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So now the N&R post is locked and we've been banished back down here, lets try and get some discussion going.

We know they're doing the House gangs in 2018 in plastic, and we know there will be addon packs of weapons likely from FW to account for the (unfortunately necessarily) limited sprues. We know there are a few Hired Gun and Hangers On models coming, also almost certainly in resin. We know that their ambition is to bring the Outlanders content up to date as well, likely in 2019 if things go well over the next year.

Beyond that, what do you think they'll release? What do you *want* them to release?

For me personally, there are three major things, two of which I actually think are kind of necessary and a last one which is just for me:

1. Actual proper Juve models. Yes, you can just use the plastic kits, but in the new setup Juves are supposed to be part of our "regular cast" and they deserve dedicated models.

2. Female models for the other Houses(and any other gangs going forward). I understand why they didn't end up on the sprues even if it was disappointing, but even setting aside that putting out a model range in this day & age where the only female models are for the men-hating space-Amazons faction isn't really on, I want to see them for the sake of simple variety, as a source for conversions, and because in some cases just the basic concept is interesting - there were some vague rumours that female Goliath models might actually exist somewhere on a computer or as a test sculpt, and I want to see how they realised that idea given the extremes of the Goliath physique.

3. Brats. You can keep your xeno-Heretek loving Spyrers, I want my noble gang faction to be the Bullingdon Club with guns via 80's glam rock. All the lovely Jes Goodwin-style spiky hair and studs and skintight leather, none of the pointy-eared space-elf nonsense - what's not to love?

New Ratskins, Enforcers and new Wyrds would be nice!

I'm rather looking forward to what they do with the Delaque and Van Saar gangs - I think the Van Saar especially could be very interesting, with their new "poisoned by tech" thing - maybe more scrawny, hairless mutant freaks than the ponytailed neckbeard dune cosplayers they used to be

I echo the call for female gangers in other gangs.

The only one I can think that wouldn't need them would Goliath. The amount of steroids and stims involved there would likely make the difference purely a matter of having to look in their trousers. Also, genhancement and vat grown. If Vat Grown, are they functionally genderless? Hmmm.

Anyways.

I can shed a tiny bit of light on the Van Saar look. They're at least at concept stage, even though no artwork was shown off at the Open Day. They're scheduled after Orlock, so I suspect we'll be seeing them quite soon.

As for the look? GW Chap (who's name I can't remember I'm afraid. But is part of the Necromunda team) said it's somewhere between the Stilsuits of the originals, and interlocking armour playing of Infinity, all done in a 40k style.

I suspect we may also see things like limb and spine bracing on some Van Saar, to represent exoskeletal support? But that's only a suspicion.

Going forward? Here's my vague wishlist.....

1. More tiles. All the tiles. Tiiiiiillllleeesssssss. They a simple and straight forward way to expand the Zone Mortalis version - and of course support it. Community Wise, I'd hate to see the tunnel fighting of the boxed game become sneered at.

2. More Sector Mechanicus terrain. I've hope we'll see more, given the Plasma Things are currently of a unique height. More at that level, and we can get very interesting 3D boards out of it

3. Something akin to the Blood Bowl Almanac, including FAQ and Errata - but with that bit made available for download. This could include rejigged injury tables etc.

4. Totally with you on the Brat Gangs. So much more interesting in scope than Spyrers - and hopefully less attractive to TFG, He Who Ruins Campaigns. The concept of them zipping about on jetbikes excites me in ways I thought only a woman could. And frankly, I can't wait to kick a Brat's head in and steal said bike. Oh yes.

5. The blending of Confrontation and Necromunda to continue. I'm really, really enjoying it.

6. Gang Wars to be done when they've got the content for one. I'd much rather it becomes sporadic but essential than scheduled and contentless.

The first thing we need is options to fill out the existing weapons. There's currently only one sprue of Escher and one sprue of Goliaths.

This leads to the problem, for Escher, that while there's two plasma pistols and two autopistols they're all lefthanded and so there needs to be some converting done if you fancy dual wielding autopistols for example (something which sounds quite good with twin guns blazing). This is further compounded by the fact that only one of the two swords per sprue is right handed and the other left handed which means having 4 sword and pistol girls means either converting or using the less powerful (but more reliable) laspistol instead. The poses are also somewhat limited as all the arms are shaped so they only really fit in one position (and sometimes only on some of the torsos), which while it makes the sculpts look amazing means that they're all going to look somewhat similar to everybody elses. Another problem is the leader model and weaponry. The coat is partially sculpted to the arms of the leader which means that if you want to use the shock whip on a model without the coat, you can't. Same goes for the bolter/needler.

