Could we get an old crone faction?

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**Niiai**

Old necrcrone. No personalaty, but we love them stil. Ruled by the c tan that are not imprisioned. Could we get a subfaction for them? What models can they use that are already existing? I would love to see this come back into the game. Especialy the old wraight models!

**BrianDavion**

Niiai wrote:
Old necrcrone. No personalaty, but we love them stil. Ruled by the c tan that are not imprisioned. Could we get a subfaction for them? What models can they use that are already existing? I would love to see this come back into the game. Especialy the old wraight models!

If you want a faceless personalityless hoard might I suggest Tyranids?

**Arachnofiend**

Old cron lore was boring, just a faceless enemy for the Imperium to deal with rather than a real faction of its own.

**Niiai**

The c'tan where cool.

**Azrael the Departed**

Niiai wrote:
The c'tan where cool.

IMO they really werent. They were just some over the top Mary sues that could/would destroy anything at a whim. The revamped Necrons are much more multi dimensional and complex.

**Iron_Captain**

Oldcrons were basically the same thing as Tyranids, except they were an ancient evil instead of an evil from another galaxy and that they would just kill you instead of consuming your biomass. They fulfilled exactly the same role in the narrative of 40k, so one of the two had to be changed.
I like the Newcrons. They actually have some depth to them.

**godardc**

Nothing stops you to use your necron army with this kind of background. While in hypersleep or whatever GW calls it, there was a malfunction (or maybe was it intentional ?) And the minds of all the lesser necrons were erased.
Only the lord kept memories etc
Then maybe this dynasty is the last one to be under c'tan rule, or maybe the c'tan shard was wakened before the necrons by intruders, and took controle of the tomb world ?
I'm confident you can justify a good oldcron army despite this abomination that is the newcron fluff.

**Niiai**

I like the fact that the C'tan where a very good bad guy. They seem to be an inherent super powerfull enteties that fits very well into a chuthulu mythis. Much better then Tyranids or Chaos. Aza'gorod the Nightbringer is such a big power of death that it has affected all mortal beings as they fear death. Think about this, no night bringer, no mortals would fear death. It is reasonable to assume that other C'tans also can affect mortals in other ways. It also taps into Carl Jungs idea of a collective uncosiusness. From this consiusness seeps the fear of death. At least how I read it. The Nightbringer is just not just death, he is the object where the consept of death comes from. If anybody have had any experiences with the Exalted roleplay game from White Wolf, it is how the primorials are concepts, not just an avatar of that concept.

The idea that the necrons inprissoned all of them is just a bit bad. I would love to hear more cannon about the C'tan that are stil out there.

**Unit1126PLL**

Definitely thought this was "old crone" army and imagined a bunch of harpies, old witches, and hags, the like.

Was disappointed.

**Skinflint Games**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Definitely thought this was "old crone" army and imagined a bunch of harpies, old witches, and hags, the like.

Was disappointed.

You could probably do a Sisters Of Battle army around that theme ;-)

**amazingturtles**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Definitely thought this was "old crone" army and imagined a bunch of harpies, old witches, and hags, the like.

Was disappointed.

That... would be amazing. i almost want to say "lead by Granny Weatherwax" but she's too good, 40k doesn't deserve her.

that said, my thinking was that this was about an eldar crone world army.

**EmpNortonII**

amazingturtles wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Definitely thought this was "old crone" army and imagined a bunch of harpies, old witches, and hags, the like.

Was disappointed.

That... would be amazing. i almost want to say "lead by Granny Weatherwax" but she's too good, 40k doesn't deserve her.

that said, my thinking was that this was about an eldar crone world army.

I thought the same thing.

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godardc wrote:
Nothing stops you to use your necron army with this kind of background. While in hypersleep or whatever GW calls it, there was a malfunction (or maybe was it intentional ?) And the minds of all the lesser necrons were erased.
Only the lord kept memories etc
Then maybe this dynasty is the last one to be under c'tan rule, or maybe the c'tan shard was wakened before the necrons by intruders, and took controle of the tomb world ?
I'm confident you can justify a good oldcron army despite this abomination that is the newcron fluff.

Trazyn stole all of the memories.

**Lance845**

The Maynarkh dynasty is basically old cron.

**pm713**

They don't really seem that way to me at all. How are they oldcrons?

**Lance845**

pm713 wrote:
They don't really seem that way to me at all. How are they oldcrons?

They were written in the IA book that came out specifically to give some of the old cron flavor back to the crons.

They are not interested in regaining their old bodys. Or claiming territory. Or ruleing over vast swathes of the galaxy. They are the dynasty that killed a C'tan and started the flayer virus. They are the dynasty that wants only to extiguish all life. They don't negotiate, or talk to other races. They mostly don't talk to the other dynastys and when they do they actually creep out most of the other necrons with how distant, cold, unfeeling, and callous they are.

