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I found all the talk about Sanguinius very interesting, but as a IF player it left me wondering;

- How would i bring back each primarch (loyal or traitor) to 40k?
- How could it be done to keep to the current fluff dynamic?
- How could you create an interesting story line between said primarch and the current setting?

Im interested to know how you'd do it? with who? and for what effect?

Personally I think 1 Primarch is enough for the Imperium, keep the rest in 30k where they belong.
I wish they hadn't chosen Roboute though, imagine if it was Corax who had returned and was forced into a position of leadership over the Imperium that he wasn't comfortable with.

I think the deamon Primarchs returning is OK for the current storyline as part of the smash and grab Chaos are doing on the galaxy.
It would be interesting if Slanneesh was destroyed by Ynnead, and then Fulgrim exploited the situation to effectively make himself the fourth Chaos god.

I would bring back one more loyalist Primarch so that he and Roboute can take turns holding the conflict ball.

Roboute has had some time to get himself stuck in, and no-one is really standing up to him. There are lots of "this could boil over" tensions sitting their waiting though...

- Rejection of Primaris Marines by the older Marines ("they don't have any of our flaws, they aren't true Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Marines Malevolent" etc)

- Cawl setting himself up for a massive power grab for both the AdMech and himself personally

- Roboute's straight thinking vs 10,000 years of religious zeal

- Inquisition and other factions becoming suspicious of Roboute's effortless assumption of leadership of the Imperium, essentially being the new Emperor

- Reformation of the Legions in all but name - the Primaris are being bred fast and they are not sticking to the 1,000 Marines rule anymore. Plus, senior figures are being appointment to rule over huge numbers of chapters, starting with Dante, who Roboute essentially declared official master of all the Sons of Sanguinius.



As for who I would bring back, either Lion'el or Sanguinius for the delicious conflict between the two/three. Their interractions are great in the Imperium Secundus side-story of the HH series because while they are all well-meaning, they are all also deeply flaws and single-minded in a "their way is the right way" manner.

I don't want the Imperium to split into two factions, but some high-level infighting would be very welcome.

Patriarch Phyrx wrote:
I would bring back one more loyalist Primarch so that he and Roboute can take turns holding the conflict ball.

Roboute has had some time to get himself stuck in, and no-one is really standing up to him. There are lots of "this could boil over" tensions sitting their waiting though...

- Rejection of Primaris Marines by the older Marines ("they don't have any of our flaws, they aren't true Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Marines Malevolent" etc)

- Cawl setting himself up for a massive power grab for both the AdMech and himself personally

- Roboute's straight thinking vs 10,000 years of religious zeal

- Inquisition and other factions becoming suspicious of Roboute's effortless assumption of leadership of the Imperium, essentially being the new Emperor

- Reformation of the Legions in all but name - the Primaris are being bred fast and they are not sticking to the 1,000 Marines rule anymore. Plus, senior figures are being appointment to rule over huge numbers of chapters, starting with Dante, who Roboute essentially declared official master of all the Sons of Sanguinius.



As for who I would bring back, either Lion'el or Sanguinius for the delicious conflict between the two/three. Their interractions are great in the Imperium Secundus side-story of the HH series because while they are all well-meaning, they are all also deeply flaws and single-minded in a "their way is the right way" manner.

I don't want the Imperium to split into two factions, but some high-level infighting would be very welcome.

Yeah, from a story point of view, it would be best to bring back someone who was going to be in conflict with Bobby G, if not in open War, then simply in a strong disagreement.

I don’t think there’d be as much interest in say, Corax, Khan, or Vulkan coming back as there would be with say Russ, or the Lion. Hey will likely bring back one of the big chapters primarchs. I think am obvious choice would be Dorn, zealous, and with a ready made Legion to back him up in the form of the Black Templars.

Dark Angel fan here and I do not want The Lion to come back, my preferences would be

Vulkan
Khan
Corax
Alpharius

Basically one of the lesser seen primarchs, on the flip side I would also like to see.