So for Escher I'd like to see the following:

More left and right handed options for the various weapons, preferably in different poses.
A shock whip and bolter/needler that don't have parts of the coat sculpted to them.
An alternate leader model with different options (Power Sword and Plasma Pistol seems popular).
More hair options.
Scabbarded and holstered weapons, such as swords, the various pistols and spare rifles (at 5 credits each even CC Escher are going to end up being given Lasguns for backup and flexibility).

Then there's the additional weapon options. At the moment most options are missing from the trading post, so hopefully this will also get rectified fairly quickly. But even before we get to standard imperial weapons that aren't currently available (Boltguns, Bolt Pistols, Flamers, Plasma Guns, Meltaguns etc.) there are a couple of weapons that are available that it would be nice to have official weapon options for such as the Grenade Launcher and Combat Shotgun.


The Goliath's are actually worse off. There's only one of each weapon on their sprue and it feels like there wasn't many options for the right hand (Grenade Launcher, Plasma/Strubber and Spudjacker) Most of the weapons are two handed and there's only one ordinary pistol per sprue. One weapon from their house list is actually missing (the Axe) and most of their weapons seem to be two handed. Again there's no holstered or spare weapons which could be used to add options to the Goliaths. This means that without heavy converting most Goliath gangs are going to end up looking very samey. Their house weapon list is also lacking in basic weaponry which doesn't help (no autoguns or standard shotguns). The Goliath models are probably even more limited in there poses than the Escher. The leader of house Goliath is also a bit indistinguishable from the rest of the gang.

So for Goliath:

More left and right handed options.
New poses.
A more distinctive leader model. Bigger mohawk, more armour, a cloak maybe. Something to make him stand out.
All the basic weapons and Close combat weapons that they're currently missing (lasgun, autogun, shotgun, axe).

I'm inclined to agree with Trafalgar Law on the limited poseability/ lack of options in the existing sprues - I'm assembling my Goliaths and I've had to do some somewhat involved conversions to manage WYSIWYG for a non-standard gang. The Goliath kit seems worse than the Escher one in terms of convertability/options - very limiting if you don't want to build the starter gang!

So upgrade packs for weapon options would be grand.

I would like to see the Ratskins come back too - they could be really cool.

Hoping we get new
Kal Jerico + Scabbs
Belladonna (the new version in the rulebook)
Enforcers or Arbites
Ogryn Bodyguard
Sniper (Ratling or Ranger)

Agreed on non Escher females. A wiry but weak sniper type guy or similar could be fun for Escher, or a special character that is not damaged and escaped from their territory.

The artwork that is in the books is fantastic and very inspirational and I hope she (apparently she is Rachel from Forgeworld according to FB) does much more and special characters that translate into models. Really looking forward to her take on other gangs, Scavies spyers and ratskins.

Firstly, has anyone compared the tiles to the Forge World Zone Mortalis tiles? The FW site says the ZM tiles are 12" across, but the tiles in Necromunda Unerhive are closer to 11.5"

As well as new tiles, overlays to add other environmental effects and the like would be interesting.

Miniatures-wise, yes, more wimmin. Escher with toned-down hairdos might just about work as Orlocks, but other than that, nah. I want to see more of the hired guns, and the non-combat guys like cooks, etc. Give us a Squat, Forge World. You know you want to!

I don't think we should see any female Goliaths.

Orlock/Van Saar/Delaque, yeah, they should be there 100%.

And Juve packs from FW, with, like, 4 different Juve minis for each gang with modular hands/weapons (like the Fanatic ranges they did for the Orlocks/Goliaths/Reds/Ratskins/Scavvies).

Sci-fi plague zombies would be nice too. As would the old special characters.

EDIT: A bestiary like in Outlanders & some sci-fi beasties would be nice to, like some gargantuan mutant sump spiders would be great.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


(like the Fanatic ranges they did for the Orlocks/Goliaths/Reds/Ratskins/Scavvies).

But ideally not terrible sculpts

I wouldn't mind seeing 'Sector Packs'. Kind of like the Bad Zone tiles, but perhaps with additional environmental rules?

Long as all the expansion rules are optional, they're just pleasing colour rather than mercenary business.

Terrible sculpts? The Reds are fantastic.

Enforcers....