You want a legion of faceless cold callous machines who march endlessly forward to extinguish all life, that cannot be reasoned with, and that have even killed their own gods and damn the consequences. Thats all the Maynarkh do.

**Niiai**

While that may apeal to some, I like the C'tan part, the puppet maater, not the puppet.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Well, here’s a thought.

We know that the base Warriors, Immortals etc have no real will, and are slaved to their masters.

Who’s to say the end of the war in heaven ended as they remember it? What better way to maintain a slave species than to utterly convince them that they’ve already defeated you?

And given the original background left just four complete C’Tan? Those Shards could easily be the equivalent of crumbs left on the dinner table - the merest sliver left behind to add to the illusion.

In short? Both backgrounds can easily co-exist.

**Captain Joystick**

An old crone faction would be awesome. They're bitter and angry and refuse to assist anyone unless they fix their fence for them, and march into battle throwing rocks and swinging purses.

But seriously though, I thought there already was an oldcron faction in Ward's first newcron codex? Something about the master computer of the tomb world malfunctioning and copying itself into the necrons under its care?

**pm713**

Lance845 wrote:
pm713 wrote:
They don't really seem that way to me at all. How are they oldcrons?

They were written in the IA book that came out specifically to give some of the old cron flavor back to the crons.

They are not interested in regaining their old bodys. Or claiming territory. Or ruleing over vast swathes of the galaxy. They are the dynasty that killed a C'tan and started the flayer virus. They are the dynasty that wants only to extiguish all life. They don't negotiate, or talk to other races. They mostly don't talk to the other dynastys and when they do they actually creep out most of the other necrons with how distant, cold, unfeeling, and callous they are.

You want a legion of faceless cold callous machines who march endlessly forward to extinguish all life, that cannot be reasoned with, and that have even killed their own gods and damn the consequences. Thats all the Maynarkh do.

From what I read their thing was being the super good weapon of the Silent King and killing a C'Tan is very counter oldcron. Seeing as oldcrons were mainly the mindless puppets of C'Tan marching forth to harvest the living not kill them all.

**Unit1126PLL**

Yeah part of the Oldcron fluff that's missing for me is the sort of "lovecraftian horror" of it all.

The old Necrons were servants of dark gods with insatiable hungers, who devoured stars in their spare time but to whom the souls of the living were a delicacy. Their robotic servants, souls long since consumed by their voracious gluttony, were sent not to kill, but to harvest the living for cattle. Each soul killed was a soul lost to the Warp, but if they could be rounded up, alive, then they could be devoured wholesale - and more generations could be born, again and again to infinity. All living things ultimately became nothing more than plants to be harvested by the scythe, and cultivated by deathless machines aeons old, who lacked sympathy, mercy, and even reason.

**pm713**

That is exactly what I loved about them. Newcrons just feel like heavily discounted Tomb Kings to me.

**craggy**

Old Crones would need cats stacked up on bases like Nurglings, right?

**Lance845**

Well the Maynarkhs "Dark Harvest" (the name of their campaign/stories) is all about their mass genocide of the living to sate their mindless bloodlust. It's because they killed the Flayer that even with some of their minds in tact they are all doing this mass culling for it's own sake instead of as some kind of means to an end.

Your simply replacing the servitude to an old god into doomed by an old god and otherwise they are just as lacking in sympathy, mercy, or reason.

On distant worlds, the stasis-crypts of the Maynarkh were opened, and the dynasty's true fate revealed. Thousands of Necrons awoke from their near-eternal slumber howling for the blood and flesh of the living, undone by the Curse of the Flayer. On every Tomb World, these insane automata gathered together as ravening packs of Flayed Ones, desperately seeking living flesh for their claws to carve, but bound to find none. Other warriors and Necrons quickly swelled their ranks, succumbing to the Curse in a matter of solar hours, days, weeks or months. However many thousands of Necron Warriors, Lychguards and other constructs emerged unscathed from their stasis-crypts and dutifully assembled, waiting for their Crypteks and Overlords to emerge. Yet without leadership, these warriors simply stood by, waiting for their masters to return to them.