New accended Abbadon with Primarch stats
Primarch equivs for

Orks
Tau
Nids
etc. etc.

i have to agree with Formosa, i think it would be better to bring back one of the lesser used primarchs, as i think it would give more leeway in the story.

having said that as much as id love to see vulkan back, and he's the easies to bring back i think he'd probably get on to well with guilliman.

i think Khan or Corax would be best. the current setting seems to fit khan well as he can crash from hunt to hunt, but if they want conflict with out all out war the coral would be better as he tried and failed at his own genetic manipulations so would likely have a strong reaction to the primaris

Vulkan. (Can we make this a poll?)

He is probably my favorite primarch, with Russ being a close second. His humanity is matched only by Sangy, and he is the easiest to bring back IMO.

I would like to see Dorn, Corax and Vulkan, they be compliant enuff w Roboute but all 3 would have differing ways of helping/conflict.

Vulkan would emerge from the lava on Nocturne and muster all of his sons and lead them on a crusade to reclaim his artefacts.

Dorn could come back via breaking out of Trayzn's toy collection and liberates a board of ancient & powerful weapons with him.

Corax will materialize out of the warp and basically time didn't pass for him, he pops out and thinks it's still 30k

The Lion. His alarm clock's snooze button finally stops functioning and he's forced to accept that it's indeed finally time to wake up.

We need Russ to balance out the Gulliman.

I'd like to see the Lion and Corvax and Dorn with Vulkan, but only in those pairs.

My Best case scenario would to have 2 declare for the Guliman's newer, slightly more hopeful imperium and 2 for the Russ's more traditional grimdark one. Than we could have a proper Imperial civil war.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
We need Russ to balance out the Gulliman.

I'd like to see the Lion and Corvax and Dorn with Vulkan, but only in those pairs.

My Best case scenario would to have 2 declare for the Guliman's newer, slightly more hopeful imperium and 2 for the Russ's more traditional grimdark one. Than we could have a proper Imperial civil war.

I sincerly doubt Russ would openly challange Gulliman, my read on the character is he'd be happy to let Gulliman know where he thought he was screwing up and they'd proably argue and debate in private.

BrianDavion wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
We need Russ to balance out the Gulliman.

I'd like to see the Lion and Corvax and Dorn with Vulkan, but only in those pairs.

My Best case scenario would to have 2 declare for the Guliman's newer, slightly more hopeful imperium and 2 for the Russ's more traditional grimdark one. Than we could have a proper Imperial civil war.

I sincerly doubt Russ would openly challange Gulliman, my read on the character is he'd be happy to let Gulliman know where he thought he was screwing up and they'd proably argue and debate in private.

Russ is loyal. But independent..

Yeah he would agree for greater good in public.

And debate freicely, questioning, challenge his brother intensely in private.

They respect each other ernough to not question there authority in open and deal with it in safety of private qauters well guarded from hearing.

Huge Iron Hands player here and as much I love them and their successors I DO NOT want Ferrus back. He is gone.

Who would I want back? My vote is Vulkan as I think they could make a amazing model for 40K.

I have loved the Night Lords since the 3.5 codex, but I would hate to see Kurze ever come back.

Much like Iron Hands, and Blood Angels, losing their primarch is a big part of their backstory. No amount of retcon would feel right. Just wake up the Emperor too at that point.

goundry wrote:
i have to agree with Formosa, i think it would be better to bring back one of the lesser used primarchs, as i think it would give more leeway in the story.

It would be interesting to see GW try and add to the "big 4" chapters by bringing back one of the smaller chapter's primarch; imagine seeing a chapter other than UM, DA,BA,SW on a starter set.

For me id love to see Dorn return having aged the 10 millenia in eye or as captive or whatever... but instead of having a Guilliman-esque transposition from 30k to 40k, have a Primarch who has aged and matured (maybe grown in power? nobody knows what truly happens to a 10 thousand year old primarch yet do they?) over the years (whether in captivity/exile/etc) return and have a completely different outlook on the imperium and its operation...


Leading to .... Codex: Sons of Dorn - covering IF, BT, CF

Part of the problem with bringing Dorn back is a lot of what Guilliman is actually doing with the Imperium is largely in step with what he himself would do: declare a crusade, buff up what chapters remained and make an aggressive push past the warp scar to prevent it from walling off half of the galaxy.

