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Diamond Reynolds, who live-streamed the bloody aftermath of last year’s police shooting of her boyfriend, Philando Castile, would receive $800,000 in a settlement announced on Tuesday by officials in St. Anthony, Minn.
The settlement, which still must be approved by a judge, seemed likely to be the final legal development in a case that led to huge protests and a closely watched manslaughter trial. Jerry Faust, the mayor of St. Anthony, said in a statement that the agreement “opens the door to continued healing within our community.”
The settlement includes $675,000 from St. Anthony as well as $125,000 from the nearby city of Roseville and an insurance fund.
Ms. Reynolds, who claimed emotional distress and false arrest, said the settlement confirmed that what she experienced that night “was wrong.” Mr. Castile was killed by a St. Anthony officer, and Ms. Reynolds was held for questioning afterward by Roseville officers.
I still occassionaly drive by the site of this event.
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This summer, St. Anthony agreed to pay a separate, nearly $3 million settlement to Mr. Castile’s estate. The city also reached a separation agreement with Officer Yanez and said he would not return to work there.
So now the tally is up to 3.8 million in settlements. That's some good justice there. I wonder the amount in settlements we'd have if Castile had pulled his gun out and greased both the officers?
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Probably zero. Justified self defence doesn't apply vs a badge.
Panicky, incompetent cops gunning down compliant citizens on camera tend to be expensive for the force.
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feeder wrote: Probably zero. Justified self defence doesn't apply vs a badge.
Panicky, incompetent cops gunning down compliant citizens on camera tend to be expensive for the force.
No where in the video can you see him being compliant. You can hear the LEO say several times don't reach for it before he shoots him though. Go ahead and keep thinking the LEO was just looking to murder someone.
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feeder wrote: Probably zero. Justified self defence doesn't apply vs a badge.
Panicky, incompetent cops gunning down compliant citizens on camera tend to be expensive for the force.
No where in the video can you see him being compliant. You can hear the LEO say several times don't reach for it before he shoots him though. Go ahead and keep thinking the LEO was just looking to murder someone.
feeder wrote: Probably zero. Justified self defence doesn't apply vs a badge.
Panicky, incompetent cops gunning down compliant citizens on camera tend to be expensive for the force.
No where in the video can you see him being compliant.
To be fair you can't see Castile being noncompliant either and Yanez's testimony to the contrary is horribly unconvincing. Calling the officer incompetent isn't the same thing as saying he was out to kill someone. The guy's entire testimony in his defense honestly was kind of laced with stupidity and frantic victim blaming. Panicky and maybe a little incompetent is a pretty fair assessment given the facts in evidence (and part of the reason, at least according to the jury, that they didn't convict him).
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feeder wrote: Probably zero. Justified self defence doesn't apply vs a badge.
Panicky, incompetent cops gunning down compliant citizens on camera tend to be expensive for the force.
No where in the video can you see him being compliant. You can hear the LEO say several times don't reach for it before he shoots him though. Go ahead and keep thinking the LEO was just looking to murder someone.
Did I say the cop was 'looking to murder someone'? No, I did not. No need to forge the narrative here, buds.
Yanez didn't "say" anything. He shouted a series of conflicting orders in a panicked manner, like the incompetent cop he was.
djones520 wrote:Hey, don't get in the way of his narrative.
It's not a narrative. The fact that Yanez is a gakky cop shielded by very lenient use of force laws was established at his trial.
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feeder wrote: Probably zero. Justified self defence doesn't apply vs a badge.
Panicky, incompetent cops gunning down compliant citizens on camera tend to be expensive for the force.
No where in the video can you see him being compliant. You can hear the LEO say several times don't reach for it before he shoots him though. Go ahead and keep thinking the LEO was just looking to murder someone.
Hey, don't get in the way of his narrative.
Could either one of you show me where in the video Mr. Castille broke the law?
Don't worry, I will wait. Take your time.
Also, in the video he informs the police he has a firearm on him and he is not reaching for it. That is what we like to call "being compliant with the law" as he has to do that. But you know, the narrative!
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Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
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Xenomancers wrote: Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
It took 8 seconds for Castile to go from a law abiding CCW holder to being shot seven times at point blank by a gak cop who clearly could not handle the responsibility his badge gave to him.
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My takeaway from this event is it's ok for a cop to fatally shoot someone during a routine traffic stop if the cop invokes the "muh feels!" defense.
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Xenomancers wrote: Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
That is how you rationalize murder, folks!
This guy wasn't even convicted of a lesser crime than murder by a jury of his peers. The event is tragic but could have easily been avoided by something called compliance. The one thing that most police shootings have in common is someone not being compliant. If you truly want people to stop getting shot in traffic stops - you would preach compliance. You just want to be a social justice warrior.