The higher echelons of the Maynarkh appeared less affected by the Curse, their bloodlust as living creatures before the biotransference project leaving them perhaps a measure of immunity. As if sensing some strange kinship, the Curse of the Flayer had not entirely taken root. Some had indeed succumbed to it, but far more of the nobles and Crypteks now bore the Curse of the Flayer deeply embedded within their cybernetic consciousness. While the Curse did not control them, it had however corrupted the personality of many members of the Royal Courts: martial honour had been forgotten and simple and brutal extermination had replaced the glory of war. Awakening from the Great Sleep, many of the lesser Necron nobles recoiled from what they had become. The vague hope they had shared of perhaps returning to an existence of flesh and bone was irremediably crushed. Truly, they were lost, and many descended into delusion and madness. Some embraced the nihilistic tendencies and the hatred of all life they harboured within their cybernetic cortexes and gave themselves over for body modification, becoming Destroyers, while others embraced the carnage yet to come. The Maynarkh Dynasty truly stood on the brink of tearing itself apart, nearly falling into a spiral of self-destructive anarchy, until the last and most heavily protected of the stasis-crypts opened, releasing the Maynarkh's true ruler and Phaerakh : Xun'bakyr, the Mother of Oblivion. With her came the Maynarkh's most powerful and fearsome leaders, Maktlan Kutlakh the World Killer , Lazolt the Faceless, Nemesor of Tayroc, and Ixatothek, the Jackal Regent, Lord-Hunter of the Void. Together, these powerful individuals reasserted control over the Maynarkh Dynasty and kept it from destroying itself.

With brutal willpower, the ruling lords of the Maynarkh brought order to their undying legions and their reawakening Tomb Worlds. In the deepest, coldest and airless black vaults, a council was held, the severely corroded Triarch Praetorians standing before the ruler of the Maynarkh Dynasty and reporting what had occurred during the millions of Terran years since the Necrons had walked amongst the stars. The rulers of the Maynarkh were infuriated by the myriad of vermin-races that had prospered since they had entered the Great Sleep. It was roughly at that time that the powerful Overlords recognised that the command protocols implemented within their cortexes by the Silent King had worn off. Now free to act upon their own will and desire, the Maynarkh convened a second council, consulting their mightiest Chronomancers, who called upon their strange devices to pierce the veil of distance and time. Other Tomb Worlds of other Necron dynasties were discovered, still asleep or in the process of awakening, and the fires of ambition began to burn again in the cold machine eyes of the Maynarkh ruling council. Now was the time to act and take the supremacy that had been denied to them in the distant past. The neighbouring dynasties would be subjugated or destroyed and bound to their ultimate goal: genocide, the systematic and merciless destruction of all lifeforms that would oppose them. And the first to feel their wrath would be the nuisance identified as "Mankind". This then would not be an honorable war between two opponents of equal valour, but an extermination campaign on an interstellar scale, a dark harvest of the living whose flesh, bones and blood would sate the hunger of the afflicted children of the Maynarkh, the mortals serving as playthings and nourishment for the afflicted as a small mercy upon the damned, or so the Maynarkh told themselves.

**Unit1126PLL**

Right but it's just the Zombie Plague.

It was exactly the fact that the old C'tan were intact and existed as whole Gods that made it lovecraftian.

Otherwise it's "angry zombie-robots want to exterminate all life". Oh, yeah. Compelling. What part of that requires them to be robots again?

**Iron_Captain**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Yeah part of the Oldcron fluff that's missing for me is the sort of "lovecraftian horror" of it all.

The old Necrons were servants of dark gods with insatiable hungers, who devoured stars in their spare time but to whom the souls of the living were a delicacy. Their robotic servants, souls long since consumed by their voracious gluttony, were sent not to kill, but to harvest the living for cattle. Each soul killed was a soul lost to the Warp, but if they could be rounded up, alive, then they could be devoured wholesale - and more generations could be born, again and again to infinity. All living things ultimately became nothing more than plants to be harvested by the scythe, and cultivated by deathless machines aeons old, who lacked sympathy, mercy, and even reason.

So, they were exactly like the Tyranids? Except serving ancient dark gods like the followers of Chaos?
Yeah, newcrons fluff is a massive improvement.

**the_scotsman**

Niiai wrote:
Old necrcrone. No personalaty, but we love them stil. Ruled by the c tan that are not imprisioned. Could we get a subfaction for them? What models can they use that are already existing? I would love to see this come back into the game. Especialy the old wraight models!

I thought there was a fluff piece (IDK if its in the newest codex) about a tomb world that awoke fully automated, with no lords' consciousness preserved. The automatic systems of the tomb world still caused the necrons to awake and start conquering territory fully automated.

Seems to me if you want to fluff old-crons, you can just use that tomb world/a tomb world like it of your own designation. For a freed C'tan, just use the Transcendent Ctan unit.

**Resipsa131**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Oldcrons were basically the same thing as Tyranids, except they were an ancient evil instead of an evil from another galaxy and that they would just kill you instead of consuming your biomass. They fulfilled exactly the same role in the narrative of 40k, so one of the two had to be changed.
I like the Newcrons. They actually have some depth to them.

Whoa what makes the Tyranid evil, they're just OCD about recycling.

**Unit1126PLL**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Yeah part of the Oldcron fluff that's missing for me is the sort of "lovecraftian horror" of it all.