The only angle I could see if they brought him back now would be for him to believe Guilliman was making a power grab and to resist him in that front, or else fall in line.

Dorn and Guilliman are easily the least theme-obsessed of the loyalist primaries and thus both work well as reasonable authority figures and if there was to be an Imperial schism with two potentially 'correct' sides it would have to be split that way. I just don't see how they'd come into conflict now as Guilliman is doing the very things he last chastised Dorn for doing 10000 years prior.

BrianDavion wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
We need Russ to balance out the Gulliman.

I'd like to see the Lion and Corvax and Dorn with Vulkan, but only in those pairs.

My Best case scenario would to have 2 declare for the Guliman's newer, slightly more hopeful imperium and 2 for the Russ's more traditional grimdark one. Than we could have a proper Imperial civil war.

I sincerly doubt Russ would openly challange Gulliman, my read on the character is he'd be happy to let Gulliman know where he thought he was screwing up and they'd proably argue and debate in private.

The thing I liked about Russ was that he always did his own thing. He's defied Gulliman on multiple occasions - even going so far to tell him to f- off about the second founding. He was also the Emperor's personal attack dog and had no qualms about going to war with fellow primarchs

Moreover he is the most grimdark and traditionalist of the loyalist primarchs. I think he'd be far more at home in the traditional grimdark imperium than gulliman ever will. Even if it doesn't come to civil war I expect that the two would be constantly butting heads.

Can you imagine the Russ's reaction when gulliman sends him a list of instructions for increasing culture on fenris?


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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I have loved the Night Lords since the 3.5 codex, but I would hate to see Kurze ever come back.

Much like Iron Hands, and Blood Angels, losing their primarch is a big part of their backstory. No amount of retcon would feel right. Just wake up the Emperor too at that point.

It would feel like a big FU to Kurze. His vindication came from his death. Can you imagine how world shattering it would be to be resurrected after that?

We are going to get a titan-class Emperor model at some point. It's inevtible and it'll cause months of nerd rage.

Surely Vulkan makes the most sense. He's a Perpetual, so therefore he's got to be around here somewhere - even if, as War Of The Beast revealed, he's none too happy about it

Vulkan, Russ and Alpharius.
So we already got 2 traitor Primarchs, we need an equal amount of loyalist Primarchs I feel.
Vulkan is a great character and one of the most fitting Primarchs to come back, Russ has all kinds of epic actions and is a foil to Guilliman and Alpharius because let's face it, he probably never left in the first place. Alternatively, instead of Alpharius, Lorgar would also be pretty neat being Guilliman's biggest rival and all.

Primarchs absolutely not to bring back:
Sanguinius - he dead.
Ferrus Manus - he is even more dead.
Jaghatai Khan - who was this guy again? Barely any fluff about him, don't think anyone is missing him.
Rogal Dorn - Booooring. Also, dead. And if they bring him back they have to bring back Perty as well. Can't have Dorn without Perty.
Angron - Even more booooooooooooring. All slaughter and no play makes Angron a dull boy. Still, I do think he is the one we are going to see, since we already got the Primarchs dedicated to Tzeentch and Nurgle, so the fact we are also going to get the one dedicated to Khorne is pretty obvious. I'd rather see Lorgar though.

 ChargerIIC wrote:



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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I have loved the Night Lords since the 3.5 codex, but I would hate to see Kurze ever come back.

Much like Iron Hands, and Blood Angels, losing their primarch is a big part of their backstory. No amount of retcon would feel right. Just wake up the Emperor too at that point.

It would feel like a big FU to Kurze. His vindication came from his death. Can you imagine how world shattering it would be to be resurrected after that?

Even if it was as a daemon prince of Malal?

Yeah, it'd be bs if he'd somehow survived his beheading and has for some reason been hiding for the last 10k years... but wouldn't it be kind of fitting if Curze's certainty about his own fate damned him again?

