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https://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/august-ames-depressed-death-tragic-last-texts/


I'll summarize. Saw this on google news yesterday morning and bothered me a bit. Ames posted on twitter warning whichever actress replaced her for a scene would be working with male talent that had previously done homosexual porn. She was immediately accused of being homophobic by a lot of people and even after attempting to explain her reasoning was continuously harassed. Ended it by tweeting "F (sic) y'all)." She hanged herself later on. Not sure of the exact timetable, but it was shortly after.

After her death was announced several of the harassers said they didn't care or were even happy about it. Some were a bit worse than that.

Anyway, her reasoning for not working with a male who had done gay porn was that they aren't subject to the same level of testing as heterosexual talent and as such there's apparently a greater risk of STD/I. But that's completely ignoring that a woman chooses who she sleeps with and it's her damn body. You can't force her to sleep with anyone. Even for a job. What the hell? It's really maddening for this to happen at the same time Time chose silence breakers for their person(s) of the year.

Just trying to make more people aware of this. I wasn't a fan of hers, I don't have anything against pornography, but I think the industry is terrifying and abusive. It's just sick that a 23 year old committed suicide and people are celebrating.

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Sickening... and feth those bullies.

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It's unfortunate that she's dead, as most deaths are, but let's not pretend that it wasn't homophobic. Repeating myths about gay men being a disease threat is not ok.

But that's completely ignoring that a woman chooses who she sleeps with and it's her damn body. You can't force her to sleep with anyone. Even for a job. What the hell?


You can't (morally) force her to have sex with anyone, even for a job. But that doesn't mean that you can't criticize her statements about the subject. Consider for a second someone who is a racist, and says "I won't sleep with those {racial slur}s, they aren't even human". Yes, they have a right to control of their body and it would obviously be wrong to force them to have sex with a person of their hated race, but are we supposed to refrain from calling them a racist because it has to do with sex? Of course not.

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 Peregrine wrote:
It's unfortunate that she's dead, as most deaths are, but let's not pretend that it wasn't homophobic. Repeating myths about gay men being a disease threat is not ok.

But that's completely ignoring that a woman chooses who she sleeps with and it's her damn body. You can't force her to sleep with anyone. Even for a job. What the hell?


You can't (morally) force her to have sex with anyone, even for a job. But that doesn't mean that you can't criticize her statements about the subject. Consider for a second someone who is a racist, and says "I won't sleep with those {racial slur}s, they aren't even human". Yes, they have a right to control of their body and it would obviously be wrong to force them to have sex with a person of their hated race, but are we supposed to refrain from calling them a racist because it has to do with sex? Of course not.


What I've read (and this is coming from people in the industry) is that there is no actual testing in gay porn and they only wear condoms. By comparison there is testing for heterosexual shoots. Pretty clear this poses a problem.


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 trexmeyer wrote:
What I've read (and this is coming from people in the industry) is that there is no actual testing in gay porn and they only wear condoms. By comparison there is testing for heterosexual shoots. Pretty clear this poses a problem.


Aside from the inaccuracy of the claim (testing in gay porn is a thing, even if it isn't as common as it should be), it doesn't matter what the testing policy there is because a man having sex with a woman would be involved in a heterosexual shoot and subject to that company's testing policy. If a male actor clears the tests then they aren't a risk just because they had sex with another man at some point in the past.

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 whembly wrote:
Those weren't constructive criticisms... those were malicious bullying.

O.o Dude... really?

Last I checked, there’s a word for when a woman is threatened and bullied into sex with someone she feels uncomfortable with, for any reason whatsoever...

Lemme provide a hint... a four letter word that starts with a letter "R".


Hint: there is a difference between "that's a homophobic thing to say" and "you must have sex with this man". Please pay attention to which of them I did and did not say, and did and did not endorse, before making accusations like that.