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Xenomancers wrote: Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
That is how you rationalize murder, folks!
This guy wasn't even convicted of a lesser crime than murder by a jury of his peers. The event is tragic but could have easily been avoided by something called compliance. The one thing that most police shootings have in common is someone not being compliant. If you truly want people to stop getting shot in traffic stops - you would preach compliance. You just want to be a social justice warrior.
He was compliant. He said in the video he had a weapon on him and he was not reaching for it. See, I know this because I watched the video again about 10-15 minutes ago.
Xenomancers wrote: Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
That is how you rationalize murder, folks!
This guy wasn't even convicted of a lesser crime than murder by a jury of his peers. The event is tragic but could have easily been avoided by something called compliance. The one thing that most police shootings have in common is someone not being compliant. If you truly want people to stop getting shot in traffic stops - you would preach compliance. You just want to be a social justice warrior.
He was compliant. He said in the video he had a weapon on him and he was not reaching for it. See, I know this because I watched the video again about 10-15 minutes ago.
Also, SJW really? Come on. Come on.
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Also, that is a huge payout for a justified shooting. If I recall, those two women who got lit up during the manhunt for the renagade cop in LA a couple of years back only got $4 million combined.
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Xenomancers wrote: Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
That is how you rationalize murder, folks!
This guy wasn't even convicted of a lesser crime than murder by a jury of his peers. The event is tragic but could have easily been avoided by something called compliance. The one thing that most police shootings have in common is someone not being compliant. If you truly want people to stop getting shot in traffic stops - you would preach compliance. You just want to be a social justice warrior.
He was compliant. He said in the video he had a weapon on him and he was not reaching for it. See, I know this because I watched the video again about 10-15 minutes ago.
Also, SJW really? Come on. Come on.
Lets be clear about the video evidence. We can't see Castile - only Yanez. So there is no way to know for sure what Castile is doing with his hands. We have to make an assumption here that Yanez is not a raving lunatic and just randomly deciding to shoot people up for whatever reason - there is no evidence of that. He saw him reaching for something and he repeated several commands for him to not do that. Never do we see Castiles hands go up (which we could have seen - and you would expect to see). Then he gets shot. Probably what happend was Castile decided to reach for his wallet and reasoned it was okay to do that - but you can't tell a cop you have a gun and reach for anything - that's probably up on the list of the dumbest possible thing you could do in a traffic stop.
Is it really surprising that I would call you a social justice warrior? You post on every thread that has anything to do with this subject. It wasn't ment to be offensive if you took it that way.
Xenomancers wrote: Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
That is how you rationalize murder, folks!
This guy wasn't even convicted of a lesser crime than murder by a jury of his peers. The event is tragic but could have easily been avoided by something called compliance. The one thing that most police shootings have in common is someone not being compliant. If you truly want people to stop getting shot in traffic stops - you would preach compliance. You just want to be a social justice warrior.
He was compliant. He said in the video he had a weapon on him and he was not reaching for it. See, I know this because I watched the video again about 10-15 minutes ago.
Also, SJW really? Come on. Come on.
Anyone have the link for the Dakka Bingo cards, I can't find it.
Also, that is a huge payout for a justified shooting. If I recall, those two women who got lit up during the manhunt for the renagade cop in LA a couple of years back only got $4 million combined.
PFFF payouts are a joke. The cost of a trial and negative exposure would cost more than that in the long run. They are forced to shell out the money. It's not about justice.
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Xenomancers wrote: Being irresponsible for your own life isn't actually a crime. Not looking both ways before you enter traffic is just downright stupid. As is not complying with a LEO pointing a gun at you.
That is how you rationalize murder, folks!
This guy wasn't even convicted of a lesser crime than murder by a jury of his peers. The event is tragic but could have easily been avoided by something called compliance. The one thing that most police shootings have in common is someone not being compliant. If you truly want people to stop getting shot in traffic stops - you would preach compliance. You just want to be a social justice warrior.
He was compliant. He said in the video he had a weapon on him and he was not reaching for it. See, I know this because I watched the video again about 10-15 minutes ago.
Also, SJW really? Come on. Come on.
Lets be clear about the video evidence. We can't see Castile - only Yanez. So there is no way to know for sure what Castile is doing with his hands. We have to make an assumption here that Yanez is not a raving lunatic and just randomly deciding to shoot people up for whatever reason - there is no evidence of that. He saw him reaching for something and he repeated several commands for him to not do that. Never do we see Castiles hands go up (which we could have seen - and you would expect to see). Then he gets shot. Probably what happend was Castile decided to reach for his wallet and reasoned it was okay to do that - but you can't tell a cop you have a gun and reach for anything - that's probably up on the list of the dumbest possible thing you could do in a traffic stop.
