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Still unbalanced but fun enough for occasional games.
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Regular Dakkanaut





Just curious with Chapter Approved being released what peoples perceptions were in regards to 40k.

Personally i was initially loving 8th but hav not played a game since September. Going to give it another shot.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Springfield, VA

I put "Good. Playing Steady."

There are significant issues with the game ATM. They don't cripple my play schedule, upset me too much, or interfere with my group, but they exist and I won't deny it.

I hope the Updates will fix them, and when they do my opinion will change. But right now, I'm having fun & playing steadily while acknowledging that armies like Grey Knights & most index armies are struggling.
   
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot




On moon miranda.

I don't think the Chapter Approved is going to do much other than really disincentivize anything Forgeworld, and caused some minor rejiggling of a few netlists, and that's about it. The game still has massive balance issues and GW's response was typically incomprehensible, as is tradition. Overall the game is better than 7th, but not really in a better place than some previous editions. It's playable, but still has massive glaring issues.

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Dumpster fire. 8th is a monument to bad game design that only looks good because 7th was somehow even worse. But TBH my biggest complaint isn't even the balance issues. It's the complete lack of strategic depth, over-homogenization, and obsessive D6 rolling. I can fix balance issues by agreeing to tone down the most abusive lists if it's necessary to have an enjoyable game with someone. I can't fix the issues with the core rules without writing an entirely new game.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

Voted "Good. Playing steady".

The edition has his good amount of cheese, like everyone. Personally I have no problem with the core rules, I had never liked the system from 3rd to 7th. Too much stupid interactions with no real reason to be there. Theres some of those still, but things are much better.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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Clousseau




Unbalanced but fun for the occasional game. So long as you avoid tournament min/maxing, the game is entertaining to me.

It, like AOS, are more like board games to me though than actual wargames.

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Stubborn Prosecutor





I think this edition has been a good sign that GW is - slowly- moving into the right direction. I think it'll probably be a ninth edition before we see the type of balance otehr game companies are known for, but this edition has already done pretty well on reducing the amount of homeruling and custom tournament shenanigans needed to get stuff done.

I feel like for the first time you can attend a Warhammer game in another city and not need to be presented with some kind of custom ban list.

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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant






I said unbalanced but fun to play occasionally.
But that's only cause I work 14 straight so I can't really play non stop lol
   
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War Walker Pilot with Withering Fire




I really think that marking the "too much cheese" option is a sign of your local meta and fellow players much more than an indicator of 8th edition.

Good, playing steady here.
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

Still suffers from the same or similar issues as 7th but is fun enough to play every now and then, fully biased here but waiting for the Dark Angels codex to drop before I make my final judgement on whether to continue my 40k Angels or go full tard on my 30k ones.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




 auticus wrote:
Unbalanced but fun for the occasional game. So long as you avoid tournament min/maxing, the game is entertaining to me.

It, like AOS, are more like board games to me though than actual wargames.


This is pretty much where I'm at as well.

For me the trick has been branching out to different games. Before WFB died, GW was pretty much my hobby. The death of that game caused me dabble in other systems, some of which I've really fallen in love with. I've come back to enjoy what 40k has to offer, but I know If GW/40K was it for me it'd be driving me crazy again. As it stands I can enjoy the occasional game without worrying much about what it doesn't do well, because next week I know I'll be playing bolt action, x wing, or KoW to scratch a different itch.
   
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Eastern Fringe

 Peregrine wrote:
Dumpster fire. 8th is a monument to bad game design that only looks good because 7th was somehow even worse. But TBH my biggest complaint isn't even the balance issues. It's the complete lack of strategic depth, over-homogenization, and obsessive D6 rolling. I can fix balance issues by agreeing to tone down the most abusive lists if it's necessary to have an enjoyable game with someone. I can't fix the issues with the core rules without writing an entirely new game.


Go play another game and leave us in peace?

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Lord of the Fleet






Halifornia, Nova Scotia

 Hollow wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Dumpster fire. 8th is a monument to bad game design that only looks good because 7th was somehow even worse. But TBH my biggest complaint isn't even the balance issues. It's the complete lack of strategic depth, over-homogenization, and obsessive D6 rolling. I can fix balance issues by agreeing to tone down the most abusive lists if it's necessary to have an enjoyable game with someone. I can't fix the issues with the core rules without writing an entirely new game.