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Internet lets people to be sickening to other human beings free of charge. We are a long way from protecting people from cyber harassment as we do from real life harrassement.
Mix this to the porn industry, that is basically hollywood but without euphemisms, a industry that destroys people, young people, and its surprising theres not even more things like this.
Did you know, theres a wiki out there of porn actors and actress, but just with their real life information? Phone numver, name, names of parents and friends, direction of their family, Sexual diseases, etc... And this wiki is not made by fans. Is made by people that hate porn at a hateful level. All that information has been stolen by illegal means, so people can go an destroy those peoples lives.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Those weren't constructive criticisms... those were malicious bullying.

O.o Dude... really?

Last I checked, there’s a word for when a woman is threatened and bullied into sex with someone she feels uncomfortable with, for any reason whatsoever...

Lemme provide a hint... a four letter word that starts with a letter "R".


Hint: there is a difference between "that's a homophobic thing to say" and "you must have sex with this man". Please pay attention to which of them I did and did not say, and did and did not endorse, before making accusations like that.

Yes, you made that distinction.

Seems like a bit victim blaming there when you started the ..."but let's not pretend that it wasn't homophobic. Repeating myths about gay men being a disease threat is not ok. " speil.

If folks wanted to education her on *why* that's a misconception, have a constructive conversation.

Instead, she was shamed and relentlessly terrorized until she decided to hang herself.

Over a god damned tweet.



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Stop dishonestly misrepresenting what I did and did not say. Nowhere in there did I endorse bullying or celebrate the fact that she is dead.

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Shameful display. Whether she was being a bigot or not is irrelevant. You don’t drive someone to suicide and then be proud of it. Bigots are still people and you don’t pat yourself on the back because someone you don’t like is dead. Disgusting.

   
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 Peregrine wrote:
It's unfortunate that she's dead, as most deaths are, but let's not pretend that it wasn't homophobic. Repeating myths about gay men being a disease threat is not ok.

But that's completely ignoring that a woman chooses who she sleeps with and it's her damn body. You can't force her to sleep with anyone. Even for a job. What the hell?


You can't (morally) force her to have sex with anyone, even for a job. But that doesn't mean that you can't criticize her statements about the subject. Consider for a second someone who is a racist, and says "I won't sleep with those {racial slur}s, they aren't even human". Yes, they have a right to control of their body and it would obviously be wrong to force them to have sex with a person of their hated race, but are we supposed to refrain from calling them a racist because it has to do with sex? Of course not.


There is a massive difference between saying I won't sleep with "racial slur here" and "Hey, girl, heads up that your cohort did gay porn." One is a deliberate attack upon a person due to the color of their skin, the other is simply stating a fact. HIV/Syphilis/Herpes has been spread many times in the porn industry from what I understand over the decades, and even with modern government regulations, which you can get around, [see example of the documentary I mention later in the post]. So, given that she worked in the industry, wouldn't she likely have a lot more knowledge as to if it is true or not? Or how much caution one should exercise? I mean I've never done straight or gay porn, or porn of any kind for that matter, and I for one would want to be aware of such issues if I did. If that makes me homophobic, then so be it. People do have a right to be informed as to who they're working with, nowhere more so than the pornographic film industry. If you've never seen "Hot Girls Wanted" it's on Netflix and it will open your eyes to just how shady and untrustworthy a huge, and I mean huge segment of the Adult Film industry is.

What you have here is just another case of the PC police getting very upset because someone else has a different view counter to theirs, and in their normal fashion, they take to harassing her to the point that she commits suicide. The actions of this smaller group within the larger group also only serves to hurt their ideology as a whole. It's the same thing as when one of those White Supremacist nut jobs goes on a car or shooting rampage. Weak. Minded. People. It's very, very sad.

It's getting to the point where I actively dislike anyone who calls themselves Conservative or Liberal these days. More often than not, they've been shown to be disingenuous, weak-minded individuals with far too much time on their hands resulting in their need to play social engineer.
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
It's unfortunate that she's dead, as most deaths are, but let's not pretend that it wasn't homophobic. Repeating myths about gay men being a disease threat is not ok.

But that's completely ignoring that a woman chooses who she sleeps with and it's her damn body. You can't force her to sleep with anyone. Even for a job. What the hell?