The old Necrons were servants of dark gods with insatiable hungers, who devoured stars in their spare time but to whom the souls of the living were a delicacy. Their robotic servants, souls long since consumed by their voracious gluttony, were sent not to kill, but to harvest the living for cattle. Each soul killed was a soul lost to the Warp, but if they could be rounded up, alive, then they could be devoured wholesale - and more generations could be born, again and again to infinity. All living things ultimately became nothing more than plants to be harvested by the scythe, and cultivated by deathless machines aeons old, who lacked sympathy, mercy, and even reason.

So, they were exactly like the Tyranids? Except serving ancient dark gods like the followers of Chaos?
Yeah, newcrons fluff is a massive improvement.

Yes, exactly like tyranids.

After all, the Tyranids are definitely split into several warring factions each with its own hive mind and not one whole organism.

Also the tyranids definitely won't kill you, and eat you, and move on without keeping you as cattle.

Also the tyranids definitely would force you to undergo biotransference, separating your soul from your consciousness just so they can eat the soul but leaving you horrifically alive...

definitely the same as tyranids.

**pm713**

Iron_Captain wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Yeah part of the Oldcron fluff that's missing for me is the sort of "lovecraftian horror" of it all.

The old Necrons were servants of dark gods with insatiable hungers, who devoured stars in their spare time but to whom the souls of the living were a delicacy. Their robotic servants, souls long since consumed by their voracious gluttony, were sent not to kill, but to harvest the living for cattle. Each soul killed was a soul lost to the Warp, but if they could be rounded up, alive, then they could be devoured wholesale - and more generations could be born, again and again to infinity. All living things ultimately became nothing more than plants to be harvested by the scythe, and cultivated by deathless machines aeons old, who lacked sympathy, mercy, and even reason.

So, they were exactly like the Tyranids? Except serving ancient dark gods like the followers of Chaos?
Yeah, newcrons fluff is a massive improvement.

That isn't really accurate. It's like saying newcrons are terrible because they're exactly the same as Eldar but without craftworlds.

**Iron_Captain**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Iron_Captain wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Yeah part of the Oldcron fluff that's missing for me is the sort of "lovecraftian horror" of it all.

The old Necrons were servants of dark gods with insatiable hungers, who devoured stars in their spare time but to whom the souls of the living were a delicacy. Their robotic servants, souls long since consumed by their voracious gluttony, were sent not to kill, but to harvest the living for cattle. Each soul killed was a soul lost to the Warp, but if they could be rounded up, alive, then they could be devoured wholesale - and more generations could be born, again and again to infinity. All living things ultimately became nothing more than plants to be harvested by the scythe, and cultivated by deathless machines aeons old, who lacked sympathy, mercy, and even reason.

So, they were exactly like the Tyranids? Except serving ancient dark gods like the followers of Chaos?
Yeah, newcrons fluff is a massive improvement.

Yes, exactly like tyranids.

After all, the Tyranids are definitely split into several warring factions each with its own hive mind and not one whole organism.

Also the tyranids definitely won't kill you, and eat you, and move on without keeping you as cattle.

Also the tyranids definitely would force you to undergo biotransference, separating your soul from your consciousness just so they can eat the soul but leaving you horrifically alive...

definitely the same as tyranids.

Pretty much yes. Tyranid Hive Fleets have been known to fight each other upon contact, and the only further differences are that the Oldcrons harvest your soul (something Chaos also already does) while that the Tyranids just harvest your biomass and that the Oldcrons serve lovecraftian entities from this galaxy while the Tyranids serve a lovecraftian entity from another galaxy.
They are not just similar, they are practically the same thing. Just one is mechanical and the other biological. Both are a virtually unstoppable omnicidal horde of mindless automatons that serve a lovecraftian entity from beyond time/space and that want your body to create new Necrons/Tyranids.

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pm713 wrote:
Iron_Captain wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Yeah part of the Oldcron fluff that's missing for me is the sort of "lovecraftian horror" of it all.

The old Necrons were servants of dark gods with insatiable hungers, who devoured stars in their spare time but to whom the souls of the living were a delicacy. Their robotic servants, souls long since consumed by their voracious gluttony, were sent not to kill, but to harvest the living for cattle. Each soul killed was a soul lost to the Warp, but if they could be rounded up, alive, then they could be devoured wholesale - and more generations could be born, again and again to infinity. All living things ultimately became nothing more than plants to be harvested by the scythe, and cultivated by deathless machines aeons old, who lacked sympathy, mercy, and even reason.

So, they were exactly like the Tyranids? Except serving ancient dark gods like the followers of Chaos?
Yeah, newcrons fluff is a massive improvement.

That isn't really accurate. It's like saying newcrons are terrible because they're exactly the same as Eldar but without craftworlds.

Newcrons are a massively different concept from Eldar. Literally the only themes they share is that both are ancient beyond reckoning and have advanced tech. Meanwhile, Oldcrons and Tyranids are exactly the same concept, just with a mechanical rather than biological theme.