Any of the remaining traitor primarchs
They show up outta the warp

The lion: some one finally checks the basement
Dorn: finally comes outta hiding
Khan: finally finished his rally with the dark eldar and heads home
Russ: gets done dicking around in the warp, saves iesha (eldar godess of fertility my head Canon of what I hope happens)
Vulkan: someone steals him back from that one clepto necron
Sanguinius: they find his dead body and leave him dead.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Dorn: finally comes outta hiding

Dorn is dead. Dead. Dead dead dead.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Dorn: finally comes outta hiding

Dorn is dead. Dead. Dead dead dead.

all that was recovered was his hand, it's possiable he's been kept in some chaos marine prison foir the past 10k years or something.

BrianDavion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Dorn: finally comes outta hiding

Dorn is dead. Dead. Dead dead dead.

all that was recovered was his hand, it's possiable he's been kept in some chaos marine prison foir the past 10k years or something.

After 10k years of anal rape by Emperor's Children... he'd be broken, and I'd be OK with that.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Dorn: finally comes outta hiding

Dorn is dead. Dead. Dead dead dead.

all that was recovered was his hand, it's possiable he's been kept in some chaos marine prison foir the past 10k years or something.

After 10k years of anal rape by Emperor's Children... he'd be broken, and I'd be OK with that.

All we know about his death is he was lost on a despoiler class Battleship named the Sword of Sacrilege, we don't know the Legion involved. If any (for all we know it was a heretic naval vessel and Rogal Dorn fell to a lucky Naval rating with a shot gun) In fact my gut feeling is if it's ever eistablished it WON'T be the Emperor's children simply because they already had the distinction of having wacked another Primarch. (Gulliman)

BrianDavion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Dorn: finally comes outta hiding

Dorn is dead. Dead. Dead dead dead.

all that was recovered was his hand, it's possiable he's been kept in some chaos marine prison foir the past 10k years or something.

After 10k years of anal rape by Emperor's Children... he'd be broken, and I'd be OK with that.

All we know about his death is he was lost on a despoiler class Battleship named the Sword of Sacrilege, we don't know the Legion involved. If any (for all we know it was a heretic naval vessel and Rogal Dorn fell to a lucky Naval rating with a shot gun) In fact my gut feeling is if it's ever eistablished it WON'T be the Emperor's children simply because they already had the distinction of having wacked another Primarch. (Gulliman)

I think Curze had a vision of him "being dragged down a dark corridor by a hundred murderers"... so maybe the night lords? but hell, if there was a ever a description of an easy to get out of situation for a demi god.... its that one.

And i too would hate for any of the dead ones to just re-appear, but i do like the idea of Kurze being introduced as some demon-primarch ascended after making a pact with Malal before his death? would be a great way to introduce another God and range of demons.

Its already been said, but yeah dorn never died he was lost on a ship, which honestly, 40k follows the Game of Thrones rule. Unless the die on screen, they are not dead. But sanguineus is def dead because we saw bird boy get slashed to death and his death was pivotal to the emperor killing Horus.

The ones that can come back:

Dorn
Johnson
Corax
Vulcan
Jaghatai

Who will GW bring back?

I think Johnson. I mean the other ones are going to have a chance, but geedubs specifically said he was just taking a nap for a reason.

Vulkan will come around to fight for the Imperium, albeit still a bit of a rogue element, and still a bit insane.
The Khan will finally return from the webway (I don't know, maybe he's been in the gladiator pits of Comorragh for ten millennia, maybe he's been chilling with the Harlequin, maybe he's just been killing things)
Corax will emerge from the eye of terror. It'll be really funny if in his timeframe it's only been a few years while outside ten thousand have passed.
Russ will do the same.
Even as an Imperial Fists player, I can't say whether or not I want Dorn to come back. But if he does I absolutely want him to argue with Guiliman about how much the Imperium's armies declined thanks to his Codex and other legislating.
I'm also not sure if I want the Lion back, but I'd want him to the same as Dorn.

And as a Blood Angels player it's actually important to me that Sanguinius stay dead. I wasn't his and Ferrus' deaths to have meaning.

I'm in the dorn camp is only because I think he's the one most likely to have a decent, not ridiculously ovet the top model.