You can't (morally) force her to have sex with anyone, even for a job. But that doesn't mean that you can't criticize her statements about the subject. Consider for a second someone who is a racist, and says "I won't sleep with those {racial slur}s, they aren't even human". Yes, they have a right to control of their body and it would obviously be wrong to force them to have sex with a person of their hated race, but are we supposed to refrain from calling them a racist because it has to do with sex? Of course not.


Except she didn't do it in anyway for hateful reasons. She listed very clear and concise reasons as to why performing with folks who are a part of the gay porn industry can be dangerous (and news flash, it can be). Being a highly involved member of the industry, she's very well positioned to understand the risks involved.

Seriously, this is victim blaming Peregrine. She made a business decision, to take measures to secure her own health. Trying to equate it to a racist is bullcrap. The people who attacked her so viciously that she felt suicide was preferable is bullcrap. No one. I repeat NO ONE, deserves that treatment, and trying to justify it like you are is disgusting.

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 whembly wrote:
Sickening... and feth those bullies.

R.I.P. Ames.


Nah dude, these are the situations that make bullies cool! Trust me, I learned it from here!

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JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.

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 Peregrine wrote:
JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.


I have to cautiously disagree with your statement that what she said was "wrong". You called the increased risk of HIV infections during intercourse with men who have sex with men a "myth", when, unfortunately, it can't be called a myth. Coming from the medical field and having had some contact with infectiology departments taking care of long-term HIV patients, official governmental guidelines simply show that this group in the general population DOES have an increased risk of being infected with HIV.

For example, in Germany there are roughly 70,000 HIV-positive patients, and 65% of these are homosexual men (or men having sex with men more generally). Drug users and people coming from high risk countries make up just 5% and 12% respectively in this statistic. These numbers come from an official guideline for medical doctors I linked below.

So, simply stating that this group in the population DOES have an increased risk of carrying HIV can neither be called wrong or a myth, it is an unfortunate fact that medical professionals are working on rectifying. As such, telling a colleague to be aware of this fact seems reasonable to an extent for me - maybe having done that in private would've been the more tactful choice, yes, but wrong and myth? No.




(https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Merkblaetter/Ratgeber_HIV_AIDS.html;jsessionid=0AD951AA634A760646C66966D6E5330F.2_cid390#doc2374480bodyText3)
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.


There's a degree of irony in you agreeing with the harassers when this gal did lesbian scenes.

Also, can you even be homophobic for refusing to have sex with a guy who is gay/has done gay scenes? Excluding her reasoning. Why does tolerance require you have to be willing to sleep with that person?

That strikes me as being slightly insane.


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 Witzkatz wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.



For example, in Germany there are roughly 70,000 HIV-positive patients, and 65% of these are homosexual men (or men having sex with men more generally). Drug users and people coming from high risk countries make up just 5% and 12% respectively in this statistic. These numbers come from an official guideline for medical doctors I linked below.

(https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Merkblaetter/Ratgeber_HIV_AIDS.html;jsessionid=0AD951AA634A760646C66966D6E5330F.2_cid390#doc2374480bodyText3)


And I've seen a similar number in that 70% of new HIV cases are homosexual males.

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Hmmm...

This is a tricky one.
However given thr nature of thr job and the nature of level of contact involved then her bring slightly picky who she works with is not beyond reasons.

Its sensible to be careful. A infection could badly harm her health, kill, and destroy any career. She balenced her risks, and chose a path. When the odds are so, then some choices must be considered carefully.

Maybe her reasons where inaccurate and maybe wrong, or not.

This is just OTT.
Just let people choose and I'm sure there's plenty of others who would film. That scene in her place.

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HIV/Aids is indeed a problem in the gay community. Simply making people aware of that fact is not homophobic at all, I feel. Never do gay stuff with anyone unless they can prove they are disease-free. That is very sound advice. I know someone who didn't heed it and he has HIV now.
The fact that some people would bully someone over simply giving a good and very important warning is just really sad on multiple levels.

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I've got to agree with the point Peregrine made above; any performer who's going to be in heterosexual movies would presumably be just as thoroughly screened as everyone else, so what's the big deal?