Oh, okay. So why do we have to make the assumption that Yanez is not a raving lunatic?
He saw him moving his hands, again no evidence since we cannot see him, but we do now know where he was moving them. Castille informs the police he is armed and then says he is not reaching for his weapon. Which would have satisfied the officers commands not to reach for it. Because clearly he was not. Why do we assume that Castille is a raving lunatic looking to draw his weapon on an officer in a routine traffic stop but we assume Yanez is a sane upstanding police officer just looking to get home to his wife and kids?
Horsegak and you know it. That is an awful argument. Informing the officer you have a gun is what you are supposed to do. The Officer can then know that you are armed. If Castile could miraculously draw his weapon from a sitting position on the Officer, with another officer on the other side of the car watching inside, and shoot the officer. Holy crap that would be crazy. I mean, Yanez jumped but the other officer did not. I kinda wonder if, for some reason, the other Officer WAS AWARE OF PROTOCOL AND NOT A JUMPY GAKKY COP.
Please. The whole term and connotation of Social Justice Warrior is meant to be offensive.
And really, the evidence does point towards the officer being panicked and firing without any real cause.
And this whole 'wasn't compliant' was just a bunch of bull regardless. Let's see how well your brain processes a whole bunch of rapid fire contradictory commands when you suddenly have a gun pointed at you. At some point anyone is going to be non compliant. And this is besides the point that not immediately doing whatever an officer tells you to do is should not be a capital offence.
skyth wrote:And sorry, but not having your brain instantly register exactly what the cop is shouting at you is not grounds for being gunned down.
Yeah, this type of stuff is just completely nuts. I, as a foreigner, wouldn't want to get into a traffic stop in the USA. I might not understand an officer's accent or misinterpret a word and that might cause my death? That's just a surreal justification for shooting someone. On the other hand i'm white so I might have a higher chance of not ending up with a trigger happy officer… yay me?
I've not seen the video but if someone started yelling at me to do things so armed, I'm not sure I would be able to react in an intelligent manner within eight seconds.
Here in Spain, when a cop stops you in your car, is the people the one that yells at them.
They'll fine you, but nobody is shoot for that.
But I assume this is another case of people siding with/agaisn't the police guy based in their personal bias and feelings towards the police as an institution instead of looking at the facts, what the judge decide, and understanding that one isn't obligue to defend/critizise someone because he is part of a group that one simpatizes/despise.
We have a ton of that kind of issues here in Spain. Violence is bad. Unless it is done by my team. Then its technically still bad, but justificable for X o Y.
I've not seen the video but if someone started yelling at me to do things so armed, I'm not sure I would be able to react in an intelligent manner within eight seconds.
Whats the "Glass em all" one referencing? The rest are great.
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Xenomancers wrote: The event is tragic but could have easily been avoided by something called compliance. The one thing that most police shootings have in common is someone not being compliant. If you truly want people to stop getting shot in traffic stops - you would preach compliance.
For this argument to be anything more than a cynical deflection, you would have to argue that the reason we see so many more shootings in the US is because the US is somehow unique in having non-compliant citizens. Which would be a staggeringly ridiculous thing to claim.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
skyth wrote:And sorry, but not having your brain instantly register exactly what the cop is shouting at you is not grounds for being gunned down.
Yeah, this type of stuff is just completely nuts. I, as a foreigner, wouldn't want to get into a traffic stop in the USA. I might not understand an officer's accent or misinterpret a word and that might cause my death? That's just a surreal justification for shooting someone. On the other hand i'm white so I might have a higher chance of not ending up with a trigger happy officer… yay me?
Hey, there are a plethora of videos that make Americans not want to encounter Russian cops. Also whites are more likely to get shot than Blacks, adjusting for variables. Twice as many whites get shot, but there are 4.5 times as many Whites. However, once adjusting for socioeconomics and crime rates whites are slightly more likely to take a bullet from a cop.
skyth wrote:And sorry, but not having your brain instantly register exactly what the cop is shouting at you is not grounds for being gunned down.
Yeah, this type of stuff is just completely nuts. I, as a foreigner, wouldn't want to get into a traffic stop in the USA. I might not understand an officer's accent or misinterpret a word and that might cause my death? That's just a surreal justification for shooting someone. On the other hand i'm white so I might have a higher chance of not ending up with a trigger happy officer… yay me?
Hey, there are a plethora of videos that make Americans not want to encounter Russian cops. Also whites are more likely to get shot than Blacks, adjusting for variables. Twice as many whites get shot, but there are 4.5 times as many Whites. However, once adjusting for socioeconomics and crime rates whites are slightly more likely to take a bullet from a cop.