There’s so much potential for some really cool models. I hope they don’t overdo it though...

I actually don't want female Goliaths either, same as I don't want male Eschers. Those two houses are kind of centered around those themes.

But house Orlock was imo the one of the main chances they had to add more plastic females and that ship has clearly sailed. So i'm not too worried about that anymore. I would rather the models stay with interchangeable bitz and plastic. The BB elven union team tried adding head swaps and boob plate to male bodies and it did not work out...so i'm gonna pass on more chicks in Necromunda for now unless they are resin.

Honestly my main issue with the game right now is actually the rules and how poorly thought out and organized they are. Having tried to play the game the other day it is not fun to learn, wasn't so or either of us new players. And it involves a lot of flipping through the pages, also not friendly to alcoholics with short term memory issues.

At the end of the day though I like house Cawdor a lot, so i'm holding out for them. There is something about medieval religious psychos that reminds me of the reasons I started liking 40k. Recently that gothic medieval style but futuristic has been lacking.

Today Andy Hoare is going to speak on twitch about the future of necromunda. Maybe he says something interesting or more information than in the warhammer fest.

If someone can watch it and post here...

That would be cool. Sadly, I'm usually at work when the Twitch stuff comes on!

Actually, if someone's going to watch it, how about making yourself useful and ask for non-Escher female gangers?

I'm pretty ambivalent on the other female ganger front, I like chunky characters and female models are typically slight. However, I would like a big fat matronly character perhaps equipped with a rolling pin :-p

I really like the Beastman bounty hunter and would like to see more models in this 'waifs and strays' range. Perhaps a spire dilettante with their lethal butler in the mould of the esteemable Willikins from The Night's Watch series!

 Kroem wrote:
I'm pretty ambivalent on the other female ganger front, I like chunky characters and female models are typically slight. However, I would like a big fat matronly character perhaps equipped with a rolling pin :-p

I really like the Beastman bounty hunter and would like to see more models in this 'waifs and strays' range. Perhaps a spire dilettante with their lethal butler in the mould of the esteemable Willikins from The Night's Watch series!

I mean that's exactly why I'm interested to see what this fabled female Goliath test sculpt looks like; whether in film or on the page or in art men tend to have a broader range of "acceptable" body types and levels of attractiveness than women do, which gives a creator access to a bigger range of easy "visual archetypes" and so tends to lead to a lot of the more interesting characters - especially "supporting" characters that tend to rely on visual/aesthetic cues to quickly establish themselves in the viewer's mind - being male. Which is a shame just for the sake of variety if nothing else - "like X, but Y" is how most good ideas get started, and closing off a lot of "like X, but female" lines of thought means we must surely miss out on a lot of interesting stuff.

Like, one of the big things in nuEscher is that they "peacock" a lot, they love to display their wealth(and the superiority it they believe it implies they have over other, less matriarchal Houses) with ostentatious displays of offworld finery and luxury. Now, if that hugely Medieval attitude hasn't led to at least a few Henry VIII-style morbidly-obese Escher leaders who "show off" their wealth by gorging themselves on offworld delicacies I'd be surprised - some bloated, gout-ridden matriarch wobbling around the underhive with the aid of bionics/suspensors/vatgrown extra muscles etc Baron Harkonnen-style sounds to me like it would fit right in to the setting, but it's significantly less likely to happen because we're not supposed to want to see women depicted in that way, which is a shame IMO.

I'm also not sure I agree with maleness actually being a defining characteristic of House Goliath. It's certainly the way a lot of folk think of them, likely due to the "battle of the sexes" presentation in their rivalry with Escher reinforced by the sausagefest that was the old model range Escher-aside, but I don't recall reading anything that actually stated they're *all* vat grown and *all* male, and there's certainly nothing that explicitly marginalises female Goliath as part of the house in the same way as there is with male Escher.

In terms of alternate ganger models, whilst I'm disappointed we're not getting mixed gender gangs from the outset, it's not to say they won't be released at a later date.

The biggest difference I can see with this edition is that a Gang can be absolutely any size - you simply select a few to form a Crew for a given encounter.

That to me means I'll be wanting greater model variety than ever before. So once they've got the basic Gangs out the way, that's when I truly expect property diversity.

And yes, a Big Bertha style Escher leader could be cool.

I'd love to see:

- More women for most gangs (and maybe just one for Goliaths)

- Multiple Juve models for each gang. Preferably a small multi-part kit with lots of options.

Those are my two big wants right now.