Go play another game and leave us in peace?


Go post somewhere else and leave us in peace?

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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard



UK

 Hollow wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Dumpster fire. 8th is a monument to bad game design that only looks good because 7th was somehow even worse. But TBH my biggest complaint isn't even the balance issues. It's the complete lack of strategic depth, over-homogenization, and obsessive D6 rolling. I can fix balance issues by agreeing to tone down the most abusive lists if it's necessary to have an enjoyable game with someone. I can't fix the issues with the core rules without writing an entirely new game.


Go play another game and leave us in peace?


If you don't want to hear opposing views don't go on a public forum.

He's as fully entitled to his view as you are to yours.

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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator






Hamburg

Fun to play. Depends.
''My tank chain can see your tank chain and so I can shoot you.'' Looks a bit dump.
The game has some gaps like cover and LoS. But I guess GW won't fix it anytime soon.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Springfield, VA

I actually don't have a problem with the lack of armour facings, firing arcs, and LOS being drawn from anywhere on the vehicle, because presumably, the vehicles are being manned by troopers who are trained in their use, and it's up to the individual crews and platoon commanders to micromanage the tanks.

This is a company scale game, and so I in the role of "company commander" should act like one. So, e.g., a unit is spending the entirety of its time behind a wall moving from point A to point B, in reality might be knocking holes in the wall to engage the enemy on the way, or popping up over a berm to pop back down again, or the like, in accordance with the tank commander's desires or even the Platoon Commander's. Generally, aside from "move to this area", a company commander is not going to micromanage targets, facings, firing positions, etc for all his tanks. He'll leave that to the crews and platoon leads.

Then it's also only fair that enemy AT weapons can shoot back at the model; after all, a good AT crew is going to wait until the tank knocks a hole in the wall or crests the berm to fire...

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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle





It's an enjoyable game. They got rid of a lot of bloat and I have the feeling that there are actual tactical decisions and positioning to do now, unlike in 6th/7th edition. Every unit type seems viable, vehicles feel like vehicles(meaning: my Rhino-tank is actually tougher than my plague marine), balance is on a good way and the scenarios and open war cards are awesome. It's still 40K, so you shouldn't take it overly serious but enjoy it for all the shiny explosions and warp surprises that can happen. Play narrative scenarios with as much matched play rules as you see fit and it's a really good game.
   
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Legendary Master of the Chapter






Somewhere between good enough and unbalanced.

it has issues. to swingy at times. but outside of the few problem children its not that bad.

and fine between people not trying to break the game

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Gig Harbor, WA

My friends and I are mostly still having fun with it. But we don't make crazy weird spam lists, and we try to keep it friendly.

The last "competitive" game I played at a store was miserable on the other hand.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






In a Trayzn pokeball

It's unbalanced, it's still fun and due to the demands of real life i only play occasionally, so while i selected that option I'd imagine it's with a different tone than the one in OP's mind.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The hobby is actually hating GW.
 iGuy91 wrote:
You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
 Elbows wrote:
You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote:
Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

hobojebus wrote:
 Hollow wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Dumpster fire. 8th is a monument to bad game design that only looks good because 7th was somehow even worse. But TBH my biggest complaint isn't even the balance issues. It's the complete lack of strategic depth, over-homogenization, and obsessive D6 rolling. I can fix balance issues by agreeing to tone down the most abusive lists if it's necessary to have an enjoyable game with someone. I can't fix the issues with the core rules without writing an entirely new game.


Go play another game and leave us in peace?


If you don't want to hear opposing views don't go on a public forum.

He's as fully entitled to his view as you are to yours.


I dont think he got the hypocrisy of what he said lol
   
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 Vaktathi wrote:
I don't think the Chapter Approved is going to do much other than really disincentivize anything Forgeworld, and caused some minor rejiggling of a few netlists, and that's about it. The game still has massive balance issues and GW's response was typically incomprehensible, as is tradition. Overall the game is better than 7th, but not really in a better place than some previous editions. It's playable, but still has massive glaring issues.