Adjusting for socioeconomics and crime rates how? Without anything to back this up we are just left a population percentages, which do indicate disproportionate numbers of non 'white' people getting shot. Crime rates only work in as far as they are reported and the person behind it caught. The way you phrase it seems to indicate that one population group is more inclined to crime? How are you adjusting this?
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skyth wrote:And sorry, but not having your brain instantly register exactly what the cop is shouting at you is not grounds for being gunned down.
Yeah, this type of stuff is just completely nuts. I, as a foreigner, wouldn't want to get into a traffic stop in the USA. I might not understand an officer's accent or misinterpret a word and that might cause my death? That's just a surreal justification for shooting someone. On the other hand i'm white so I might have a higher chance of not ending up with a trigger happy officer… yay me?
Hey, there are a plethora of videos that make Americans not want to encounter Russian cops. Also whites are more likely to get shot than Blacks, adjusting for variables. Twice as many whites get shot, but there are 4.5 times as many Whites. However, once adjusting for socioeconomics and crime rates whites are slightly more likely to take a bullet from a cop.
Adjusting for socioeconomics and crime rates how? Without anything to back this up we are just left a population percentages, which do indicate disproportionate numbers of non 'white' people getting shot. Crime rates only work in as far as they are reported and the person behind it caught. The way you phrase it seems to indicate that one population group is more inclined to crime? How are you adjusting this?
Take a look at any FBI database. African Americans are WAY more likely to be the instigators of any crime, violent crime in specific. Note though, that I am not saying Blacks are inferior. As any social activist would tell you, that's without adjusting for sociologist economics. The simple fact is that the police spend a disproportionate amount of time in poor, minority neighborhoods which see a majority of violent crime. This population is also more likely to be violent with the police. According to FBI stats, adjusting for population, Blacks are four times as likely as Whites to shoot a police officer.
skyth wrote:And sorry, but not having your brain instantly register exactly what the cop is shouting at you is not grounds for being gunned down.
Yeah, this type of stuff is just completely nuts. I, as a foreigner, wouldn't want to get into a traffic stop in the USA. I might not understand an officer's accent or misinterpret a word and that might cause my death? That's just a surreal justification for shooting someone. On the other hand i'm white so I might have a higher chance of not ending up with a trigger happy officer… yay me?
Hey, there are a plethora of videos that make Americans not want to encounter Russian cops. Also whites are more likely to get shot than Blacks, adjusting for variables. Twice as many whites get shot, but there are 4.5 times as many Whites. However, once adjusting for socioeconomics and crime rates whites are slightly more likely to take a bullet from a cop.
Adjusting for socioeconomics and crime rates how? Without anything to back this up we are just left a population percentages, which do indicate disproportionate numbers of non 'white' people getting shot. Crime rates only work in as far as they are reported and the person behind it caught. The way you phrase it seems to indicate that one population group is more inclined to crime? How are you adjusting this?
Take a look at any FBI database. African Americans are WAY more likely to be the instigators of any crime, violent crime in specific. Note though, that I am not saying Blacks are inferior. As any social activist would tell you, that's without adjusting for sociologist economics. The simple fact is that the police spend a disproportionate amount of time in poor, minority neighborhoods which see a majority of violent crime. This population is also more likely to be violent with the police. According to FBI stats, adjusting for population, Blacks are four times as likely as Whites to shoot a police officer.
Way more likely of "any crime" is a gross overstatement looking at the 2016 numbers. Murder and manslaughter yes, other crimes are more in proportion with 'white' people comitting those crimes, while still higher.
Yes law enforcement spend a good deal of time in minority neighbourhoods because of things like racial profiling. Its kind of a vicious circle, poor socioeconomics lead to crime, leading like you say to a disproportionate amount of time and effort there by law enforcement, skewing arrest data. Not saying its invalid of course, just saying its incomplete. When looking at this data you only see those arrested, not those who got away. African Americans are twice as likely to be arrested for crimes than 'whites' who are arrested proportionately to their population size. Thats not way more in my book and its accompanied by a ton of notes in the margin about how the statistics have come into being. Furthermore these are only arrests, not convictions.
Also going over the 2016 stats. The chance of shooting a police officer is about 2.5 times likelier as a 'white' person. But again, when spending disproportionate amounts of time and effort policing black communities, it distorts statistics to an extent.
It still doesn't explain how 'whites' are disproportionately shot more than 'black' people after adjusting. Unless crime numbers mean that one group 'deserves' it less? Unless I'm mistaken the FBI doesn't keep track of police shootings, no less which police shootings were justified versus innocent people getting killed.
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