Andy Hoare is on Warhammer Live today discussing the Orlocks and the future of Necromunda. Get an exclusive glimpse at what's next for your gang (and beyond!)



I hope someone can post what he says


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Stat changes for the members compared to the legacy rules, the leader and champion are both cheaper but the juve and ganger got more expensive.

They don't appear to have much choice for weapons when starting out

Could you rename this topic to something more general? Like we could discuss all things Necromunda 2017, not just models and wishlists.

For example:

After having built a bunch of sector mechanicus, notice how weird they made the terrain in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmnNybAu6Tw

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

1. More tiles. All the tiles. Tiiiiiillllleeesssssss. They a simple and straight forward way to expand the Zone Mortalis version - and of course support it. Community Wise, I'd hate to see the tunnel fighting of the boxed game become sneered at.

Yes yes and yes to more tiles. Even if your not into Necromunda they are great alternative to using the FW tiles for 40k/HH Zone Mortalis games. I'd even be up for having the existing tiles available separately from the boxed game for more options and wear and tear replacements.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In terms of alternate ganger models, whilst I'm disappointed we're not getting mixed gender gangs from the outset, it's not to say they won't be released at a later date.

The biggest difference I can see with this edition is that a Gang can be absolutely any size - you simply select a few to form a Crew for a given encounter.

That to me means I'll be wanting greater model variety than ever before. So once they've got the basic Gangs out the way, that's when I truly expect property diversity.

And yes, a Big Bertha style Escher leader could be cool.

One of the old Mordheim Sisters of Sigmar Sisters Superior had that sort of build. Unlike every other model in the range



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Could you rename this topic to something more general? Like we could discuss all things Necromunda 2017, not just models and wishlists.

For example:

After having built a bunch of sector mechanicus, notice how weird they made the terrain in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmnNybAu6Tw

That's the same stuff as was used in the battle shown on the Warhammer TV Twitch channel the other week, as well as in December's White Dwarf. I think they just quickly laid out some pieces to display the Orlocks on, rather than grouping them together into a coherent layout.

I add another voice to the call for female non-Escher gangers. In addition, I would really like to see civilians*. Armourers, cooks, shopkeepers, mould farmers, mechanics. Necromunda is the big opportunity to show a slice of life of the Imperium in model form. They could easily be given roles in raids or bounty hunts, as valuable persons/innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire. I'd love a "civvies" plastic sprue, but I'd settle for resin.


*Civilian in underhive terms, I'm sure just about everybody carries a pistol or knife, even if they're not gangers proper.

 Haighus wrote:
I add another voice to the call for female non-Escher gangers. In addition, I would really like to see civilians*. Armourers, cooks, shopkeepers, mould farmers, mechanics. Necromunda is the big opportunity to show a slice of life of the Imperium in model form. They could easily be given roles in raids or bounty hunts, as valuable persons/innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire. I'd love a "civvies" plastic sprue, but I'd settle for resin.


*Civilian in underhive terms, I'm sure just about everybody carries a pistol or knife, even if they're not gangers proper.

Oh we're definitely getting those as "Hangers On", on the stream yesterday they were discussing the team's hope they'll be able to make a Ratling Cook with a Power Ladle & chef's hat Though sadly all they had to say about Juve models was "eventually" with what I thought was a strong implication that would be after most or all of the core House plastics are out, which is a real shame. Juves is exactly the sort of thing they should be putting out in the gaps between plastic releases to keep people engaged.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I add another voice to the call for female non-Escher gangers. In addition, I would really like to see civilians*. Armourers, cooks, shopkeepers, mould farmers, mechanics. Necromunda is the big opportunity to show a slice of life of the Imperium in model form. They could easily be given roles in raids or bounty hunts, as valuable persons/innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire. I'd love a "civvies" plastic sprue, but I'd settle for resin.


*Civilian in underhive terms, I'm sure just about everybody carries a pistol or knife, even if they're not gangers proper.

Oh we're definitely getting those as "Hangers On", on the stream yesterday they were discussing the team's hope they'll be able to make a Ratling Cook with a Power Ladle & chef's hat Though sadly all they had to say about Juve models was "eventually" with what I thought was a strong implication that would be after most or all of the core House plastics are out, which is a real shame. Juves is exactly the sort of thing they should be putting out in the gaps between plastic releases to keep people engaged.

Excellent, I look forward to seeing what crazy models they produce I'd also like to see civilian scatter terrain and vehicles, preferably in plastic.