcanon for the birth of the Gods starts with the War in Heaven.

The Old Ones didn't like the Necrons. As we know, they decided to just destroy them. But they were resilient and crafty, so it wasn't that simple.

So they simply altered reality. All things should break down and decay over time. That way, the Necrons will die off, and the Old Ones can forget about them.

But the Necrons survived (Thanks, C'Tan. Jerks.).

So they got angry. And set their anger upon the Necrons and C'Tan. Blood (or their equivelent) shall flow. They altered reality to make it so.

But still, the Necrons fought it. Persistent, uppity lower lifeforms.

So the Old Ones figured they shouldn't just let things happen. They should plan and ensure their schemes came to fruition. They finally had to pay attention and scheme to thwart Necron schemes.

But their schemes to thwart schemes had to be adaptable. It had to change. Constantly. Eventally, it changed in a way the Old Ones didn't predict. It didn't *just* scheme against Necron schemes. It schemed against all schemes. Even itself.

And so Tzeech was no longer merely a servant of the Old Ones. It changed its brothers, too. The rage became Khorne. The decay became Nurgle. Unchained from their original purpose. Twisted and changed, thwarting the Old Ones plans.

And so the slaughter and decay no longer ignored the Old Ones. Wholly unexepected and unaware, the Old Ones themselves killed themselves. As Tzeech was their schemes, Khorne their sword, and Nurgle their poison. And so the Old Ones were destroyed.

(Slanesh came later, out of the passion for excess they had baked into their Eldar.)
   
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Connah's Quay, North Wales

The Old Ones didn't have any trouble with the Necrontyr until they met the C'tan and where reforged. Until then they where just a short lived, angry race that was no real threat to the Old Ones. So the Old Ones would've had no need to alter the whole of reality to ensure they died of decay.

But the basic idea that the Chaos Gods came about after the War in the Heavens is true. But it wasn't some great plan by the Old Ones, they didn't alter reality to allow it to happen, they just created too many races with powerful enough emotions to set the warp to just the right temperature for Chaos Gods to start to rise. Warp Entities existed before the Chaos Gods, it was just the galaxy wide war of the heavens that created enough emotion to make the previously calm warp into the place we know it as today.

 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

prep for mind fethery.

Once the gods entered the 40k universe, they had always existed in the 40k universe, given that the warp touches every reality that also means the Chaos Gods likely exist in every reality.

So what you are suggesting could have have happened in one of them.
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka





The Old Ones were masters of the Immaterium. Anything they did was altering Reality itself.
   
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Agile Revenant Titan






 Formosa wrote:
prep for mind fethery.

Once the gods entered the 40k universe, they had always existed in the 40k universe, given that the warp touches every reality that also means the Chaos Gods likely exist in every reality.

So what you are suggesting could have have happened in one of them.


I like this

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
The Old Ones didn't have any trouble with the Necrontyr until they met the C'tan and where reforged. Until then they where just a short lived, angry race that was no real threat to the Old Ones. So the Old Ones would've had no need to alter the whole of reality to ensure they died of decay.

But the basic idea that the Chaos Gods came about after the War in the Heavens is true. But it wasn't some great plan by the Old Ones, they didn't alter reality to allow it to happen, they just created too many races with powerful enough emotions to set the warp to just the right temperature for Chaos Gods to start to rise. Warp Entities existed before the Chaos Gods, it was just the galaxy wide war of the heavens that created enough emotion to make the previously calm warp into the place we know it as today.


While this is definitely the most likely explanation, there is a possibility that the Old Ones did alter reality to ensure they died of decay, simply to experiment on what happened if they did.

I've sort of got a bit of headcanon that both the Necrontyr and the Eldar were experiments of the Old Ones, and the reason the Necrontyr attacked the Old Ones wasn't because of the 'needed someone to fight' reason given in the Newcrons codex, but was actually because they looked over and saw that their fellow lab-rats the Eldar lived for centuries and reincarnated when they died, meanwhile they lived horribly short and painful lives.

They asked the Old Ones why they would treat their creations so cruelly and asked to be provided with the same boons that the favourite children the Eldar had been gifted with. The Old Ones looked at the Necrontyr in the same way a lab technician would look at a lab rat that asked if maybe they could be treated equally to the other half of the experiment. Angered by the response, they lashed out and attacked the Old Ones, sparking the War in Heaven.

It changes the Necrontyr from pathetic idiotic warlords squabbling between themselves to a sort of a 'Paradise Lost' rebelling against God style deal. It also throws some doubt on the Old Ones being benevolent, and the eldar being favoured children of the Old Ones (if they were little more than another experiment).

Check out may pan-Eldar projects http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/702683.page

Also my Rogue Trader-esque spaceport factions http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709686.page

Oh, and I've come up with a semi-expanded Shadow War idea and need some feedback! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/726439.page

Lastly I contribute to a blog too! http://objectivesecured.blogspot.co.uk/ Check it out! It's not just me  
   
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Fixture of Dakka





I love that headcanon.

It's now my headcanon too. But I see more "toyed around with" than "experimented on".
   
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Agile Revenant Titan






Bharring wrote:
I love that headcanon.

It's now my headcanon too. But I see more "toyed around with" than "experimented on".


Haha thanks

Oh yeah absolutely for beings as powerful as the Old Ones, 'toyed around with' and 'experimented on' was probably round about the same thing

Check out may pan-Eldar projects http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/702683.page

Also my Rogue Trader-esque spaceport factions http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709686.page

Oh, and I've come up with a semi-expanded Shadow War idea and need some feedback! https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/726439.page

Lastly I contribute to a blog too! http://objectivesecured.blogspot.co.uk/ Check it out! It's not just me  
   
 
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