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I guess the "presumably" part is something that August Ames would probably have known a lot about in regards to her current employers, and maybe she wasn't putting a lot of faith in their protocols for theses cases. In the end, we don't know a lot of details here, I guess. Also it's very possible that Ames was not intimately knowledgeable about sensitivity and specificity of HIV detecting tests and arrays and might've been worried regardless - maybe irrationally, maybe not.

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I've got to agree with the point Peregrine made above; any performer who's going to be in heterosexual movies would presumably be just as thoroughly screened as everyone else, so what's the big deal?
Yeah, because the porn industry is well known as a decent, upstanding and trustworthy industry.

I read through the tweets Ames made and they don't look particularly homophobic to me. At worse maybe misguided, but then I'm not in the porn industry so I'm not going to make comments on whether they are or are not.


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 Peregrine wrote:
JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.
If you don't want to be accused of victim blaming it's best not to start a post with...

 Peregrine wrote:
It's unfortunate that she's dead, as most deaths are, but let's not pretend....


It's up there with "He was innocent and got shot by the police but he shouldn't have....", or "They got stabbed by thugs but they shouldn't have been walking through...." or "She got raped and that's unfortunate but she shouldn't have been acting like..."

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I'm more disturbed by the idea of a 23 year old killing themselves because people were mean on the Internet.

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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I'm more disturbed by the idea of a 23 year old killing themselves because people were mean on the Internet.
I guess you've never had much experience of depression then.

I think it'd be extremely easy for a person who's prone to even mild depression to get pushed close to or beyond suicide by people being mean to them on the internet when they might have been totally fine otherwise.

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 Witzkatz wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.


I have to cautiously disagree with your statement that what she said was "wrong". You called the increased risk of HIV infections during intercourse with men who have sex with men a "myth", when, unfortunately, it can't be called a myth. Coming from the medical field and having had some contact with infectiology departments taking care of long-term HIV patients, official governmental guidelines simply show that this group in the general population DOES have an increased risk of being infected with HIV.

For example, in Germany there are roughly 70,000 HIV-positive patients, and 65% of these are homosexual men (or men having sex with men more generally). Drug users and people coming from high risk countries make up just 5% and 12% respectively in this statistic. These numbers come from an official guideline for medical doctors I linked below.

So, simply stating that this group in the population DOES have an increased risk of carrying HIV can neither be called wrong or a myth, it is an unfortunate fact that medical professionals are working on rectifying. As such, telling a colleague to be aware of this fact seems reasonable to an extent for me - maybe having done that in private would've been the more tactful choice, yes, but wrong and myth? No.




(https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Merkblaetter/Ratgeber_HIV_AIDS.html;jsessionid=0AD951AA634A760646C66966D6E5330F.2_cid390#doc2374480bodyText3)


It's no different in the US. The vast majority of new cases each year for HIV is among the gay male community. 70% per the CDC, as of 2014. There is no shortage of stories of male gay actors being diagnosed with HIV, as well as male gay actors unknowingly transmitting the disease to multiple people, even after being tested.

There is no myth about gay males being a higher risk for giving you HIV. It's cold hard fact. Anyone who spends 20 seconds looking at CDC statistics will understand that.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I've got to agree with the point Peregrine made above; any performer who's going to be in heterosexual movies would presumably be just as thoroughly screened as everyone else, so what's the big deal?


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6505a3.htm?s_cid=mm6505a3_e

Male gay actor who tested negative gave the disease to 4 people within 2 weeks of the test. Testing is not a catch all, by any stretch of the imagination.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Witzkatz wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.


I have to cautiously disagree with your statement that what she said was "wrong". You called the increased risk of HIV infections during intercourse with men who have sex with men a "myth", when, unfortunately, it can't be called a myth. Coming from the medical field and having had some contact with infectiology departments taking care of long-term HIV patients, official governmental guidelines simply show that this group in the general population DOES have an increased risk of being infected with HIV.

For example, in Germany there are roughly 70,000 HIV-positive patients, and 65% of these are homosexual men (or men having sex with men more generally). Drug users and people coming from high risk countries make up just 5% and 12% respectively in this statistic. These numbers come from an official guideline for medical doctors I linked below.