Chaos lists are going to need more than a "minor rejiggling" now that the malefic lord is no longer playable, and I can pretty much guarantee you every SM and CSM list is going to have a fire raptor or two in it now.
   
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions




Toronto, Ontario

I've played every edition from 2nd to 8th and this is the only one I hate. Every other edition, I enjoyed playing and I've played through and adapted to all the streamlining and changes they made along the way. I've looked forwards to the newness of every previous edition and have collected more than 10 different armies over the years. I was super excited for this edition, just like for all the others and I played tons when it came out. I discussed and tried to convince all the nay-Sayers to give it a chance and play around with it, but after many games, it slowly went from fun to boring to actually not enjoyable. And I played with people I enjoyed hanging out with and talking to during the game and people I played other editions with. I've gone so far as asked people who like the game to show me why, not trying to convince them to hate it too, but to show me the parts they love most so I can love my favourite game again. But it doesn't stick.

So now I play 30k. About half of my regular opponents now also almost exclusively play 30k. Those who like 8th, seem to really like it. I can't stand it. More power to you. Now that the Heresy is getting their own rules, live and let die. I'm selling my 40k armies (other than daemons) and if it comes down to sitting bored at home or playing a game of 40k and socializing, I'll have my 12th legion and 40k/FW codex

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 Arachnofiend wrote:
I can pretty much guarantee you every SM and CSM list is going to have a fire raptor or two in it now.

What sort of WAAC players are you surrounded by? Most people I've met have their established collections which they add to over the years, and that's what they can pull models from. Who has the money or the will to drop £220 on two new models just because they're good this 6 month point cycle?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The hobby is actually hating GW.
 iGuy91 wrote:
You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
 Elbows wrote:
You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote:
Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
 
   
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Loyal Necron Lychguard





 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
I can pretty much guarantee you every SM and CSM list is going to have a fire raptor or two in it now.

What sort of WAAC players are you surrounded by? Most people I've met have their established collections which they add to over the years, and that's what they can pull models from. Who has the money or the will to drop £220 on two new models just because they're good this 6 month point cycle?

I'm talking strictly about the big tournaments here, local metas can vary wildly. The chaos players in my meta weren't running 8 malefic lords either because all of the chaos players (including myself) found that strategy pretty insufferable outside of a strictly play-to-win environment like an ITC major.

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 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Who has the money or the will to drop £220 on two new models just because they're good this 6 month point cycle?


Plenty of people. $300 is not a massive amount of money in the context of adult hobbies.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot






Maryland, USA

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
I can pretty much guarantee you every SM and CSM list is going to have a fire raptor or two in it now.

What sort of WAAC players are you surrounded by? Most people I've met have their established collections which they add to over the years, and that's what they can pull models from. Who has the money or the will to drop £220 on two new models just because they're good this 6 month point cycle?


I do? Probably most adults who aren't living to the hilt? Hell even when I was a teenager I could have done that.

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Sentient Void

I have been doing customer surveys for over 20 years. The above survey uses the Excellent-Good-Neutral--Fair-Poor model. Whenever the top two responses fall below 75% it typically means there is a serious customer facing issue that needs to be addressed. Of course, I have never surveyed a company that is able to get people to throw money at whatever they produce like GW is able to do. Seriously, the $300 comment above sends chills down my spine. I sense Orkish mischief!

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Italy

 Peregrine wrote:
 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Who has the money or the will to drop £220 on two new models just because they're good this 6 month point cycle?


Plenty of people. $300 is not a massive amount of money in the context of adult hobbies.


Luckily no one in my area is party of that large groups of people

300$ are not a massive amount of money in the context of adult hobbies, I agree, I paid the equivalent of 600$ in a single day once, but I've bought a massive amount of new unsealed boxes with a significant discount price, not a single huge model. 300+ $ for a single model is not the normal.

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




I think the game is mediocre. Lots of things could be improved, and I hate the never ending rerolls.
Still, I have fun playing it. Partly because the minis and the settings are great, partly because the guys I play with are fun.
   
 
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