So, simply stating that this group in the population DOES have an increased risk of carrying HIV can neither be called wrong or a myth, it is an unfortunate fact that medical professionals are working on rectifying. As such, telling a colleague to be aware of this fact seems reasonable to an extent for me - maybe having done that in private would've been the more tactful choice, yes, but wrong and myth? No.




(https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Merkblaetter/Ratgeber_HIV_AIDS.html;jsessionid=0AD951AA634A760646C66966D6E5330F.2_cid390#doc2374480bodyText3)


It's no different in the US. The vast majority of new cases each year for HIV is among the gay male community. 70% per the CDC, as of 2014. There is no shortage of stories of male gay actors being diagnosed with HIV, as well as male gay actors unknowingly transmitting the disease to multiple people, even after being tested.

There is no myth about gay males being a higher risk for giving you HIV. It's cold hard fact. Anyone who spends 20 seconds looking at CDC statistics will understand that.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I've got to agree with the point Peregrine made above; any performer who's going to be in heterosexual movies would presumably be just as thoroughly screened as everyone else, so what's the big deal?


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6505a3.htm?s_cid=mm6505a3_e

Male gay actor who tested negative gave the disease to 4 people within 2 weeks of the test. Testing is not a catch all, by any stretch of the imagination.


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 djones520 wrote:
 Witzkatz wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
JFC, is it really that hard to read what I actually wrote and not dishonestly misrepresent it? There is a huge difference between "what she said was wrong" and "therefore it was ok to bully her into suicide". Nowhere in there did I say anything approving of the people who harassed her to the point that she felt that death was a better option, so I would really appreciate it if people would stop pretending that I did.


I have to cautiously disagree with your statement that what she said was "wrong". You called the increased risk of HIV infections during intercourse with men who have sex with men a "myth", when, unfortunately, it can't be called a myth. Coming from the medical field and having had some contact with infectiology departments taking care of long-term HIV patients, official governmental guidelines simply show that this group in the general population DOES have an increased risk of being infected with HIV.

For example, in Germany there are roughly 70,000 HIV-positive patients, and 65% of these are homosexual men (or men having sex with men more generally). Drug users and people coming from high risk countries make up just 5% and 12% respectively in this statistic. These numbers come from an official guideline for medical doctors I linked below.

So, simply stating that this group in the population DOES have an increased risk of carrying HIV can neither be called wrong or a myth, it is an unfortunate fact that medical professionals are working on rectifying. As such, telling a colleague to be aware of this fact seems reasonable to an extent for me - maybe having done that in private would've been the more tactful choice, yes, but wrong and myth? No.




(https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Merkblaetter/Ratgeber_HIV_AIDS.html;jsessionid=0AD951AA634A760646C66966D6E5330F.2_cid390#doc2374480bodyText3)


It's no different in the US. The vast majority of new cases each year for HIV is among the gay male community. 70% per the CDC, as of 2014. There is no shortage of stories of male gay actors being diagnosed with HIV, as well as male gay actors unknowingly transmitting the disease to multiple people, even after being tested.

There is no myth about gay males being a higher risk for giving you HIV. It's cold hard fact. Anyone who spends 20 seconds looking at CDC statistics will understand that.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I've got to agree with the point Peregrine made above; any performer who's going to be in heterosexual movies would presumably be just as thoroughly screened as everyone else, so what's the big deal?


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6505a3.htm?s_cid=mm6505a3_e

Male gay actor who tested negative gave the disease to 4 people within 2 weeks of the test. Testing is not a catch all, by any stretch of the imagination.


This.

The whole story is sad.

It is interesting to watch the societal shift as formerly downtrodden groups become accepted and the same shaming, hateful tactics once used against them are employed by them or on their behalf by others.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I'm more disturbed by the idea of a 23 year old killing themselves because people were mean on the Internet.
I guess you've never had much experience of depression then.

I think it'd be extremely easy for a person who's prone to even mild depression to get pushed close to or beyond suicide by people being mean to them on the internet when they might have been totally fine otherwise.


I think it came out the woman in question had a hard child hood etx. She was not without past trauma and such.

She my not have been in the best place to begin with and this just played off older, deeper injuries.

Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
 
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